Vote for the next President of The United States

Vote for the next President of The United States

  • Donald J. Trump

    Votes: 55 73.3%
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    Votes: 20 26.7%

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How many other countries vote for their leaders based on what the United States, it's people or any other world nation thinks about them? I can't think of a single one. If so, please give me a single example....

I'm not a big Trump fan. He wasn't my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or even 4th choice. However based on what I know about him, what I have seen him do and say, I will be voting for him in November. Hillary Clinton is a disaster! She and her husband are the most corrupt politicians I have seen in my lifetime! Her policies are in line with the socialist / Marxist dictator who currently resides as our president. Four more years of this kind of rule and I truly believe the United States will be putting the death nails in it's coffin.

Ability at diplomacy etc is a factor in most elections I know of in the free world . Of course in many countries the no 1 guy is not elected by the people but by parliament . However for example it can come up during elections that the likely prime minister is suspect in this area . An example would be ex pm Tony Abbot.
 

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I´m actually quite scared about the outcome of the election. No matter what it´s going to be a poor choice.
I´m not American yet I´ve spend in total 1 year in the US and can say that I have a relatively good knowledge about US politics (at least compared to other Europeans) and no matter the outcome (Trump or Clinton) I guess it will have a negative affect on global affairs.
But of course the Average Joe voter in the US is not really concerned about that, haha

Anyways, if I´d be eligible to vote I´d go with Sanders (probably due to the fact that he tends to represent the most "european values") but that doesn´t certainly happen cause the US is not ready for that (yet).
 

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Everyone is certainly voicing their concerns about Trump from outside of this country. What do you think of Hillary?
German media is quite biased, therefore there are not that many negative headlines about Clinton. If it were up to let say the German population I guess I´d be a landslide victory for Clinton.
 

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I'm curious about what are the"European values" you are talking about that the US is not ready for?
 

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German media is quite biased, therefore there are not that many negative headlines about Clinton. If it were up to let say the German population I guess I´d be a landslide victory for Clinton.
That's the problem, Europe is not hearing all the negative things about her and there is plenty of it.
 

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I'm curious about what are the"European values" you are talking about that the US is not ready for?

Oh boy that's a big question .
 

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I'm curious about what are the"European values" you are talking about that the US is not ready for?
Free education, sexual orientation rights (that doesn´t apply for Eastern Europe) , environmental awareness and so on...

The funny thing is that I´d be considered as quite liberal in the US, but here in Germany I´d tend to be seen as slightly conservative overall.
 

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Free education would be nice but it's another way for the government to tax us even more and do a piss poor job of administrating it. Not everybody goes to college and you think that they should be taxed more to pay for someone else to go? You say free education, it's not free, the money has to come from somewhere and it's coming out of your pocket. I prefer to spend my money how I see fit, not let the government spend it as they like. I'm curious, how much of your paycheck is lost to income tax?

Sexual orientation rights, hmm. Do you think we are a bunch of homophobes over here? I know several gay people and I have never heard them complain about being discriminated against. I have a gay married couple here in my own neighborhood, there're a great couple of guys. Yes there are people here that are don't believe homosexuality is a good thing and voice their opinion on the matter. That's the great thing about this country, they have the right to do so. In fact I am going to voice my opinion on the fact that I don't believe a transgender person should have the right to use the bathroom, shower or whatever for the sex they associate their self with. That basically gives me or any other guy the right to go into a women's bathroom or shower at the local gym. How can you prove I'm not transgender? I worry about my granddaughter.

I don't know where you get the idea that we are not environmentally aware.

As you can see we have our own values and just because they don't match up with yours doesn't make ours wrong.
 
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Free education would be nice but it's another way for the government to tax us even more and do a piss poor job of administrating it. Not everybody goes to college and you think that they should be taxed more to pay for someone else to go? You say free education, it's not free, the money has to come from somewhere and it's coming out of your pocket. I prefer to spend my money how I see fit, not let the government spend it as they like. I'm curious, how much of your paycheck is lost to income tax?

Sexual orientation rights, hmm. Do you think we are a bunch of homophobes over here? I know several gay people and I have never heard them complain about being discriminated against. I have a gay married couple here in my own neighborhood, there're a great couple of guys. Yes there are people here that are don't believe homosexuality is a good thing and voice their opinion on the matter. That's the great thing about this country, they have the right to do so. In fact I am going to voice my opinion on the fact that I don't believe a transgender person should have the right to use the bathroom, shower or whatever for the sex they associate their self with. That basically gives me or any other guy the right to go into a women's bathroom or shower at the local gym. How can you prove I'm not transgender? I worry about my granddaughter.

I don't know where you get the idea that we are not environmentally aware.

As you can see we have our own values and just because they don't match up with yours doesn't make ours wrong.

Like he said the US is not ready . Same with gun control . Medical care is beauty .

Anyway not to thread jack this thread is really not a discussion on US vs euro values . Nor do non US get a vote on the president . I would ask US citizens to look beyond the hype and hoopla and slogans .
 

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Couldn't find anyone who has ever heard of this guy I think that says something.

Just a guy from downunder who wrote this on a blog. No he's not famous.
 

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Just a guy from downunder who wrote this on a blog. No he's not famous.

It gives the impression he lives in the US and has for some time.
 

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So...what exactly are Trump and Clinton's policies for election?

I know Trump wants to build a wall, kick out Mexicans and ban all Muslims but that's about it! lol
 

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So...what exactly are Trump and Clinton's policies for election?

I know Trump wants to build a wall, kick out Mexicans and ban all Muslims but that's about it! lol
Not at all true.
 

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So...election manifestos for both candidates?
 

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Not at all true.

They forgot to list his tax proposal which would result in a $1.2 Trillion/year shortfall, balloon the debt by $12 Trillion in a decade, and result in adding $33 Trillion to the debt by 2036.

Dont worry though, last week he said the Fed can just print money, buyback the debt and effectively seek hyperinflation to eliminate it tanking the Us credit rating, our economy, and the world economy in the process...

We don't really know about his foreign policy ideas... Because they are so brilliant he doesn't want to tel anyone, but don't worry they're great... Oh he did say he wants Japan and South Korea to have nuclear weapons....

or Healthcare which varies from socialized health care to even more privatized, depends on the day....

Trump's policies are a nightmare ha both conservative and liber experts think are disasterous and quite indicative of his general lack of knowledge.
 

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They forgot to list his tax proposal which would result in a $1.2 Trillion/year shortfall, balloon the debt by $12 Trillion in a decade, and result in adding $33 Trillion to the debt by 2036.

Dont worry though, last week he said the Fed can just print money, buyback the debt and effectively seek hyperinflation to eliminate it tanking the Us credit rating, our economy, and the world economy in the process...

We don't really know about his foreign policy ideas... Because they are so brilliant he doesn't want to tel anyone, but don't worry they're great... Oh he did say he wants Japan and South Korea to have nuclear weapons....

or Healthcare which varies from socialized health care to even more privatized, depends on the day....

Trump's policies are a nightmare ha both conservative and liber experts think are disasterous and quite indicative of his general lack of knowledge.

That's a real worry.

What about Clinton?
 

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Don't forget that she is still under investigation by the FBI.
 

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Liberal, socialist, narcissist, power-hungry, dishonest, BIG government, corrupt, ...shall I continue???:bad:

Yep...but what about her election policies? How do they compare to Trump?