Her election policies are for her to get richer. She is amoral and a liar, proven many many times. You want someone like that running your country?
Vote for the next President of The United States
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Clinton has moved further left, but I believe it is mostly lip service. She is still a corporate democrat through and through and her current stances lean progressive but I don't believe her. She supports expanding the bloated ACA over universal healthcare. She supports the trade agreements. She is hawkish on foreign policy. She is more conservate on environmental issues. She does not support breaking up the big banks or reigning in wall street. She is left where convenient but at her core she isn't going to do a thing to combat income and wealth inequality or reign in the big corporations, banks, and wall street. She is more of the corrupt status quo where Trump is an unmitigated distaster.
She is barely liberal and mostly on social issues. She leans right on foreign policy and corporations. She most certainly is not socialist and isn't even progressive. Hell, twenty years ago she would have been a moderate republican if it wasn't for social issues, but as to being power hungry, dishonest, etc yeah that fits.
To be fair Trump's proposed Tax policies would put millions of extra dollars per year in his own pocket. The man is a compulsive liar and just as amoral as Clinton. I don't want either of them running the country, though Clinton won't crash the world economy in the process and at least will continue the statis quo which is desirable only comparted to Trump's lunacy.
Cavalier
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https://www.donaldjtrump.com/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/
There is more to all the hoopla and promises. You also need to take a hard look at who the real person is and if that is the type of person you want leading this country. Hillary is not that person in my mind.
jockinthebox
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Neither candidate offers a ligitimate and honest vision for the country, IMO. Their personal agendas are both closely-held secrets, neither of which is for the US's long nor short-term benefit. Their platforms might as well be the same..."It's ALL about ME"!
...'nuff said!
...'nuff said!
Cavalier
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jockinthebox
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burtybasset
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Everyone seems to get on Trumps case and label him as being racist, hating women etc. But as far as I can tell, it seems he wants to protect his citizens, bring work back inside the boarders and put illegals on the other side of them until they can apply/qualify for citizenship like everyone else. Doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me.
I don't know much about the rest of his policies and I only get my info from the net as I'm across the pond, but I like to see someone not bending over for the "progressive" liberals who try to label him as a "....ist" in order to shut him up or manipulate him for their own agenda.
I don't know much about the rest of his policies and I only get my info from the net as I'm across the pond, but I like to see someone not bending over for the "progressive" liberals who try to label him as a "....ist" in order to shut him up or manipulate him for their own agenda.
In politics, compromise is necessary to get ahead. All of you pure conservatives better start to rethink your position or you may cause the first women criminal to be elected president. I have been a Republican, conservative and political scientist my whole life of 69 years and believe Trump will give us a good chance for positive change. I love the Bush's and I voted for Romney, but come on gentlemen let's get the party unified and win this election. You can be a very positive force for others who look up to you. God bless!
jockinthebox
Retired Moderator, Member of the Month May 2015,
It's truly sad the direction our political parties here in the US have gone, particularly in the last 40 years. Since LBJ & Nixon, corruption and underhanded political & social agendas have bankrupted the morals of our government, leaving the populace with greedy candidates such as these left & right-wingers to dominate both domestic & world policies. It's outrageous that no one with genuine moral character and vision has a chance to become POTUS anymore. WE NEED POLITICAL REFORM to SURVIVE, LONG-TERM, more than anything else,imo.
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I'm pretty sure that wasn't the conclusion of the eight investigigations into the matter, including the couple that were Republican led and partisan in nature. People have been lost and embassies attacked under most presidents.
It isn't labeling him as racist or sexist, it's that he is often openly racist and sexist and there is a tendency among his supporters along that line. In fact I read a research study on the matter this morning that tracked the opinions of supporters of Tump and non Teump supporting Republicans, Trump supporters on average have statistically significant higher opinions of white people and significantly lower opinion of other races and religions than even most Republicans. His dog whistle racism and nativism speaks to those in this country that lean towards racism. Personally, among my social circle there is a very high correlation among how racist they are and how soon they became a Trump supporter. It's antecedotal but quite pronounced and readily apparent in my life and I've been forced to remove some from my life for their actions and outrageous things they believe and say.
Also, as someone across the pond you should be concerned when he says things like he won't take nuking Europe off the table.
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They called for help. Obama and Clinton watched it in real time. F-16 could have been there in 20 minutes buzzing the compound from our base in Italy and maybe scared a few off. 13 hours under attack. Then they told the loved ones of the slain it was because of a video while Hillarys own emails show she informed her daughter it was an attack that night.
When questioned by this video and what she told the loved ones of he dead she said THEY were mistaken, ie lying.Don't call a Gold Star mother or wife they are liars.
When questioned by this video and what she told the loved ones of he dead she said THEY were mistaken, ie lying.Don't call a Gold Star mother or wife they are liars.
Ahh, yes just violate the sovereign air space of another nation at the drop of a hat. And a buzzing F16, at night, isn't even that likely to be noticed let alone scare people off. Nice thought though, whatever fuels your rage...
Unless I'm mistaken there are differences in recollection among the family members in roughly a 50/50 split.
If this situation pisses you off, you've got to be irate over the Iraq War Bush and Cheney forced on us with falsified intelligence.... considering that unnecessary war cost thousands of lives and cost us over $2 Trillion.... and will cost $6Trillion after interest on the debt it created is factored in.
There's a big different between compromise and capitulation. Democrats never compromise! They whine and throw temper tantrums when they don't get what they want. RINO's (which basically run the GOP) always cave in, they never stand their ground and fight on principles. Which is why Obama has routinely been able to dictate through un-Constitutional executive orders. Their constituency loves it! It's just a matter of time before the country collapses under the weight of all this debt we have been shackled with. The naive, self absorbed sheep that voted for this ruler will be the first in the streets rioting! Just look at what's happening in Venezuela & Greece right now.
Buzz the F-16's 300 feet over Benghazi at supersonic speed; I don't care if we break every window in the town. They can bill us. Really? You worried about airspace as Americans are being killed?
Yo Zman - you should re-check your facts on that last statement. All of the intelligence that lead the Bush / Cheney decision to invade Iraq was from a variety of reliable sources. No body at the time disputed that the info was incorrect. Google and see how many speeches Bill Clinton, Hillary, John Kerry and several other prominent democrats made prior to Bush being elected, all saying that Saddam was developing WMD's and that we needed to take action soon to prevent him from using them. How about you give me $100 for every speech or lecture you find? If you can't find them.... let me know and I will find them for you!
Tamora
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It'll be interesting to see what conclusion The Chilcot Inquiry comes up with when it's finally published.
Oh and let's bring up the Iraq thing; how we were all lied to. Well maybe they lied a bit but remember this. They did indeed have WMD's. Oh I know you all think of WMD's as nukes but guess what? Chemical weapons can kill you just as faster and just as many. You guys must remember Chemical Ali; Saddam's brother. He specialized in gassing Kurds. Killed 10,000 in one day; not too bad huh?
Now according to an Iraqi civil rights group that was recognized by the U.N. Saddam killed an average of 86 innocent people a day during his rule.That's about 31,000 innocent people a year. Now if you had the power to stop that wouldn't you or should we have allowed a murderous dictator to kill his own people. I guess we should have, afterall he was only killing Arabs and who really cares about them.
Now according to an Iraqi civil rights group that was recognized by the U.N. Saddam killed an average of 86 innocent people a day during his rule.That's about 31,000 innocent people a year. Now if you had the power to stop that wouldn't you or should we have allowed a murderous dictator to kill his own people. I guess we should have, afterall he was only killing Arabs and who really cares about them.
The transgender thing boggles my mind. If anyone wants to have a sex change or dress and feel a certain way or fuck whoever...I don't care. But a dressing room // bathroom is designed for your physical gender irrespective of your sexual orientation or even your gender identity. If you have a cock it belongs in the mens room not in the ladies room. If you've had a "transition" from guy to girl then fine I'm okay with you changing there - but until then - please keep your dicks out of my daughter's bathroom I'm sorry.
