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[alienware83]

You Bernie supporters need to get a clue! The DNC is more corrupt than the GOP. The "super delegate" gig is rigged for Hillary.... Bernie has a NO chance of being nominated. If any of you believe that he does, how much would you like to bet $$$? If you really support socialism (aka - Marxism) to the extent that crazy Bernie advocates, then I suggest you move to Cuba, N. Korea or China. This country will never "feel the Bern"!
Get ready for TRUMP! I am predicting he will win in a landslide!

Please stop equating socialism and marxism like every other right winger who thinks that marxism, socialism, communism, nazism are the same thing. They arn't. Also, he proclaims to be a democratic socialist, something very different than a state socialist(like the countries you mentioned). Apparently anyone who wants to create a public healtcare option is a communist, its laughable.

Even though he proclaims to be a democratic socialist, he's not. He's actually been criticized about this by a few political scientists and actual socialist parties in the U.S.. He's more of a social democrat. Nordic countries and a lot of western countries in general are examples of social democracies.

No they arn't socialist, they are more like reformed capitalist or hybrid economies. They have free markets, they actually have free-er markets than we have here, but they also have a substantial welfare state and a government that intervenes to combat wealth inequality, as that is something that naturally occurs because of the hierarchical nature of capitalism.

Saying that we should create a public option for healtcare and colleges isn't really extreme for western society and it shouldn't be if we're the wealthiest country on earth. Germany has free college and a public healthcare option, they have a population of 80 million, and a great economy. They arn't socialists.

If Bernie was the Democratic candidate, Trump would absolutely lose by a landslide. Poll after poll has shown this. The only problem with Bernie's campaign is that he ever called himself a socialist, because not only is it not politically true, its also stupid to do so within the American political spectrum considering its the most misused and misunderstood word. He should have called himself a new dealer or a social democrat and he'd be much better off.

 

[akaTrex]

The only problem with Bernie's campaign is that he ever called himself a socialist, because not only is it not politically true, its also stupid to do so within the American political spectrum considering its the most misused and misunderstood word. He should have called himself a new dealer or a social democrat and he'd be much better off.

Sooo you are calling Bernie Sanders STUPID? I believe the man is Educated so by him calling himself a Socialist He Is WHAT? Stupid? A Lair? Taken out of Context? etc.!


Oh and . . .In an interview with CNBC’s John Harwood, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who is running for the Democratic presidential candidacy, said he could back a 90 percent top marginal tax rate.


Yep that's going to happen!

 

[Zman007]

You Bernie supporters need to get a clue! The DNC is more corrupt than the GOP. The "super delegate" gig is rigged for Hillary.... Bernie has a NO chance of being nominated. If any of you believe that he does, how much would you like to bet $$$? If you really support socialism (aka - Marxism) to the extent that crazy Bernie advocates, then I suggest you move to Cuba, N. Korea or China. This country will never "feel the Bern"!
Get ready for TRUMP! I am predicting he will win in a landslide!

Superdelegates do do indead rig things to the establishment, it is unfortunate how corrupt the whole system is. Getting a clue isn't required, I do not support the demonstrate sly failed policies of the GOP and will never support a pathological liar and authoritarian fascist.

Bernie is a Social Democrat, though he uses Democratic Socialist interchangeably as our understanding of the distinctions is pathetic. Social a Democracies are market based economie, i.e. Capitalism, that is structured to benefit the population as a whole, not just a select few. It is vastly different that socialism where the government owns the means of production. You need to think Getmany, Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, not Cuba and Venezuela. There is also a huge difference between Socialism and Communism.

if you are really ready for Trump, read some history about Hitler's rise to power with an objective eye. That is the most notable authoritarian fascist and their rise to power is comparable.

 

[Zman007]

Sooo you are calling Bernie Sanders STUPID? I believe the man is Educated so by him calling himself a Socialist He Is WHAT? Stupid? A Lair? Taken out of Context? etc.!


Oh and . . .In an interview with CNBC’s John Harwood, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), who is running for the Democratic presidential candidacy, said he could back a 90 percent top marginal tax rate.


Yep that's going to happen!

He uses Democratic Socialsm and Social Democracy interchangeable as so few people understand the difference and Republicnans have been calling regular Democrats Socialists for years devalue in the meaning in modern usage. He is technically a social democrat which is the aim, but Democratic Socialsm is moving from Capitalsm towards Socialsm. As Social Democracy is slightly further towards Socialsm than our Corporate Socialist Democracy he is in some sense technically a Democratic Socialst aiming to move us to a Social Democracy. Either way, he is not a Socialsit, as a Democratic Socialist is not a Socialist.

I believe your recollection of that interview is incorrect, he said he wouldn't go that far. If you look at his tax plan he does not raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 per year, so only the top 2% have their income taxes raised and it isn't anywhere near 90%, it's a move from 39.6% to 52%(Incomes over $10,000,000) which is substantially lower than at the beginning of Reagan's presidency. His healthcare plan technically adds a new tax, but is a significant net saving for almost all Americans except the wealthiest as they would no longer have to pay exorbitant private health insurance.

The 90% tax rate is a misinformation scare tactic and beneath civilized conversation.

 

[Tamora]

Just about every one of these political thread turns into derogatory comments against those with opposing views and ends up getting closed.

Please do not let opinions at the opposite end of the spectrum end up in a downward spiral of verbal diarrhea against the opposition.

Rise above it!

 

[closed260]

The "super delegate" gig is rigged for Hillary.... Bernie has a NO chance of being nominated.

Marlon: In short, it's not rigged... she's winning (by a clear if small margin). Hillary has more votes (actual citizens' votes), and has more pleged delegates. While in theory the "super delegates" could sway a primary, and I agree that's a bad thing. In this case, however, they are not doing that.

So sad that you have been duped into thinking this. How many others have been mislead? How many times have I been mislead? What if every politician who says a pure lie had to write out an apology 500 times (like Bart Simpson at the chalkboard)!

I think this discussion is in the wrong place. I think we should force all congressmen to become monks once they resign or are voted out. They live as wards of the state, in homeless shelters, and do public service for no pay. At the very least they should be barred from accepting salary/gifts/donations from any Industry that they voted on regulation for. No more revolving doors on K street

 

[Rasputine]

I'm done with this!

 

[akaTrex]

The 90% tax rate is a misinformation scare tactic and beneath civilized conversation.

The 90% tax rate is a misinformation scare tactic?


Bernie Sanders "When talking about President Dwight Eisenhower's administration, Sanders said, "I think the highest marginal tax rate was something like 90 percent."


CNBC's John Harwood then said, "It was 90. When you think about 90 percent, you don't think that's obviously too high."


Sanders replied, "No. What I think we've seen, and what frightens me again, when you have the top one-tenth of 1 percent owning almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. Does anybody think that that is the kind of economy this country should have? Do we think it's moral?"

 

[Zman007]

The 90% tax rate is a misinformation scare tactic?


Bernie Sanders "When talking about President Dwight Eisenhower's administration, Sanders said, "I think the highest marginal tax rate was something like 90 percent."


CNBC's John Harwood then said, "It was 90. When you think about 90 percent, you don't think that's obviously too high."


Sanders replied, "No. What I think we've seen, and what frightens me again, when you have the top one-tenth of 1 percent owning almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. Does anybody think that that is the kind of economy this country should have? Do we think it's moral?"

"No, what I think..."

Bernie has never advocated for a 90% top tax rate, his proposals top out at 52%. In the context of that interview he was changing the topic back to wealth and income inequality, not that 90% is reasonable. His response, in line with his stump speech and all of his rhetoric, is that the .1% having as much wealth as the bottom 90% is what frightens him.

Believe what you want I guess, but taking a "No," then a subject refocus back to his core message as proof he wants to raise taxes to 90% is grasping at straws. He has been quite clear and consistant about what his tax proposals are, I suggest you look them up and stop perpetuating the false 90% tax rate narrative.

 

[Rasputine]

I hate political threads period

 

[akaTrex]

How about the Vice President Candidates.

Anyone for the American Indian Elizabeth Warren?




Elizabeth Warren is not a citizen of the Cherokee Nation.
Elizabeth Warren is not enrolled in the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.
And Elizabeth Warren is not one of the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee.

 

[Zman007]

How about the Vice President Candidates.

Anyone for the American Indian Elizabeth Warren?


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Elizabeth Warren is not a citizen of the Cherokee Nation.
Elizabeth Warren is not enrolled in the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.
And Elizabeth Warren is not one of the United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee.

The house is a 3,700 sqft 2 Bed, 3.5 Bath home valued at $1.9 Million due to the land it sits on. It was purchased in 95 for $500,000. She ranks 24th among Senators with a net worth of $3.66 Million.

She did not score a Harvard gig due to claiming Native American status. The fact is, she was recruited and did not apply for that position at Harvard. The claim that she also only taught one class was unfounded. Facts, for example her application to Rutgers, support that she never applied for special minority consideration. Her Harvard salary was $192,550. Her coworkers and those who hired her were interviewed and stated it played no factor. Fried, the former U.S. solicitor General under Reagan who hired her at Harvard said that is played no role in her hiring and was never mentioned.

Her family story is that they have some Native American blood, something that has been difficult to confirm nor deny, but what is quite clear is that she never claimed Native American ancestry to gain any kind of minority benefits. You are correct she has no ties to any of those groups, nor would she likely qualify.

Please fact check next time before AV idea tally spreading misinformation? Now that you know that meme is utterly worthless I'm sure you'll practice intellectual integrity and no longer circulate it and point out how it is incorrect when you see it or similar claims in the future. Facts are our friends.

 

[CUSP82]

Okay Z I'm awake. She did claim Indian ancestry and it was mostly disproven. Why would she even bother to do that?

 

[CUSP82]

Elizabeth Warren said late Wednesday that she had listed herself as Native American at Harvard University and the University of Pennsylvania.

“At some point after I was hired by them, I … provided that information to the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard,” she said in a statement to the Boston Globe, acknowledging the designation for the first time. “My Native American heritage is part of who I am, I’m proud of it and I have been open about it.”


[h=2]Cherokee genealogist to Elizabeth Warren: “Your Native American issue has not been put to rest”[/h]




Posted by William A. Jacobson Friday, September 21, 2012 at 2:30pm
Cherokee genealogist Twila Barnes, whose group of researchers has done more than anyone to document Elizabeth Warren’s false claims to be Cherokee, was incensed at Warren’s continued insistence that she is Native American:

Let me make one thing clear. Your Native American issue has not been put to rest.
You say your “ancestry” played no roll in your hiring. That is not the only issue. You were listed as a minority in diversity reports. That is an issue. You admit you made the schools aware of your “heritage.” They counted you as a minority in their reports to the federal government when the criteria to list you as such had a two part requirement – you had to have both the ancestry and maintain tribal ties. Something you did or said led the two schools in question to believe you met those requirements despite the fact you didn’t….
You continue to skate around the issue by repeating the same story you heard growing up. You say you didn’t ask for documentation because you were a child. Excuse me, but you were not a child when you started “checking the box”; listing yourself in law directories as a minority; or were counted as a Native American for diversity reports.
You were instead, an adult, 37 years old, and a lawyer, when you professionally “became” Native American. To make matters worse, your mother was still alive. Maybe children don’t ask for documentation, but adult lawyers should….
As of today, you still refuse to release your personnel records from the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard Law School. If there is nothing to hide, why? …
No one really cares about your family or the stories you were told growing up, but we do care about your integrity. The “Cherokee flap” is important because it shows what you have done when you thought no one was watching. It is important because it shows what you have done when you thought you wouldn’t get caught. And it is important because it reveals you still think you can get away with it now that you have been caught.
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[CUSP82]

Michael Patrick Leahy explains how Warren repeated old lies about her Native American ancestry:

In repeating her old claim that her parents were “forced to elope” because her mother had both Delaware and Cherokee Native American ancestry, Warren retold a story Breitbart News debunked in June with an article that showed her parents were married in a religous ceremony twenty miles from their hometown. Subsequent reports showed that their hometown paper proudly announced the wedding within days after the ceremony was performed on January 4, 1932.
In the debate Thursday night, Professor Warren also claimed that “the people who hired me for my jobs have all made clear they didn’t even know about it until long after I was hired.” In fact, she admitted to the Boston Globe in May that she herself had told both Penn and Harvard she was a woman of color prior to her hiring as a full time professor by Harvard.
In addition, she self identified as a “woman of color” in an article published by the Harvard Women’s Law Journal in 1993, two years before she joined the Harvard Law School faculty as a tenured professor in 1995.


Okay so Warren is done; shall we move on to tax plans?

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[Rasputine]

Michael Patrick Leahy explains how Warren repeated old lies about her Native American ancestry:

In repeating her old claim that her parents were “forced to elope” because her mother had both Delaware and Cherokee Native American ancestry, Warren retold a story Breitbart News debunked in June with an article that showed her parents were married in a religous ceremony twenty miles from their hometown. Subsequent reports showed that their hometown paper proudly announced the wedding within days after the ceremony was performed on January 4, 1932.
In the debate Thursday night, Professor Warren also claimed that “the people who hired me for my jobs have all made clear they didn’t even know about it until long after I was hired.” In fact, she admitted to the Boston Globe in May that she herself had told both Penn and Harvard she was a woman of color prior to her hiring as a full time professor by Harvard.
In addition, she self identified as a “woman of color” in an article published by the Harvard Women’s Law Journal in 1993, two years before she joined the Harvard Law School faculty as a tenured professor in 1995.


Okay so Warren is done; shall we move on to tax plans?

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Thank you!

 

[Zman007]

And how many people are told by their family that they are part X? Family stories are notoriously difficult to verify. It never got throughly researched until she ran for Senate. Her belief in Native American ancestry did not give her a leg up, she never applied for special minority consideration, and to my knowledge Harvard listing her as a minority Professor was done without consultation. Interesting, I can provide the quotes from fried who hired her at Harvard that disagree with that post.

Any comment on the gross inaccuracies I pointed out?

Also, I'm still waiting to continue the discussion on Healthcare and Tax plans.

 

[Rasputine]

You like to go off topic,don't you and you always have to prove you are right about everything.

 

[CUSP82]

Z you are just making an excuse. She's a smart woman and she knows what she did.

Okay back to healthcare; you want universal medicare correct?

 

[Zman007]

You like to go off topic,don't you and you always have to prove you are right about everything.

I've been trying very hard to stay on topic and have not been the one Gish Galloping all over this thread.

Z you are just making an excuse. She's a smart woman and she knows what she did.

Okay back to healthcare; you want universal medicare correct?

She is a smart woman and I am not making excuses. A bunch of claims were made that don't hold water.

Yes, I would prefer a universal healthcare system. If you missed it I responded in depth to your earlier post.