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[CUSP82]

So find me some evidence on Trump. He gets things done and that's what we need.

[h=1].y.c. Ice Rink[/h][h=5]By Rick Lyman, Inquirer Staff Writer[/h]Posted: November 01, 1986

NEW YORK — Score one for the Trumpster.
Back in June, when the city's bungled, six-year effort to renovate the Wollman Ice-Skating Rink in Central Park was $12 million over budget with no end in sight, real-estate tycoon Donald Trump stepped forward.
Just give the project to me, he said, and I'll finish the rink by Christmas. This Christmas. And for free.
"I have total confidence that we will be able to do it," Trump said at the time. "I am going on record as saying that I will not be embarrassed."


Yesterday morning, in a gala ceremony down in the sunken, tree-shrouded gulch just off Central Park South, Trump unveiled his completed rink - the ''largest man-made skating rink in the world," glistening with a mirror- perfect sheath of virgin ice.
He was two months ahead of schedule, and $750,000 under budget.

 

[Zman007]

Talking about pharmaceutical companies, out of curiosity, how much do you guys in the US pay for prescription medicines?

By far the highest cost in the world. 1 in 5 Americans cannot afford to fill their prescriptions. Here is some data from 2013, current prices for prescriptions are even higher as name brand prescriptions in the US have doubled since 2011. There is a terrible revolving door between the FDA and the Pharmaceutical industry and lobbyists who are afforded extreme levels of protection and legislation that allows them to charge obscene amounts for drugs. We've literally seen companies buy up rights to medication and immediately raise the price by a couple thousand percent overnight.

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[Cavalier]

Talking about pharmaceutical companies, out of curiosity, how much do you guys in the US pay for prescription medicines?

It all depends on the insurance you have, the medication, if a generic is available and so on. Most of the medication I take cost me as low a $1 up to about $15. If no generic is available it can be quite expensive.

 

[Zman007]

This is one of my favorites.

The Trump National Golf Club in Westchester County, New York

Trump bought the property for $8 Million, then promptly spend $45million in improvements. What does he claim the value of this property is for tax purposes to the Town of Ossining? $1.35 Million. On his FEC filing Trump claims this property has a value of $50+Million.

As a business man, can you tell me how you spend $45million on an $8million dollar property and manage to devalue it by $6.5million for tax purposes and still claim it is worth over $50million? I never thought building a world class golf course and putting a 75,000 square foot clubhouse on it would devalue it so much....

This is pretty cut and dry, Trump has frauded the town of Ossining out of Millions in tax revenue he has owed them.

 

[CUSP82]

This is one of my favorites.

The Trump National Golf Club in Westchester County, New York

Trump bought the property for $8 Million, then promptly spend $45million in improvements. What does he claim the value of this property is for tax purposes to the Town of Ossining? $1.35 Million. On his FEC filing Trump claims this property has a value of $50+Million.


Now his the town filed any charges against him because was doing something illegal? If they didn't than what he is doing is within the law.
Now Z do you or your business pay more than you should or does your accountant try to get you very deduction possible?

 

[Zman007]

This is one of my favorites.

The Trump National Golf Club in Westchester County, New York

Trump bought the property for $8 Million, then promptly spend $45million in improvements. What does he claim the value of this property is for tax purposes to the Town of Ossining? $1.35 Million. On his FEC filing Trump claims this property has a value of $50+Million.


Now his the town filed any charges against him because was doing something illegal? If they didn't than what he is doing is within the law.
Now Z do you or your business pay more than you should or does your accountant try to get you very deduction possible?

Doing what you can within the law is one thing, but this goes far beyond that.

There is currently a legal battle, in 2015 it was assessed at $14.3 Million, he filed suit claiming it was only valued at $1.4 Million. This Monday his lawyers have revised his claim to valueing it at $9 Million.

But here is the facts, Trump attempted to defraud the Town of Ossining by trying to pay taxes on $1.4 Million not the assessed value of $14.3 Million while simultaneously claiming on his FEC filings that the property is worth in excess of $50million.

Trump is lying to virtually everyone involved. The valuation of his property at $14million is less than 28% the value he claimed on his FEC filing and the value he tried to pay taxes on is less than 3% of what he claims it is worth in the public FEC filing.

Trump is vastly overstating his wealth and attempting to fraud municipalities on his tax bills. There are more examples of this kind of tax dodging behavior.

 

[CUSP82]

Trump is doing what his accountants tell him to do. They know the law and if there is a dispute between the town and Trump then it will be handled legally as we do in this country.
To call him a liar and someone who commits fraud without proof really is a wrong thing to do.

 

[Zman007]

Really??? Call me crazy, but I feel like you have a huge double standard. Do you really feel lie, cheat, and steal until you get caught and sued is a quality you want in a President?

Trump has a property with an assessed value. He is simultaneously attempting to claim that it is only worth 10% of its assessed value while claiming publicly on an official FEC filing that it is worth 300+% of its assessed value. That is a lie, that is fraud, and it is currently being handled in a legal battle that Trump is losing and already conceded to changing his claim to being worth only $9million.


I do have to concede, the story about the Ice Rink is pretty cool and one I was not aware of. That is definitely the best pro Trump example I've heard to date. Scratch that, not best, but only good Pro Trump example. I wonder if he used his simple refuse to pay and negotiate with vendors strategy stiffing and small businesses in the process that couldn't afford to fight him in court. Some of the things he did during the Atlantic City Taj Mahal debacle were down right amoral. The ice rink story doesn't alleviate my concerns about his demeanor, his temperament, his business practices, his lack of knowledge, or idiocy of many of his policy proposals.

 

[CUSP82]

Z if he has done everything you said he has then he should be in jail but he's not. Maybe, as other business guys they do their thing and it's not illegal. Trust me there is always some DA that want's to nail a rich guy so maybe he just hasn't done anything wrong.

Now you accuse me of having a double standard so tell me who are you going to vote for? Lie cheat and steal; your words; so who will you vote for? You know there is no way Bernie will get the nomination and when you talk of lie cheat and steal the first thing that I think of is Hillary, except people seem to die because of her duplicity.

 

[Zman007]

Z if he has done everything you said he has then he should be in jail but he's not. Maybe, as other business guys they do their thing and it's not illegal. Trust me there is always some DA that want's to nail a rich guy so maybe he just hasn't done anything wrong.

Now you accuse me of having a double standard so tell me who are you going to vote for? Lie cheat and steal; your words; so who will you vote for? You know there is no way Bernie will get the nomination and when you talk of lie cheat and steal the first thing that I think of is Hillary, except people seem to die because of her duplicity.

And there is the dodge and deflection.

You state that if he is guilty he should be in jail, then apply a double standard to Hillary Clinton. Look at the defrauding that has taken place with Trump University, good thing for Trump is he won't have to appear in court till after November now. Trump has a history of strategically using Bankruptcy to leave others on the line for his debts while ultimately getting richer himself. And then you make the "Killery" accusation, care to support that with actual evidence? Apply the standard you do to evidence about Trump to the evidence you supply about Clinton. Now, I believe Clinton should be in prison as well, but I think it should be for the corruption surrounding the Clinton Foundation and her time as Secretary of State. Trump is the epitome of the Rich .01%er that has been buying up politicians and milking the middle class into oblivious. The same Trump that proposes massive tax cuts for the wealthiest that would leave a projected budget shortfall of $1.2 Trillion per year and balloon the National Debt by something like 33 Trillion by 2036. The same Trump that said we can just print money and buy back our national debt as a discount. The same Trump that gets into twitter tantrums in the middle of the night and resorts to behavior I wouldn't let my future children get away with.

I despise Hillary Clinton and everything she stands for and I will be voting for Bernie Sanders, even if I have to write him in. That being said, I feel that she would continue the unsavory status quo while Trump would result in an unmitigated disaster for the US and World Economy.

 

[Rasputine]

So your essentially voting for hillary clinton,right?

 

[Zman007]

So your essentially voting for hillary clinton,right?

I am refusing to vote for HRC.

Anyway, was fun, probably won't be back on till Monday as I'm out of town.

 

[Rasputine]

A vote for the bern is avote for hillary clinton.

 

[akaTrex]

After watching Hillary stand above 4 Flag Draped coffins of American Hero's and tell both the Famalies and the American people it was a Video that caused people to riot.

Rioters carrying AK47's, Rocket Propelled Grenades and Morters to a Protest?

I'll be Voting for Mr. T, Trump that is!

 

[BigO]

Trump has gone on record saying that he tries to pay as little tax as possible be cause he does not like what is done with our taxes.

I feel the same and so do most Americans. I try to pay as little as possible.

He does not lie to pay what he does, he has great accountants. There is nothing wrong with this, he is not breaking any laws.

Hillary Clinton has taken millions and millions of dollars, most of which is not taxed at all. The clinton have lied, stolen and cheated people out of money for years.

I hope Trump wins and then puts the crooked bastards away for a long time.

Especially Obama and Hillary.

 

[Rasputine]

Trump has gone on record saying that he tries to pay as little tax as possible be cause he does not like what is done with our taxes.

I feel the same and so do most Americans. I try to pay as little as possible.

He does not lie to pay what he does, he has great accountants. There is nothing wrong with this, he is not breaking any laws.

Hillary Clinton has taken millions and millions of dollars, most of which is not taxed at all. The clinton have lied, stolen and cheated people out of money for years.
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I hope Trump wins and then puts the crooked bastards away for a long time.

Especially Obama and Hillary.

I totally agree

 

[ScarletSkull]

Dogshit in one hand, cat sh*t in the other. It's all still sh*t.

 

[burtybasset]

Came across this...

Donald Trump?s campaign co-chair reveals his higher education plans.

I think this is a great thing, as there seems to be too many of these kids around who are encouraged to be entitled activists, because of waste of time courses that won't give them any real job prospects when they leave college. Encouraging colleges to be more responsible to students for their future sounds like a good idea to me and should make them stop teaching children nonsense that doesn't help anyone.

 

[alienware83]

Trump has gone on record saying that he tries to pay as little tax as possible be cause he does not like what is done with our taxes.

I feel the same and so do most Americans. I try to pay as little as possible.

He does not lie to pay what he does, he has great accountants. There is nothing wrong with this, he is not breaking any laws.

Hillary Clinton has taken millions and millions of dollars, most of which is not taxed at all. The clinton have lied, stolen and cheated people out of money for years.

I hope Trump wins and then puts the crooked bastards away for a long time.

Especially Obama and Hillary.

What a horribly stupid reason. I can guarantee you that if Hillary or Obama were found in the Panama Papers, right wingers would be losing their sh*t screaming corruption. Sorry but if you are a billionaire(at least he says) like Trump, and you still try to pay no taxes, you are part of the problem, <edit>.

Also, tax evasion is a crime, and I wouldn't be surprised if he has partaken in changing some of the tax codes to benefit himself and perhaps even using offshore accounting to evade taxes.

Its amazing for you to be dumb enough to think that a guy who so clearly cares only about himself, and his own wealth, would actually give a sh*t about poor people or the evaporating middle class in this country. In fact there is every reason to believe he would be like any other <edit> who just tries to benefit himself.

Trump won't win. Get over it. Yet he highlights a major problem with democracy. It doesn't work well when you have a very large population of stupid people, like most conservative voters who have been consistently duped into voting against their own self-interest aka voting for people who only care about the very wealthy.

The easiest way to make money in this country is probably duping very conservative people, or very religious people. Its actually hilarious and somewhat immoral since they are too dumb to realize they are being conned. Just look at Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Alex Jones making all these false predictions and fear-mongering about Obama only to have these poor old conservatives cash in their social security check to support them. These guys are rolling in cash.

 

[jockinthebox]

Clean up the language and labeling (baiting) in your post, alienware. It's unnecessary to make your point, so I'm asking you to edit it accordingly.