I don't know what to do anymore. Lots of sh*t

[spanky]

It's interesting reading this whole thread again. When I first read this and joined in at new year, I was in the same place as you. Now a couple of months later, I've gotten to know some of the people who have been trying to help you (and whose help you've spurned) a little better. More importantly, despite having a PE problem as bad as yours for the last 6 years, last week thanks to the help and advice of the people on this forum whose advice you've been so quick to throw back at them, and thanks to something you don't have, which is a good attitude and patience, I was in bed with a girl all weekend and fucked her 6 times, half an hour plus each time. Properly fucking now as well.

It angers me to read this thread now, and your attitude to some excellent advice you've been receiving. I know you're frustrated. I get that, but your impatience is such a force against you. I'm sorry if that sounds like new age crap, but I assure you I am as atheist as the day is long and no hippie. You must relax within yourself. Pack in the porn NOW. Stop trying to live up to porn, and start trying to live up to yourself. And get these fucking crazy ideas out of your head that pills and surgery are the only option or some miracle cure. You've failed with other techniques you say "don't work" and dismiss so readily because you're approaching it all wrong, and from a couple of choice comments below it's clear how. You've already made your mind up.

Seriously, you're wrong.

That's what girls love, not some new-age tantric tard who has to stop every minute to relax and breathe.

Here's what's wrong with this statement. Stopping for a couple of seconds to get yourself out of trouble is so fucking fine it's not funny. Tickle her clit while you do it if it bothers you so much. If you're with a girl who holds that against you, she's a moron, you're doing it so you can keep on fucking her. Look, this girl I was with this weekend, I had to stop her moving periodically - at least I had to stop her going up and down for a moment while I held my sh*t together. And then I carried on fucking her hard, and she fucking loved it, so get this stupid idea out of your head that sex *must* be bang bang bang with *no* breaks, because that's just not true, and porn has given you some crazy ass interpretation of what you think sex should be.

I had sex just before christmas and I lasted 20 seconds. Last weekend, I lasted 30-40 minutes over and over again. How? because I'm patient mate, not hyperactive, or ignorant of some really fucking sound advice when it comes in. And because I refuse to take drastic measures like surgery or pills so I'm fucking dedicated to fixing it with the advice of members on here who actually know a thing or two, and giving those ideas the time, patience and dedication they deserve.

I know you've had a bunch of sex. I get that. So have I. Some bad, Some good. Some freaking awesome. That's how it goes. That doesn't mean that I know everything about sex. I learn something new each time. Wanna know why? because sex is more complicated than porn. Just go ahead and fucking delete ALL your porn NOW.

Do you recognise all the levels of your arousal? Can you describe 1/10, 3/10, 6/10 aroused? This sh*t is important. you don't have to be all mystic and new agey about it, you can keep the whole thing to yourself if you want, but you need to be acutely aware of your own arousal. I apologise if you already are - and I don't mean facetiously, like "yeah.. all too fuckin aware," I mean like all the different sensations you feel at different levels.

If you don't, Get yourself a copy of some MMO book like Barbara Keesling's "How To Make Love All Night" which WILL have exercises designed to teach you this stuff, and so-called Peaking exercises where you go up to a 4, then relax down to a 2, then up to a 6, and back down to a 4 and so on and so on. Again, apologies if you know and can do all this already, but in case not, this is basically creative edging with a session plan. If you don't have this acute level of arousal awareness yet, go and take a couple of weeks to learn it. And start NOW. You DON'T need to go all the way through for MMO unless you want to, but you DO need to be extremely familiar with your arousal. You only have to learn this stuff once you know.

I'm in my 30's and I just learnt the other day what PONR actually feels like. Can you imagine that! I thought for all these years it was the intense feeling on my bell end, but no, it's the tension and inflation around your balls, and in fact it turns out I can sustain the intense bellend feeling for ages on its own with practice. Well how the fuck about that.

You need to be more open minded, despite your frustration and the fact that things haven't worked for you yet. You obviously don't know it all otherwise you wouldn't have this problem. You should let yourself be surprised. You really do need to trust and believe what people are telling you instead of looking for reasons to discredit them (people incidentally who've beaten PE) and you need to chill the fuck out.

I can relax my PC muscle all day unless my cock is being stimulated, which makes me want to feel like im about to cum real fast, so the muscle clenches by reflex unless I stop all stimulation because the pleasure is not bearable

See you told me a LOT here. You threw my suggestion about relaxing the pelvic floor out of court saying "yah, that doesn't work for me" and then you said that actually you can't fucking do it anyway.

Listen up. You need to spend weeks, months if you have to, learning to GET RID of those reflexes and learning how to relax your kegels UNDER STIMULATION. You see, this is what pisses me off about your attitude. You think you know better, yet you haven't fixed it yet have you, so clearly you don't fucking know better. You say that you've tried everything, but it turns out you actually haven't, and you're too busy looking for excuses why proven effective techniques to help you are somehow not for you (like that "new-age tantric tard" comment up there). Mate, stopping for a moment to hold yourself back (I used kegel holds and/or reverse kegels to drop my arousal down from 70/80% to 50/60% this way a number of times - sometimes I didn't even have to stop fucking) does not equate to singing "OMMMMM" and sitting in the lotus position. It does NOT make you unsexy. You have got to let these prejudices go, and to be honest, considering the severity of your problem and the anger you obviously (and understandably) feel about it, I'm amazed you're still so stuck up in your ideas of what's cool and what isn't. sh*t, you should be trying ANYTHING with ALL YOUR HEART to beat this thing shouldn't you?

At the end of the day mate, you have received some incredible advice on this thread. If you want to go stick a knife in your cock that's your business, but seriously, have a joint. Read back the advice you've received here - especially from Minuteman - and take it seriously. It doesn't matter if MM is a virgin or not. I'm fucking not, and I'm telling you his advice is golden.

And that's really all I have to say on the matter.

Sorry for my language, angry creates angry. What can I say.

 

[spanky]

One final point. Check out what I said 6 weeks ago here in Post 57

In the last 6 weeks I've been sticking to everything I said there (and what others have been telling you) and now I'm fucking like a champ.

In the last 6 weeks you've been pissing about worrying about pills and surgery, and you're not.

Sorry to be hard on you, it's tough love.

 

[Pegasus]

LOl he still hasn't got his magniusm pills yet ,after what 6 weeks. Glad I haven't wasted much energy on this you guys are saints.

 

[spanky]

The ironic thing is that it sounds like magnesium supplements might well help him control his PFMs better, but I'm afraid he wouldn't know what to do with that since he's already decided that approach was useless.

@naturesucks - I'm sorry to be so hard on you man, but you're your own worst enemy.

 

[Kafka56]

Hey Kafka56, welcome to the gym.

Wanted to ask you something. How bad was your frenulum breve? Could you pull your foreskin all the way back before? And If so, was it so short as to pull your glans backwards if you just left it there with your foreskin back?

I ask because I'm uncut and I considered before that I might have this a bit. My frenulum used to be insanely sensitive, and obviously on the first time you pop your dick in there it if she's not soaking wet, it pulls back real tight and that would send my arousal through the roof.

I don't really know why, perhaps from edging and PFM control, but it's nothing like that sensitive any more. And as I say, that's kinda why I'm asking 'cause I wanted to compare. I've been trying to stretch it a little of late too, as I understand it's possible to make a difference in a month or two.

Actually I had quite a bad case of Phimosis too. I had tried to take slightly less drastic measures previously, like pulling it back with some lube, etc. I tried this for months with no results. More than half the glans of my penis hadn't ever even see the light of day. This, combined with frenulum breve, lead to some pretty bad premature ejaculation problems. My doctor was actually the one that suggested surgery as a good option at that point.

 

[spanky]

Actually I had quite a bad case of Phimosis too. I had tried to take slightly less drastic measures previously, like pulling it back with some lube, etc. I tried this for months with no results. More than half the glans of my penis hadn't ever even see the light of day. This, combined with frenulum breve, lead to some pretty bad premature ejaculation problems. My doctor was actually the one that suggested surgery as a good option at that point.

How old were you when you tried to peel back the phimosis yourself? I had this too, actually I didn't realise I did until you just described it, but I managed to work it free when I was much younger, before my cock developed and I had like a 3" erection. Hurt like hell at the time, but once it started it came quite easily. I always wonder if I didn't finish the job properly around my frenulum though, as it can be tight and I have a funny little pocket under one side!

 

[Pegasus]

Yeah I had a tight foreskin and it hurt a bit to stretch it out, took some time too ,after that no problem.

 

[gsd]

I came to this thread again.... to say something

"Now I last 15 minutes ! " bwahahaha.

I am about to explain but spanky already said this :

Stopping for a couple of seconds to get yourself out of trouble is so fucking fine it's not funny. Tickle her clit while you do it if it bothers you so much. If you're with a girl who holds that against you, she's a moron, you're doing it so you can keep on fucking her. Look, this girl I was with this weekend, I had to stop her moving periodically - at least I had to stop her going up and down for a moment while I held my sh*t together. And then I carried on fucking her hard, and she fucking loved it, so get this stupid idea out of your head that sex *must* be bang bang bang with *no* breaks, because that's just not true, and porn has given you some crazy ass interpretation of what you think sex should be.

And you know what ? It's true , at least for me !
I just had sex with my gf on Saturday and when I'm about to cum, I stopped.
and did some clit stimulate , and fuck , and stop and so on.
It was a good sex and after the session she touched my dick all the time.

Man, I'm in heaven. fucking happy

 

[aidan784]

Good for you gsd congratulations!

 

[Endymion]

I think Spanky is bang on in a lot of what he says above.

I do maintain, though, that the expectations that Nature and I agreed about earlier in the thread are not imaginary. Sure, we were both making generalisations, but it is certainly true that a fair proportion of girls expect a decent amount of continuous penetrative time, enough at least to mean that sex isn't an exercise in their frustration. I think that mindset is especially found (and reasonably enough!) in those who've had long term relationships (and/or consistently long-lasting sex) with boys who have no PE issues. (Whether or not it's fine for the guy to stop briefly is another question. I think it's fine to stop for a bit as long as it isn't frustrating for the girl. That's more stopping than Nature seems to think is OK, but less than is necessary for someone with a serious PE issue. I think that's fair.) Anyway , for instance - and this sounds really weird, but whatever - in my house of 5 students we were joking about having a drunken orgy and a guy made a joke about it being no big deal; it would only have to last five minutes at most. The conversation became a more serious one about whether short sex was at all worth it and both girls were quite clear about what they thought. Whatever causes these expectations (porn or just exaggerated boasting from both sexes about their experiences), I think it's fair to say they are real and that guys with PE are justifiably anxious. It's also quite clear from my experience at least that the same sympathy is not extended to guys with PE as that extended to girls with sexual health issues. No one laughs at a girl whose physiology means she can't have long-lasting sex, but PE jokes are staple in comedy and are made about guys with PE by both guys and girls.

Anyway, back to the point. As I've said, I think Spanky's advice and the advice of many others on this forum is immensely valuable and contrary to my own expectations I have made considerable progress since I joined this site in December. Lots of people seem to put up progress reports - for anyone who cares, here's mine. I doubt I've made as much progress as Spanky - I wouldn't rate my chances of being able to last 40 minutes six times in a row if something happened tomorrow! But I have seen a big improvement and I would attribute it mostly to RKs and, more accurately, dealing with involuntary kegels. Before December I'd come across breathing techniques and the usual, unspecific stop/start stuff, but these two foci made all the difference. In my last sessions I've been able to masturbate either continuously or with only one or two pauses for 30 to even 45 minutes, which is amazing for me given that I was barely able to go for 5 without stopping in December (and 2 last summer). My last session started with 15 minutes or dry masturbation, after which I used lube for another 30 minutes (to my massive surprise). When I decided to end the session and come, I actually had to try! Not a familiar sensation, but a very welcome one. I try to keep sessions to a minimum of 25 or so minutes, and being disciplined with that minimum time is definitely key to making sure that progress isn't ever undone. Like others who have posted above, my bladder needs to be or feel completely empty if I'm to keep going for any length of time.

About eliminating involuntaries. When I started out at around New Year's, I could feel my PFMs tensing up to just the slightest stimulation of anywhere on my penis. I could only relax them after an inevitable initial contraction. I made sure I was getting accurate feedback on even the slightest contraction by putting a finger lightly on my perineum (not enough to stimulate my prostate, obviously!). I think after a couple of goes masturbating with the odd desperate RK and failing to make any change to the reflex, I sat down like this and simply spent a good half an hour touching myself in different places experimenting with anticipatory RKs and really just paying attention to consciously forcing my PFMs to stay relaxed. Biting off more than you can chew makes these things a complete waste of time, so I stayed basic for as long as possible and just stuck to the shaft, no lubrication. Very frustrating at first, and touching anywhere new seemed to bring on a contraction no matter how ready I was. With a lot of patience and practice this reflex has almost gone entirely. I still feel that when sitting down or standing up or when moving around I have to consciously RK, but I think that is natural since your PFMs are important in balance etc.. I've also been able to eliminate any contraction of my PFMs while thrusting by initiating and focussing on an RK before I start.

Minuteman, this is just a quick thank you for (and reiteration of) a tip you posted - possibly in this thread, not sure though - something along these lines: 'the best way to deal with involuntary kegels is to turn them into voluntary 1-3 second holds.' I've found that a low or at least non-maximum strength hold is best. For me this has been the single most effective piece of advice I think I've read on this forum. The drill you suggested to demonstrate this went something like this: (1) relax your PFMs; (2) contract them and hold a consistent pressure (doesn't have to be strong at all); (3) re-relax them and you should find that you feel like you can relax ('push') further than before (I don't know whether or not you actually can, but it definitely feels that way); (4) repeat with the same contraction strength, finding that you can relax more after every contraction. Practising this really helped me - I knew that if I needed to convert an involuntary contraction into a voluntary hold, I would be much more relaxed after it than I had been beforehand. I also knew that if I held a voluntary contraction, I would be able to release to a position of greater relaxation. In my edging sessions I began to pre-empt (a long, long time in advance) my involuntary contractions. As soon as I could feel that I was becoming less relaxed, I'd do a low-strength hold for a couple of seconds and then release. At this stage, the brief period of heightened sensitivity from momentarily greater EQ was far outweighed by the sheer relief and relaxation felt when I released the hold and breathed out over a good 5-10 seconds. It literally feels like being reset to stage 1. I know that when stimulation changes and becomes more intense I'll get an involuntary, so I predict it with a light hold and then release - I then do an RK, and holding it after that has become subconscious (though I had to focus at first). It still feels slightly risky to do a hold when you're nearing PONR, but most of the time it works (with the breathing). When it doesn't, I have to stop as I did in my previous edging sessions. But that's becoming less of an issue.

However, it seems very obvious to me that a great part of the improvement is due to psychological factors. The confidence boost I got from when I first tried out this stuff was huge, and I'm sure that the mental effect is contributing to my stamina at least as much as the physical effect of (re)establishing relaxation in the PF. Now I can consciously reduce my arousal quite effectively with breathing alone, and I use Minuteman's technique above to deal with arousal when it's climbing faster. My confidence in both is definitely on the up.

I'm confident that I can keep improving - I'm going to start using lube earlier, build in more thrusting and work my way up to thrusting into two hands (first dry for an entire session, then I'll start adding lube - as I've been doing with one hand). When I'm really confident, I'll start to begin sessions with faster thrusts etc., basically always moving towards the ultimate pressure situation so that when it actually happens I'll have practised relaxation with similar situation. I know I'm going to need time to make these changes, and don't want to get ahead of myself only to undo all my work - so I'll make progress deliberately slow.

My only concerns are the following. (1) If/when I get to the point when I can thrust continuously into two lubed up hands, it still won't be the real thing. I guess I might then buy and try a Fleshlight, but there doesn't seem to be a way around this and I'm worried that the practice will count for nothing. Hopefully my arousal control will be good enough by then for me to last a decent amount of time when I next have sex - that will provide the confidence I'll need. (2) I may well have sex long before I reach that stage, in which case I'm worried that all my neuroplasticity-stuff and work towards eliminating reflexes will be reset. I guess I'll have to wait and see.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who's posted advice. Invaluable to just scroll through people's thoughts and hear different articulations of the same emotions, sensations and exercises. Keep it up.

Endymion

P.S. Sorry for any incomplete sentences - I write these posts in a really disorganised, flitty way.

P.P.S. Back in December, I found there was nothing more depressing than reading other people's success stories. It made me feel left behind and like my problem was especially hard to fix, etc., that there was something special about my situation that was making it impossible to change it. It's not true - and with enough patience and focus and frankly desperate confidence in techniques, it is definitely possible to make small changes. It has taken me two months to get to where I am now and I guess that in terms of times and stimulation, it really isn't far from where I was. I still need to start slow, etc.. But I am increasingly confident that it's possible to change my system and I have every intention of keeping it up, and the biggest change has been in my attitude. I'll stick at it.

 

[Endymion]

One final note - as in Spanky's most recent long post on this thread, I've found that I'm able to sit at quite high levels of stimulation and pleasure for a lot longer. This is definitely to do with being better at recognising the PONR and being quite happy in the knowledge that I will simply stop if I get there. I'm just more comfortable at higher levels of sensation now, and knowing my limits and gradually extending them is becoming an increasingly rewarding process. I definitely feel like my body has been (to an extent) rewired to 'like' and want to endure the pleasure of stimulation over time instead of ejaculation. I really do feel like the connection between stimulation and ejaculation is starting to break down; what better motivation (conscious and subconscious) can there be for holding off ejaculation than knowing that I'll get around 45 minutes of continuous pleasurable feeling instead?!

 

[Endymion]

Oh, and one thing I forgot to make clear... The last two posts are obviously very self-centred and on re-reading them it looks like I just hijacked the thread. I haven't posted in a while and I guess rereading all this made me want to do a public update. But I do mean the information to be helpful - that stuff's worked for me and maybe, Nature, you might consider giving it another go while waiting for your supplements.

 

[spanky]

Really great posts Endymion, and I'm really encouraged by your success. rep for you. I attribute my recent success and progress to making the time and effort to real get to understand my body and sexual response. The fact is that it's extrememly easy to live your life wanking and shagging and all that without ever really feeling it properly, and addressing that has not just been an education, but thankfully, it looks like there's a qualification too

I wouldn't worry about hijacking the thread, the OP needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[spanky]

I came to this thread again.... to say something

"Now I last 15 minutes ! " bwahahaha.

I am about to explain but spanky already said this :


And you know what ? It's true , at least for me !
I just had sex with my gf on Saturday and when I'm about to cum, I stopped.
and did some clit stimulate , and fuck , and stop and so on.
It was a good sex and after the session she touched my dick all the time.

Man, I'm in heaven. fucking happy

Amen brother

 

[spanky]

I really do feel like the connection between stimulation and ejaculation is starting to break down; what better motivation (conscious and subconscious) can there be for holding off ejaculation than knowing that I'll get around 45 minutes of continuous pleasurable feeling instead?!

Just brilliant stuff. I love everything about this

 

[spanky]

Y'know, we're all being a bit harsh on the OP, maybe me especially so, but naturesucks, the fact that we're still here should tell you that we all do want you to beat this thing. I'm only responding to you with the same aggression I felt from you. Genuinely nothing would give me greater pleasure than to learn you'd started to crack this thing. Please make the effort bud, it *is* beatable. Don't play yourself into despair.

 

[kingpole]

Oh im tired.

 

[wheelbite]

Hi there naturesucks

I really enjoy studying nutrition, and also having had a problem with PE for all of my sexual life, why not study with that sorts of things.

But I am real busy at the moment so Ill just give you a quick description of some of the things, and Ill try to edit this later.

so you said you wanted to know what they do not regarding PE (since I am pretty sure you wouldnt explain that to your mom, haha.)

The magnesium glycinate is one of the better absorbed magnesiums, and helps with brain function, and various nervous disorders. I dont know if you are deficient or not, but since I live in the U.S. I don't get much magnesium in my diet (trying to change that)
I take around 400-600 mg a day, 200mg morning, 200mg in the day, and 200 mg at night

The fish oil that i told about, I take 10 mL a day, 5ml in the morning, 5 mL in the evening.
fishoil helps with brain function as well, and the body needs a lot of omega 3 fatty acids since most people nowadays don't eat good food, and eat too much omega-6.
fishoil increases serotonin and is known to help with depression.

l-methionine is an amino acid that you get from protein, and it blocks histamine.
it helps a lot if you have allergies. and if you have too much histamine (read about it) it is a real important hormone, and can effect all of your serotonin/dopamine kind of stuff, if they tone down their histamine they can cure their depression. people with low histamine levels have a lot of problems also, but one of their "problems" is delayed ejaculation. When women cant experience orgasms some doctors even prescribe them histamine supplements to help get them to orgasm.
I take 500mg 4 times daily for 5 days, and then I stop for 4 days and then start again.

Vitamin C is just good for overall health, and is also an antihistamine.
2-4 g daily in seperated doses.

5-htp helps produce serotonin.
I take 100mg at night. I still need to study this, but most people say that it should not be taken with vitamin b6 because it would just go into the bloodstream. But some people disagree, so some 5-htp has b6 in them. again, im not 100% sure, but I take it without b6.


I don't know what else i told you to get that would help. I actually need to find a good multi vitamin myself, so I will let you know when I find one.

and about taking all of this stuff. It all depends. This isnt going to cure you.

basically, when you are under stress or other environmental factors come into play (bad diet, etc) your body is depleted of nutrients it needs. When people are depressed its because they dont get enough of some nutrient(s). So i mean, lets say you have depleted levels of serotonin and what not, and masturbate frequently, more times than not you will start ejaculating quicker and quicker, soon training yourself to do so.

and a lot of the times when people practice edging and what not to last longer, some times they won't succeed because their body doesnt have the neurotransmitter balance it needs.

so that's why I suggest not ejaculating for a period of time, let your brain de-train itself in that regard, and over a period of time after taking these supplements i am sure you will see improvement.

But if you decide to stop taking them, I am sure you will be fine, but if you let yourself become depressed again or whatnot it might go back to PE.



I have sort of figured out my own case. whenever I would get stressed, I would masturbate. I conditioned myself to ejaculate when I was stressed out basically. noreporphrine (the stress neurotransmitter) also helps speed along ejaculation. so over a period of years, you can kind of see the pattern.

so thats why I stopped ejaculating while i was stressed especially. I got healthier and it has helped tremendously. However genetics do come into play with PE, and I am quite positive I will always have high histamine levels if I do not supplement myself with l-methionine or a low histamine diet. To lower levels of histamine you gotta be patient, it takes a long time (like year) but I mean it's not bad, and that might not be your case. But yeah man! if you don't want to keep supplementing yourself, eat a healthy diet with all of these vitamins and minerals!


edit: I read a bit of spanky's post the page earlier, and he commented on how you need to do these edging exercises and learn to control your pelvic muscles.

I just wanted to say that's 100% true. The supplements you take will help you control your muscles a lot better (mainly because of the magnesium.)

I guess curing PE is kind of like bodybuilding. bodybuilders have to work their ass off, and they also take supplements to help them get bigger.

However I do feel that some people on this messageboard do not understand that to be honest. I see a lot of people telling people off if they take tramadol or other drugs to go longer that they should just stick to the natural way of edging and reverse kegels etcetcetc.

I agree that those kind of pills are not good to take, but you DO need the proper balance of chemicals in your brain in order to function sexually, so by taking these supplements that indeed does help naturally.

 

[naturesucks]

LOl he still hasn't got his magniusm pills yet ,after what 6 weeks. Glad I haven't wasted much energy on this you guys are saints.

Not 6 weeks, 2. And im completely new to supplements. Nothing wrong with knowing what you are actually buying, specially when it comes overseas. Haters gonna hate.

Hi there naturesucks

Thanks. A quick question: Any problem if the l-methionine includes B6-Vitamins?

All l-methionine supps I can find on iHerb have B6 on it:

http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-L-Methionine-with-Vitamin-B-6-500-mg-100-Capsules/706?at=0

I want to order everything from the same place if possible, so it's easy to keep track of it. So far i've got on my cart:

http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-High-Absorption-Magnesium-120-Tablets/15?at=0
http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-Best-5-HTP-100-mg-60-Veggie-Caps/1?at=0
http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-L-Methionine-with-Vitamin-B-6-500-mg-100-Capsules/706?at=0
http://www.iherb.com/Nature-s-Answe...tural-Orange-Flavor-16-fl-oz-480-ml/7908?at=0

All good? I want to know before I pull the trigger. Im going to get x2 of the magnesium, 5htp and l-methionine ones cos it's pretty affordable and I don't wanna run out of it for at least 2 months. The annoying part is i'll have to make 2 different orderings because shippings are limited to 80$ and 3lbs max per ordering. It may take 4 weeks to arrive. Way will be worth it I guess, because I can't find decent stuff sold here on Spain, specially Magnesium Glycinate, can't find it anywhere on the web.

About not watching porn and so on: I've been off watching any porn for 3 days (lol) but i haven't masturbated for 8 days now. Bit difficult sometimes to not get aroused when you are talking to a girl on MSN and she has a hot picture as an avatar. Going strong in any case.

So much other stuff to reply on there, will do when I have the time.

Cheers

 

[naturesucks]

Thanks. A quick question: Any problem if the l-methionine includes B6-Vitamins?

All l-methionine supps I can find on iHerb have B6 on it:

http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-L-Met...sules/706?at=0

Bump for answers. Wheelchair u there?