I don't know what to do anymore. Lots of sh*t

[darinsixpack]

Read on as I get to the control thing later........One thing I stumbled on that allowed me to train myself was when I got with a new girlfriend. I had performance anxiety and the fact her X was hung like a horse didn't help. Anyhow, I had trouble getting it up so I tried viagra. It worked very well and I got over the anxieties as I began giving this girl multiple orgasms and my confidence was back....but the thing that worked better then the performance in getting hard was the control. The viagra took away the premature ejaculation ssituation as well. I could last as long as I wanted and had to work it hard to cum. And she loved it.....But viagra gave me bad headaches and a hangover affect for two days following. By now I was over the erection problem, but loved the control I had. So I switched to cialis to try and lesson the side affects. Cialis had less side affects, but also I lost the ability to control when I came as I had on viagra. Anyhow, I ended up on levitra which had less sideaffects and gave me the same de-sensing as viagra. I used it for a few weeks and was able to train myself to really control the cuming prematurely.

I think ED meds (some) really take that edge off for many of us who cum too fast. Now fast forwarding, 90% of the time I can cum when I want and not one second before. Every now and then, if she is super tight and grinds on me too near the head, I'll loose control, but normally not..

 

[spanky]

hey darin, do you still need the meds to realise those benefits? or do you now still have the benefits without needing to pop a pill any more?

 

[darinsixpack]

hey darin, do you still need the meds to realise those benefits? or do you now still have the benefits without needing to pop a pill any more?

I don't use any pillls anymore. I used them in total for about 4 months and due to the less sensitivity I was able to train myself to have total control. For years I came way too fast, but now I cum when I'm ready, usually after she tells me to. My last girlfriend would tell me to cum with her for her last big O after she had 4 or 5. I had went years as being known as the 2 minute man and always having to pull back. LOL. So having total control was a huge plus. Viagra and Levitra really take away the over sensation feelings, but keep you all the way up, so you can really train yourself to notice those sensations as they come on much lower when medicated. Hope this helps.

 

[spanky]

I don't use any pillls anymore. I used them in total for about 4 months and due to the less sensitivity I was able to train myself to have total control. For years I came way too fast, but now I cum when I'm ready, usually after she tells me to. My last girlfriend would tell me to cum with her for her last big O after she had 4 or 5. I had went years as being known as the 2 minute man and always having to pull back. LOL. So having total control was a huge plus. Viagra and Levitra really take away the over sensation feelings, but keep you all the way up, so you can really train yourself to notice those sensations as they come on much lower when medicated. Hope this helps.

Obviously I'm training myself (or at least trying to) without pharmaceuticals, but I've heard Levitra come up time and time again. Should I completely fail, that seems to be the drug of choice, and interesting that the effects lasted.

 

[spanky]

Side effects sound a bit nasty (via Wikipedia)

The common, adverse drug reactions (side effects) are the same as with other PDE5 inhibitors. The frequent vardenafil-specific side effect is nausea; the infrequent side effects are: abdominal pain, back pain, photosensitivity, abnormal vision, eye pain, facial oedema, hypotension, palpitation, tachycardia, arthralgia, myalgia, rash, itch, and priapism. (Rossi, 2004)

 

[darinsixpack]

Side effects sound a bit nasty (via Wikipedia)

Levitra gave me the fewest side affects, plus it's the cheapest. The only side affects were a very mild headache and stuffy sinuses. But hey when you screw for hours, it was worth it. . I think people get too afraid of these medications. Viagra is the dirtiest and gave the worst affects by far.

 

[naturesucks]

Not 6 weeks, 2. And im completely new to supplements. Nothing wrong with knowing what you are actually buying, specially when it comes overseas. Haters gonna hate.


Thanks. A quick question: Any problem if the l-methionine includes B6-Vitamins?

All l-methionine supps I can find on iHerb have B6 on it:

Now Foods, L-Methionine with Vitamin B-6, 500 mg, 100 Capsules - iHerb.com

I want to order everything from the same place if possible, so it's easy to keep track of it. So far i've got on my cart:

Doctor's Best, High Absorption Magnesium, 120 Tablets - iHerb.com
Doctor's Best, Best 5-HTP, 100 mg, 60 Veggie Caps - iHerb.com
Now Foods, L-Methionine with Vitamin B-6, 500 mg, 100 Capsules - iHerb.com
Nature's Answer, Liquid Omega-3, Deep Sea Fish Oil EPA/DHA, Natural Orange Flavor, 16 fl oz (480 ml) - iHerb.com

All good? I want to know before I pull the trigger. Im going to get x2 of the magnesium, 5htp and l-methionine ones cos it's pretty affordable and I don't wanna run out of it for at least 2 months. The annoying part is i'll have to make 2 different orderings because shippings are limited to 80$ and 3lbs max per ordering. It may take 4 weeks to arrive. Way will be worth it I guess, because I can't find decent stuff sold here on Spain, specially Magnesium Glycinate, can't find it anywhere on the web.

About not watching porn and so on: I've been off watching any porn for 3 days (lol) but i haven't masturbated for 8 days now. Bit difficult sometimes to not get aroused when you are talking to a girl on MSN and she has a hot picture as an avatar. Going strong in any case.

So much other stuff to reply on there, will do when I have the time.

Cheers

Wheelchair bro where are you. Need to confirm this before I buy anything. Any problems with L-methionine having B6 added?

 

[naturesucks]

Btw, just want to update this thread that besides looking into the supplements and the frenulum surgery (that I need like it or not), I may get the full circumsicion package aswell.

I never liked having an uncut cock, for several reasons. First is obvious, it's too oversensitive and uncontrolled, but what sucks too much is things like: You are at the beach with your super hot girl friends. They are all around ya, some doing topless. We all talking and sh*t, some rub you sunscreem, some are cool and let you put the cream on them too (including boobs =)) so yeah, you get that tingling effect on your cock, trying to avoid the raging bonner. I usually will succeed, but what will happen is something that I don't recommend: So you meet this girl, do things with her all day. It's summer, sun, everything is hot and sweaty. After a day of going around to places, night comes, and we are both horny as fuck. Girl may attack, so you better be ready. Unfortunately, what happens is that my uncut cock would be full of pre-cum on there (because of all the stuff that happened throught the day), so it's a bit gross, i can imagine, from a girls POV to suck it.
No matter how many fucking times did you shower in your morning, if you see so many hot girls tanning on the beach through the day, you are going to have precum on there. And since you are uncut, it's going to be trapped inside the foreskin. After a couple of hours, that sh*t morphs itself into a pretty consistent and disgusting sort of paste. So you better have that sh*t cut for the next time (lesson learned).
Taking a shower before sex is simply not an option when you are at the beach, or outside. Even if you were at a hotel room, it would make no fucking sense saying "brb shower" before sex. That kills the passion of the moment and girls hate that, specially if it's the girl that jumps on your cock.

Another reason: I HATE stretching and jelqing with my forskin and frenulum. It's too damn annoying. And I tried and tried, but it's just terrible and counterproductive. Feels like it would be loads easier without foreskin and a short frenulum being annoying.

Finally: It looks ridiculous when flaccid. Like a babydick. Like some sort ant-eater, lol. Also, I think that even if I got the short frenulum issue sorted, when erect it would still not be automatically retracted unless I pulled the remaining skin backwards with my hand, because simply I have too much foreskin for that to happen.

I already contacted a private clinic where a mate got it done, and i've seen some pics and he's now rocking a pretty good looking dick. It healed pretty good after like 2 months. I think im going to go throught this, because if I don't I'll always have this feeling of "what if I did it?" You only live once.

Again, I have nothing to lose at this point, so fucking oath, i'll do it.

 

[naturesucks]

Btw about supplements:
I talked about it with an aknowledgable on the matter guy:

About magnesium, he recommended me to not take pills because they tend to give you stomatch issues (they tend to give you diharrea) and told me to use Transdermal Magnesium (applied on the skin), this one:

Why Zechstein Magnesium

Said it's a lot more absorbent and has probed to raise endogenous DHEA, something that oral magnesium doesn't do.

He also told me that the use of metionine can be very problematic, specially if it's injustified in it's use, and that when you supplement yourself with metionine you gotta guarantee its metabolism (whatever this means, will ask him again).

He gave me this link about studies on metionine supplements:
Methionine Restriction as the Cause of Calorie Restriction Benefits

For vitamin C he rcommended Alphasorb

For fish Oil he recommended:
Omacor
And these two:
Renew Life, Norwegian Gold, Ultimate Fish Oils, Super Critical Omega, 1200 mg, 30 Fish Gels - iHerb.com
Minami Nutrition, VeganDHA, Highest Vegan DHA Formula, Orange Flavor, 60 Softgels - iHerb.com

He told me to really consider the quality of the product because most of them are a bit rancid.

About 5htp, he also said that it can be very risky, cause most of the stuff is dirty, so it gotta be a farmaceutical one like oxitriptan or from a high quality brand like Linnea.

Any objections on those supplements for what we are trying to achieve? (ejaculation related stuff). Hope you can comment on this because I was about to buy some of the supplements but now im having second thoughts.

 

[naturesucks]

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[wheelbite]

ill post a more detailed response later, but ill let you know whats up quickly


he is most likely referring to magnesium citrate. magnesium citrate gives you a lot of crappy side effects. I could only take 400mg of it and feel like i have diahrea. its the citrate in it, not magnesium.

magnesium glycinate does not have any side effects like that. I could take 2 grams of it if i wanted to and would be fine. It is one of the most highly absorbed out of the oral supplements. that is why it is more expensive.

transdermal therapy is a good option too. It is just usually way more expensive. like way more. I have read the book about it, and they suggest an ounce a day for 6 months. because usually 5-9 sprays depending on the brand is about 100mg of it. so if you want to have 600-900 mg youll need to buy a lot every few weeks. and if you want to take a bath they suggested adding 2 pounds of it? I am not sure, but it seems kind of goofy. I am still seeing into it though, but it was recommended both oral+transdermal for best effect.
But again, I think the guy you talked to referred to magnesium oxide/citrate( bad absorption + diahrea)


when he talks the problems with methionine, he just refers to weight loss. If you take less methionine and eat the same calories, it is just as good as eating the same amount of methionine with less calories. If you arent over-weight then I would still take methionine

I am not sure what the best 5-htp product is, so I'll have to look into that more.

and lastly about the fishoil, I disagree with the products hes chosen. first product only has a high amount of epa, and 2nd product just seems like any other one. both are expensive and are softgels.

liquid absorbs way better, and the product i use is also pharmaceutical grade. you wouldnt see as much benefit if you used those compared to the liquid ones i believe.

 

[wheelbite]

also this is a good 5-htp supplement, with linnea making the 5-htp

5-HTP Supplement | Jigsaw Health

 

[naturesucks]

also this is a good 5-htp supplement, with linnea making the 5-htp

5-HTP Supplement | Jigsaw Health

Is this on iHerb? I want to order everything off the same place.

Also gotta ask again: Can't find any l-methionine without B16 vitamin on iHerb. Is there any problem if it's included?

 

[wheelbite]

no is fine. helps reduce homocysteine levels that might rise with higher methionine use.

 

[wheelbite]

and no that 5-htp isnt on iherb. I think most 5-htp supplements are fine (without b-6 or whatever that some come with) unlike the person you talked to, but I just found the company that he was talking about (linnea) and they use that.

 

[naturesucks]

So my friend recommended me to get an analysis before I start super-supplementing myself with anything. For example, on his analysis he had already a near optimum magnesium level and barely doesn't need to take supplements for that. He just takes the Dr Best one and some transdermal magnessium like every 10 days or so. His analysis indicate an optimus level of mg on plasma and erythrocytes aswell (he said this is where you get to see whats the real biodisponibility and "captation" of magnesium on your system.)

He also said that there are meds that act upon serotonin, that work perfectly, and you have more, less selective, with different pharmacokinetics, etc. I quote (translating):

If you control serotonin with the med that fits you better personally, with the dosage and inflict upon melatonin aswell, take a decent amount of sun, uses d3 and k2 (that you surely have a deficiency), you get a complete analysis done, hormonal and with all the parameters, and with this analysis you watch the values that you don't have on range then you can act to equilibrate them. This would be one intelligent and effective ay to act in order to solve a problem. In fact, as far as I know in regards to premature ejaculation, if you affect upon serotonin, melatonin, and you reduce histamin, you have the work done and I insist, this is done with "two pills"... and then if you have sides, you treat the sides... that with a correct dosage you shouldn't have any. Resuming: From what I see on the treatment, it's about affecting upon serotonin and for that, the best is doing it the way I said, using an SSRI, melatonin at night and an state-of-the-art antihistaminic.

Regarding deficiencies... almost all, to not say everyone, has d3, k2 and sun; If you want to begin with something, start with that, and from there, get the analysis done.

Whats your take on this? I may wait before buying anything and get the analysis done. Seems like a good idea?

Just sent him your text on why did you not go the SSRI route. Will post what he replies.

 

[Minuteman]

Serotonin and dopamine. Educate me. How do they connect to premature ejaculation and how can you lower or raise them via natural means?

 

[spanky]

On serotonin... moved to https://www.pegym.com/forums/progress-forum/23549-spankys-voyage-self-discovery-4.html#post259405

 

[wheelbite]

hey, naturesucks.

I will research a little bit into this and get back to ya.

It would totally be a good idea to get your levels checked out on all of that stuff. I wish I could! It just can be somewhat expensive. Let me know how you do it if you go through with it.

and yes, the guy you are talking to is correct. SSRI and antihistamine really does treat PE. since histamine and serotonin effect ejaculation.

But the main purpose of me taking these supplements is trying to get myself better without taking anti-depressants and relying on a pill.

I could write a book about how anti-depressants effect the neuroplasticity in a bad way, so that is why I am not going that route.
when they say it re-uptake's serotonin it means it is using up more serotonin than usual, so once you get off of the drug you will usually have lower levels of serotonin and PE even worse for a time until you raise the levels back to normal.

But yeah, I don't know! I would still take the fish oil to be healthy, but if you don't want to take the other stuff that is fine

 

[naturesucks]

hey, naturesucks.

I will research a little bit into this and get back to ya.

It would totally be a good idea to get your levels checked out on all of that stuff. I wish I could! It just can be somewhat expensive. Let me know how you do it if you go through with it.

and yes, the guy you are talking to is correct. SSRI and antihistamine really does treat PE. since histamine and serotonin effect ejaculation.

But the main purpose of me taking these supplements is trying to get myself better without taking anti-depressants and relying on a pill.

I could write a book about how anti-depressants effect the neuroplasticity in a bad way, so that is why I am not going that route.
when they say it re-uptake's serotonin it means it is using up more serotonin than usual, so once you get off of the drug you will usually have lower levels of serotonin and PE even worse for a time until you raise the levels back to normal.

But yeah, I don't know! I would still take the fish oil to be healthy, but if you don't want to take the other stuff that is fine

Awaiting bro. This week im calling the private clinic to get it checked and consider the surgery. They'll probably request circumcision besides the necessary frenulum one, and thats what I want at this point.

Will update.