MadYogi's PE Log

[madyogi]

Thoughts on Measurement Frequency
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As I've said elsewhere here, I have a history in fitness training, public health program design, and teaching yoga. I also have a history of trying to lose weight off and on myself. Repeatable metrics/measurements that can be compared over time are critical to the success of these efforts (including PE).

Nothing about that is controversial, but reasonable minds can disagree about the frequency at which these measurements should be taken to track progress, whether we're talking about muscle gain, weight loss, or penis size gain. And further, each situation probably merits a different approach.

Generally speaking, you want to have reasonable goals that are achievable in reasonable time horizons so you can stay motivated and adjust future goals/programming based on how you are responding as an individual. Therefore, frequency of measurement matters.

Speaking more specifically, the degree to which frequency really matters depends on the situation. For example, weight can swing several pounds from day to day (and even within a single day) based on numerous factors unrelated to overall trends in weight loss or gain. Accordingly, I tend to advocate weighing once or twice weekly at most, and at the same time of time of day, when it comes to tracking a weight loss program. As far as muscle gain is concerned, I tend to measure things like shoulders, chest, etc only once a month or so, since it takes more time for measurable differences to manifest, and further, you get more direct feedback from being able to add a bit more volume to your workouts each week.

When it comes to PE, I'm still not sure what to do with measurement frequency, and I suspect frequency matters more or less depending on the individual. I have responded quite well to the exercising so far, and I'll admit I have been pretty obsessive with the frequency of my measurements. Again, I'm picking up intervals of 1/8" in BPEL every week or two, so measuring twice a week is pretty motivating to me. Whereas, I could see how measuring twice a week would be demoralizing to someone only gaining 1/8" every 2 months or whatever. On the flip side of that, though, not seeing gains over the course of a month, for example, could be a signal that program design should be adjusted, and not having that measurement every week or two could be a hindrance to changing up your program when necessary.

Anyway, I'm just thinking through all this as I'm typing. My plan is to continue measuring obsessively as long as I'm gaining like I have been, but reasonable frequency is definitely on my mind as I start this next training cycle.

I welcome the thoughts of others on this matter ....

 

[madyogi]

4/26 -- Low Intensity Day (60 minutes)

• 20 minutes stretches
• 5 minutes uli
• 20 minutes edging (with climax)

Back at it after much needed rest. Ready to close the gap on that last .75"!

 

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Thoughts on Measurement Frequency
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I welcome the thoughts of others on this matter ....

I officially measure on the 3rd day of every month. I decided this when I started because I didn't want to get frustrated and bail early on, especially when doing JP90. That being said, I have a machinists ruler that sits on my desk and I have 'cheated' on measuring when I've felt particularly big.

I think a month is still a good place to officially measure for me but I will comment that it puts a lot of 'pressure' on that big day. When measurement day came in March I was sick and honestly could only get like a 8 or 9/10 EQ. Also, as you're aware, I think that active training decreases EQ therefore if you measure on an active or even withing <48 hours of an active good workout you might not get your full length. I'm going to drop my Friday workout this week so I can be fully rested when I measure on the 3rd.

 

[health]

I officially measure on the 3rd day of every month. I decided this when I started because I didn't want to get frustrated and bail early on, especially when doing JP90. That being said, I have a machinists ruler that sits on my desk and I have 'cheated' on measuring when I've felt particularly big.

I think a month is still a good place to officially measure for me but I will comment that it puts a lot of 'pressure' on that big day. When measurement day came in March I was sick and honestly could only get like a 8 or 9/10 EQ. Also, as you're aware, I think that active training decreases EQ therefore if you measure on an active or even withing <48 hours of an active good workout you might not get your full length. I'm going to drop my Friday workout this week so I can be fully rested when I measure on the 3rd.

And on measuring day do a very low/light intensity workout to warm real nice

 

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And on measuring day do a very low/light intensity workout to warm real nice

I get that but I almost feel like that's cheating. Like, I want PE to effect my real world situation. Likely, before I want to impress someone with my massive manhood I don't think I'll be putting a heating pad on my unit for 10 mins followed by some light jelqing

 

[madyogi]

I see both sides of this, health and solid. While I am training, and pursuing a goal, I am happy to measure on a training day at the height of EQ, usually during post workout edging. I also know this measurement will typically be ~1/8" more than where I would measure prior to a sexual encounter with no exercising. That's also why I'm shooting for 7.5+", so my goal would be 7.625" or even 7.75" post workout. That way I know my typical measurement in "the real world" is likely to be at least 7.5". I've tested this numerous times with morning wood that is usually 9/10 EQ, and it tends to run ~1/8" below my official PE measurement.

All that said, I'll likely keep measuring regularly as long as the increments are coming every 1-2 weeks. It really does keep me motivated. If/when a major plateau comes, or when I reach my goal, measurement frequency will be much less of an issue.

 

[madyogi]

4/27 -- Med Intensity Day (75 minutes)

• 10 mins warmup
• 20 mins stretching
• 300 jelqs (20 mins)
• 5 mins uli
• 20 mins edging (with intermittent erect squeezes and climax)

Started wearing a cockring several hours a day this cycle. Unfortunately, I'm still using the 50mm version from Home Depot. I ordered a 47mm surgical steel horseshoe from an Australian online sex shop, but who knows how long it will take to get here. In the meantime, the Home Depot one works okay, but after a couple hours it's time to take it off. I'm curious to see if this approach improves gains.

 

[madyogi]

4/28 -- High Intensity Day

• 10 minute warmup
• 20 minutes of stretching
• 600 jelqs
• 5 minutes uli
• 20 minutes edging (with erect squeezes no climax)

Not sure of total time, but well over an hour.

 

[madyogi]

4/29 -- Bonus Stretching/Edging Day

Today was supposed to be a rest day by the design of my program, but I was feeling great today and found some private time unexpectedly, so I did about 20 minutes stretching followed by 20 minutes edging.

Tomorrow will definitely be a rest day.

 

[madyogi]

Got super busy with work and family late last week and through the weekend. Logged in this morning for the first time in days to find I won the member of the month award. Nice surprise, for sure, and great reminder of how far I've come over the last 3+ months.

 

[madyogi]

4/30 -- Rest day
5/1 -- Low intensity stretch day
5/2 -- Med intensity - stretches, 300 jelqs, uli, edging
5/3 -- Intercourse Saturday night AND Sunday morning!!! Took Sunday off
5/4 -- High intensity - stretches, 450 jelq, uli, edging
5/5 -- Off Day

These workouts were sort of thrown together as I could get to them. Didn't have a great oppotunity to record structure or stress/strain. Like I said, things have been crazy busy. Today is somewhat back to normal. At least Covid normal anyway.

 

[Dangler]

The definition of normal, is left to the individual, and may vary from day to day.

 

[madyogi]

5/6 -- Low Intensity Day 3 in Current Cycle (50 minutes)

• 10-min warmup
• Manual Stretch Sequence 1 (MSS-1) x 4
• Opposing Lunge Stretches
• 100 Side-To-Sides
• Opposing Lunge Stretches Again
• 100 More Side-To-Sides
• 3 minutes uli
• 20-min edging (with climax)

Stress-Strain Measurements : Pre - 7.125", Post (right after stretching, before uli) - 7.3125" , 2.6% strain

 

[madyogi]

TGC Theory Revisited and Thoughts Moving Forward
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So, I finished my first 90 days pretty much on cloud nine with how well my PE routine was going. I gained 1" BPEL and .25" MSEG during that time. As the 90 days were coming to a close, I noticed a decrease in EQ and an increase in time to full erection. I basically chalked that up to fatigue and figured it was just time for a break. The plan was to come back after 5-7 days' rest and hit the ground running with more or less the same routine that brought me those great gains the first three months.

Now that I am roughly a week back at it, I am seriously re-considering what my program should look like moving forward. EQ has not recovered to the level I had hoped and morning wood is decreased as well. This could indicate that my tissues are fatigued and unable to relax properly to fill with blood, and that more rest is needed. That is certainly possible, and I was considering going back to break mode. It is also possible that stress is playing a role. The past several days have been super busy with family and work stuff, so that could be negatively affecting my indicators, but I generally handle stress well and am not over-anxious as a matter of temperament. While both of these factors could be plausible explanations for my current issues, I really want to keep training and outside of the EQ issues, my little guy is not feeling sore or tired.

So I kept thinking (and hoping) something else might explain my symptoms. Then BallsMahoney started this thread about his apparent plateau, and that prompted me to revisit TGC Theory to see if there was something I might be missing.

Briefly, the theory says you have two potential limitations - Tunica and Smooth Muscle.

Determining your specific limitation should guide your program design.

If Tunica is the limiting factor, your program should be skewed toward length exercises. If Smooth Muscle is the limitation, your program should be skewed toward girth. The theory describes the potential of a "gap" between these two tissues. Basically, your Tunica is like a sleeve. If your Tunica is the limiting factor (meaning your smooth muscle limit is greater than your tunica limit), your EQ will be super high, because the smooth muscle when erect is at the very edge of what the tunica sleeve can handle. To gain size in this scenario you would need to expand the capacity of the sleeve. On the flip side, if the limits of what your Tunica can handle are greater than the limits of how much your smooth muscle can expand (meaning Smooth Muscle is your limiting factor), there will be a gap leading to softer erections, and gains are more likely to be had by increasing Smooth Muscle tissue.

Okay, that's a condensed version, but that's basically the deal as I understand it now. If the theory is correct, the nature of this "gap" should tell you where gains are most likely to be had, and further, it indicates a long-term program is most likely to be successful by oscillating between girth- and length-focused cycles over time. Perhaps most importantly, it presents a possible explanation for my recent decline in EQ that doesn't indicate more rest is needed. It indicates turning my focus more toward girth.

If you've read this far, I'm impressed. I'm finally ready to get to the point.

Early in my program, Tunica was my clear limit based on the facts I had great EQ and my BPFSL was significantly lower than my BPEL. I don't have an initial BPFSL measurement, but 6 weeks in it was still .5" below my BPEL, so I can only assume it was even further below BPEL when I first started PE. Accordingly, my program so far has been skewed heavily toward length gains, and that has clearly worked. BPEL increased by 1" overall, and my BPFSL is now ~7.125", which is an increase of over an inch, even from 6 weeks into the program. And so now I find myself with a decrease in EQ and a BPFSL that is .25" greater than BPEL. The theory predicts these two indicators should move together (as BPFSL begins to exceed BPEL, EQ should start to diminish), and that's exactly what they've done.

To move forward with more of the same length-focused routines is likely to be frustrating and could exacerbate my recent EQ issues. The theory would indicate now is the time to move into a girth-focused phase, and at some point during that process my smooth muscle capacity should "catch up" with the capacity of my tunica, resulting in an increase in EQ (and theoretically BPEL), until the Tunica again becomes the limiting factor, at which point it will be time to switch back into a length-based training cycle.

The next question becomes, How do I retool my program to focus on girth for a while, and potentially prove the theory?

Perhaps it's time to invest in a Bathmate?

 

[VaultPic]

Couldn't hurt to try clamping, as long as you start off slow I feel it's a lot safer than people think. If it's not for you, a few bucks down the drain.

 

[madyogi]

Yeah, I've been looking at that. Lots of folks have good luck with it, and I feel plenty conditioned at this point. Certainly a lower price point than a bathmate.

 

[8x5Goalzz]

I'm kinda new as well, but I'd rely on traditional more proven methods before venturing into territory like that. If you gained an inch in 90 days I'd just keep doing more of the same and add the bathmate or another pump. I personally wouldn't want to risk derailing anything if you can make certain progress in one way.

 

[madyogi]

I'm kinda new as well, but I'd rely on traditional more proven methods before venturing into territory like that. If you gained an inch in 90 days I'd just keep doing more of the same and add the bathmate or another pump. I personally wouldn't want to risk derailing anything if you can make certain progress in one way.

Another fair point. I am leaning toward simply shifting my manual training to more ULI and Squeezes, with a reduction in stretching and jelqing. I just want to recover my EQ without having to stop training for an extended period of time. It seems the TCG Theory has been correct so far in predicting my EQ reduction, so I figure it's likely I can recover EQ with a more girth-focused program. I'll take tomorrow to consider precise routines going forward, but for today:

5/7 -- Two rounds of edging with 15 x 10 second horse squeezes and no climax

 

[madyogi]

So, I've been weighing my options going forward, and I think I've settled on a strategy.

I've decided to stay away from the Bathmate for now. Clamping might be an option, but I'm reluctant to start throwing devices into the mix until I recover my EQ. More rest remains a possibility if EQ doesn't improve over the next week, but if my hunch is correct, some girth work should help regain that 25% EQ or so I've been missing.

After reading through Incogneeto's log a bit, I really like his approach of breaking up the work into 2-3 shorter sessions a day as opposed to single marathon sessions like I've been doing. This is easier to manage logistically, and it gives me the opportunity to get a couple extra erections in each day.

My plan for the next week or 10 days is to eliminate stretching and focus on edging and squeezes, perhaps adding some ULIs into the mix as well. I also plan to reduce the use of porn and reduce the frequency of ejaculation, saving those pleasures mostly for when my wife and I get it on. I'll follow a pretty simple structure, 1 or 2 work days in a row with 2 or 3 edging sessions lasting 10-20 minutes with incrementally more/longer squeezes, followed by one off day. I'll do 4-5 rounds of this, then see how things feel in a week or two.

5/8 -- 2 x 15 minute edging sessions 3 hours apart, with 50 squeezes in each, porn for part of one session, no climax

I left the second session just now feeling quite energized, which is a good sign. EQ might be picking up. Difficult to tell at this point, as the difference between 65-70% and 75-80% is pretty tough to distinguish.

I'll rest the remainder of the day and probably tomorrow. My son is spending an extended weekend (tonight and tomorrow night) with grandparents, so I expect there to be some hanky panky. That will be the real test of where my EQ is at right now.

That said, I did take a measurements during the second edging (probably at 80-85% EQ), and BPEL is consistently 6.9375" so length has not suffered, still teetering on the edge of 7". Also girth is right where it has been. EG right below glans actually appears to have ticked up 1/8", so size is not an issue. I'm optimistic if a bit more frequent rest and this new focus on girth work improves EQ, I'll be set to continue seeing gains.

 

[madyogi]

5/9 -- Best sex I've had a very long time!

Late night sex episode, documented in detail here. Shows my EQ issues are going away nicely. Today will be an off day. Back to edging and squeezing tomorrow.