This is very interesting to me because the whole PE thing has always been very anecdotal which is hard for my logical brain to accept. That being said, I have always considered any flaccid measurement to have a high degree of error due to the fact that the flaccid penis is very dynamic in size. My unaroused flaccid varies by 1.5"! Anyway, I'm going to buy in and try this next week when I start my PE routine again. Will start logging daily in my log.
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This is very interesting to me because the whole PE thing has always been very anecdotal which is hard for my logical brain to accept. That being said, I have always considered any flaccid measurement to have a high degree of error due to the fact that the flaccid penis is very dynamic in size. My unaroused flaccid varies by 1.5"! Anyway, I'm going to buy in and try this next week when I start my PE routine again. Will start logging daily in my log.
I totally agree. Flaccid length is especially problematic for me because I am uncircumcised, so I have to come up with some way to account for my foreskin when flaccid. I just do the best I can and try to be consistent.
Now, let's go a bit further (could've said deeper ... oops, I did
. BPSFL (Bone Pressed Stretched Flaccid Length) should be more consistent than any other flaccid length measurement, so I'm more inclined to use this as a metric. Moreover, what I'm talking about (and what the guy in the linked thread is saying) is measuring specifically before a given workout and after a given workout. This, at least in theory, gives you an accurate picture of the stress that given workout is putting on your tissues. He even goes so far as to say you can measure before and after a given exercise within a workout to see the effect that exercise is having. I'm not interested in that level of granularity yet.All tissue will deform and reform over time (the dude has some amazing sources about tissue biomechanics in the thread I referenced that are well worth your attention if you can bear it). When tissues are put under stress, they will adapt. This is the principle that drives PE (and all exercise theory). Now, they (tissues) can adapt in both helpful and harmful ways. What defines helpful vs harmful depends on your goals, and what drives the adaptation depends on the stress put on the tissues. His thesis (at least the way I understand it at the moment) is that we can track this adaptation with Pre- and Post-BPSFL measurements that give us specific and immediate feedback as to whether or not we are triggering the desired response. If we are not eliciting the optimal adaptation, we should up our game. If we are stressing the tissues too much, we should take a break or back off.
That's the theory. I'm going to keep digging into it. My understanding is still developing at this point.
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Yes, after posting I fully read the thread and am very excited to try to BPFSL method if for nothing more than having a legitimate measurement to track on a daily basis. I've found it hard (and I shouldn't) attempt to perform BPEL measurements while I'm in the middle of a PE regimen because my EQ is less than when I'm resting. This leads to point #2 about the post you are referencing that really has me intrigued referencing rest and break periods from PE. In my strength training routine I only experienced serious muscle gains when I started following a high weight with lots of rest regimen rather than following how I started where I rarely had rest days. I was actually floored at how much muscle size I was able to gain and all because I had not ever been resting before. I think I'm going to start playing around with rest once I start my new routine next week. I had been doing 5/2 with JP90 and was kind of dissapointed by the results. Will be interesting to see if I can make better gains by doing more regular rest.
Recovery is critical, for sure. The approach I'm taking is based on Scott Sonnon's 4x7 Protocol. I studied this a long while back, and was on his Circular Strength Training forums for a couple years. I even earned a Level II CST Trainer certification before my son (on the autism spectrum) was born, and my world turned upside down. It's tough find to free info on the net about his stuff. He's very proprietary (too much so imho). Whatever the case, active recovery is built into each micro-cycle, and the waving approach of each micro-cycle is designed to create ever greater peaks on each high volume day. The idea is to go 28 days at a time (macro-cycle = 7 4-day micro-cycles), then rest for 4-8 days before starting again. It's killer for physical performance, so I figured I would try to apply it to PE and see what happens.
I'll be checking your progress log as well to see how things go for you. Stay safe! Stay well!
Holy sh*t. This is good stuff, never seen it. Makes sense. My post BPFSL is always longer than my Pre.
I'm with you on this. There are lot factors that can cause variation in your flaccid. BPFSL is going to be consistent every time.
.625 over 7 weeks is excellent madyogi. Your rate of gain is just a bit more than what mine has been since I got serious about PE. I'm about to hit month 9 of my training, so you have a "lot" to look forward to. I see you jelq more than you stretch, I am going to have to give that a try.
You get it though man, the name of the game in PE is consistency. I hate to seem like White Goodman, but are you doing any cardiovascular exercise? I am going to assume you are with how well you have gained.
Thanks, bro! Yes, I am a long-time trail runner and also do some weight training, though lately that has turned into bodyweight training since my gym shut the doors a couple weeks back. I think general exercise and maintaining a healthy body composition is critical to the journey, though not necessarily long-lasting steady-state cardio. You need to lift heavy things and do some high intensity intervals now and then too.
I was sorta giving this some thought, and I wanted to point out my analysis of LOT and TGC mentioned in my earlier post. Those items indicated a length-based program. A length-based program indicates jelqing at a lower erection level than a girth-based program. This has the added advantage of making more volume more tolerable. Food for thought.
Today is an off day. Will do some kegeling and maybe some helicopters in the shower. Otherwise, hands off.
4/3 -- Low Intensity Day (55 minutes)
Stress-Strain Measurements : Pre - 6.25", Post (immediately after stretching, before edging) - 6.5" , 4% strain
Edging with no porn (thoughts of sex with the wife), and no climax was quite nice. Left me feeling very energetic!
Also, I told myself I wasn't going to measure today, but the love muscle looked so pumped up while edging I couldn't help myself. BPEL was well over 6.5" and very close to 6.75". I haven't incremented my sig yet, because the criteria for that is 2/3 measurements over the next increment in 2 consecutive sessions. Didn't measure girth because my tape was in the other room. We'll see how things look tomorrow.
- 10-min warmup
- Manual Stretch Sequence 1 (MSS-1) x 4
- Up (30s)
- Up Left (30s)
- Up Right (30s)
- Down
- Around the World x 10 in Both Directions
- Opposing Lunge Stretches
- Up Right with Left Leg Back 30s
- Up Left with Right Leg Back 30s
- 100 Side-To-Sides
- Opposing Lunge Stretches Again
- 100 More Side-To-Sides
- 15-min edging (no climax, no porn)
- 5-min warmdown
Stress-Strain Measurements : Pre - 6.25", Post (immediately after stretching, before edging) - 6.5" , 4% strain
Edging with no porn (thoughts of sex with the wife), and no climax was quite nice. Left me feeling very energetic!
Also, I told myself I wasn't going to measure today, but the love muscle looked so pumped up while edging I couldn't help myself. BPEL was well over 6.5" and very close to 6.75". I haven't incremented my sig yet, because the criteria for that is 2/3 measurements over the next increment in 2 consecutive sessions. Didn't measure girth because my tape was in the other room. We'll see how things look tomorrow.
4/4 -- Med Intensity Day (70 minutes)
Stress-Strain Measurements -- Pre - 6.375", Post - 6.625", 3.9% strain
Held off on climax again today. Hoping for sex with the wife tonight with a big climax! If not, will let go of it during tomorrow's high intensity session.
After multiple measurements clearly over the next 1/8" increment in two consecutive sessions, I've officially upped my BPEL in my sig!
- 10-min warmup
- Manual Stretch Sequence 1 (MSS-1) x 4
- Opposing Lunge Stretches (both sides)
- 100 Side-To-Sides
- Opposing Lunge Stretches (both sides)
- 100 Side-To-Sides
- 300 jelqs (30-50% erect)
- 15-min edging (no climax, with porn)
- 5-min warmdown
Stress-Strain Measurements -- Pre - 6.375", Post - 6.625", 3.9% strain
Held off on climax again today. Hoping for sex with the wife tonight with a big climax! If not, will let go of it during tomorrow's high intensity session.
After multiple measurements clearly over the next 1/8" increment in two consecutive sessions, I've officially upped my BPEL in my sig!
4/5 -- High Intensity Day (95 minutes)
Stress-Strain Measurements -- Pre - 6.375", Post - 6.625", 3.9% strain
Had a major family meltdown late yesterday afternoon over Covid-19 business, so no sex for the mad yogi here
Orgasm today was super intense and long (over 60 secs for sure). I plan to continue this cycle with only wet orgasms on the high days (every fourth day), unless a sexual encounter presents itself. I'm really trying to help my wife through her emotions and get to a point where we can do the intimate sexuality thing together again, but it's been rough on her (and rough on me by proxy).
Workouts are going great, and gains have been more than expected already, so I'm super optimistic about the coming year. Tomorrow is an off day, and a big day for the family as we all steel ourselves to adopt a new online curriculum for our son, new methods for my wife to deliver education to her class, and me to navigate all of it with grace. I plan to stay away from the forum in order to concentrate on those things. Next update likely Tue or Wed.
Y'all stay safe/sane!
- 10-min warmup
- Manual Stretch Sequence 1 (MSS-1) x 4
- Opposing Lunge Stretches (both sides)
- 100 Side-To-Sides
- Opposing Lunge Stretches (both sides)
- 100 Side-To-Sides
- 600 jelqs (40-70% erect)
- 3 mins uli
- 20-min edging (climax, with porn)
Stress-Strain Measurements -- Pre - 6.375", Post - 6.625", 3.9% strain
Had a major family meltdown late yesterday afternoon over Covid-19 business, so no sex for the mad yogi here
Orgasm today was super intense and long (over 60 secs for sure). I plan to continue this cycle with only wet orgasms on the high days (every fourth day), unless a sexual encounter presents itself. I'm really trying to help my wife through her emotions and get to a point where we can do the intimate sexuality thing together again, but it's been rough on her (and rough on me by proxy).
Workouts are going great, and gains have been more than expected already, so I'm super optimistic about the coming year. Tomorrow is an off day, and a big day for the family as we all steel ourselves to adopt a new online curriculum for our son, new methods for my wife to deliver education to her class, and me to navigate all of it with grace. I plan to stay away from the forum in order to concentrate on those things. Next update likely Tue or Wed.
Y'all stay safe/sane!
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So, I wasn't going to spend time here today, but it has been a HELLUVA day, so I figured I would drop this note.
My wi-fi went out early, and I spent most of the day replacing a couple pieces of equipment and troubleshooting that so my wife, my son, and myself could get back online. SUCCESS!
Also, my son went to speech and occupational therapies for two hours this morning around 10:00 am, and while he was gone my wife and I had sex for the first time in weeks (and really the first time since starting PE in earnest)!!!! It was fantastic as it usually is.
A few notes:
Outside of sex and JAI, it was a day off from PE ....
My wi-fi went out early, and I spent most of the day replacing a couple pieces of equipment and troubleshooting that so my wife, my son, and myself could get back online. SUCCESS!
Also, my son went to speech and occupational therapies for two hours this morning around 10:00 am, and while he was gone my wife and I had sex for the first time in weeks (and really the first time since starting PE in earnest)!!!! It was fantastic as it usually is.
A few notes:
- EQ was fantastic, but it did take a bit longer to get to 100% erect than I recall previously.
- I'm certain now she could care less about my size .... "big enough" is plenty "good enough" for her .... and I would guess the same goes for most women interested in long-term relationships, assuming you "know what you're doing". The ol' "not the size of the boat, but the motion in the ocean that matters" phrase holds true.
- I definitely noticed as she was stroking my cock, that there was more coming out the top of her hand than usual, which made me happy!
- I also noticed increased sensitivity and an ability to pump harder for longer. As she was cumming super hard, I was able to keep pumping and changing angles, really driving her crazy, then going super deep and hard to get myself close before pulling out to finish. Overall, great love-making session, and much needed on an otherwise very stressful day.
Outside of sex and JAI, it was a day off from PE ....
4/7 -- Low Intensity Day (55 minutes)
Stress-Strain Measurements : Pre - 6.625", Post (immediately after stretching, before edging) - 6.8125" , 2.8% strain
Interesting to watch my BPSFL go up (almost with each session), while strain goes down. Planning to finish this cycle out as is, then re-evaluate during the break in about 10 days.
- 10-min warmup
- Manual Stretch Sequence 1 (MSS-1) x 4
- Opposing Lunge Stretches
- 100 Side-To-Sides
- Opposing Lunge Stretches Again
- 100 More Side-To-Sides
- 15-min edging (with climax)
- 5-min warmdown
Stress-Strain Measurements : Pre - 6.625", Post (immediately after stretching, before edging) - 6.8125" , 2.8% strain
Interesting to watch my BPSFL go up (almost with each session), while strain goes down. Planning to finish this cycle out as is, then re-evaluate during the break in about 10 days.
4/8 -- Med Intensity Day (70 minutes)
Stress-Strain Measurements -- Pre - 6.625", Post - 6.875" (10 min after edging and climax), 3.8% strain
- 10-min warmup
- MSS-1 x 4
- Opposing Lunge Stretches (both sides)
- 100 Side-To-Sides
- Opposing Lunge Stretches (both sides)
- 100 Side-To-Sides
- 350 jelqs (30-50% erect)
- 3 rounds uli (30s with each = 1 round)
- 15-min edging (with climax)
Stress-Strain Measurements -- Pre - 6.625", Post - 6.875" (10 min after edging and climax), 3.8% strain
A Few Reflections on my Journey (8 weeks in)
Since my wife and I had sex Monday for the first time in probably 6 weeks, I have been reflecting on my PE journey and its purpose. I started PE basically 8 weeks ago, so this love making session was the first since any appreciable gains. While I noticed some differences I mentioned in a previous post, it was clear my wife could care less. She had the same amazing experience she has 95% of the time.
I had myself convinced I was starting PE for both my wife and me, but the reality is she has never expressed displeasure or even a "meh" at my size. We have been together for 16 years (married for 12), and I can still remember her telling me my size was a "perfect fit" when we first started having sex. We have always had great sex (except for a handful of times). I know how to push her buttons multiple ways, and our sex life has even improved over the years to the point that we are using more toys and watching some porn (what I would call "classy" porn, not just the ol' in-out-in-out stuff) together during some sessions.
Still, I have always been a little self-conscious about my size, never really thinking I was small, but on the low side of average for sure. Further, I found I was limited in my ability to be creative with positions and angles because of my lack of length. None of these feelings were brought on by anything my wife said or did. She has always appeared thoroughly satisfied by our sexual encounters.
Yesterday evening I had on a pair of shorts that are a bit big for me, and the crotch of these shorts are seamed a bit low. When I used to go commando in such shorts, I might have noticed my balls brushing against the crotch seam, but my cock was never long enough to do so. Last night I noticed the sensation of my dick brushing against the seam as it swung back and forth. This was very pleasant.
Also, when my wife and I were having sex Monday I noticed much more of my cock sticking out of the top of her hand when she was stroking me, and I also noted more freedom with angles as I was pumping her toward orgasm. I do think my control is better as well, though I've never really had issues with staying power, per se.
Finally, I took out her favorite dildo during my edging post-PE today, and I'm only about 1/2" shy of its length. That's something I couldn't have said 8 weeks ago!
All of this is to say I have come to the conclusion that this journey is really about me ... and that's okay. This is about my own confidence, and my own freedom to be creative during sex. My wife could care less about my size because I have always made sex about the two of us being together and pleasuring each other to the max. That said, I still want to hit my goals in the interest of more flexibility in terms of angles/positions, increased EQ, and better arousal control.
Onward!
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Samesies, I tried to approach my then fiance (now wife) about PE early in our relationship. She's a healthcare provider and was taken aback. She said "Your penis is perfect, it hits the right spots and it's not small. I've seen many smaller than you, Idk why you want a bigger penis."
At that point I realized any growing in this area was totally for me, and I still believe that. Like you, our sex has always been great, and she's never been like "you know what I want to try? A giant honking dildo." So she's no size queen clearly.
I did have an amazing experience the other night though and if you care to you can see it over int he success forum (the thread about "what has your partner said or think") It truly felt amazing, for me.
At that point I realized any growing in this area was totally for me, and I still believe that. Like you, our sex has always been great, and she's never been like "you know what I want to try? A giant honking dildo." So she's no size queen clearly.
I did have an amazing experience the other night though and if you care to you can see it over int he success forum (the thread about "what has your partner said or think") It truly felt amazing, for me.
4/9 -- High Intensity Day (85 minutes)
Stress-Strain Measurements -- Pre - 6.875", Post - 7", 1.8% strain
Off day tomorrow.
- No time for warmup
- Manual Stretch Sequence 1 (MSS-1) x 4
- Opposing Lunge Stretches (both sides)
- 100 Side-To-Sides
- Opposing Lunge Stretches (both sides)
- 100 Side-To-Sides
- 700 jelqs (40-70% erect)
- 5 mins uli
- 10-min edging (with 5x10 horse squeezes interspersed and climax, with porn)
Stress-Strain Measurements -- Pre - 6.875", Post - 7", 1.8% strain
Off day tomorrow.
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Looks like a good solid routine here. You've ramped up to quite an intensity over the cycle.
Good gains man. Look forward to your continued progress.
Good gains man. Look forward to your continued progress.
