MadYogi's PE Log

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EDIT (7/19/2020) :

Progress logs like this, written by folks who made significant gains and documented pretty much every exercise and thought they had during the process, are super valuable. They are great for the individual to be able to go back and see what was working when, and they are essential to others who come along later to learn what might work for them.

That said, these logs can be difficult to go through, so I hope this edit provides something of a "Table of Contents" to make navigating my progress log easier going forward.

PHASE 1 : Prior to this log, I did an abbreviated version of JP90. A link to everything I did prior to starting this log can be found in post #95.

PHASE 2 : From the start of this log until about post #69, I utilized a four day waving intensity paradigm, the details of which can be found throughout this log, and in the living document link from post #117.

After Phase 2 I wrote this post describing some EQ problems and revisiting TGC Theory before changing the structure of my routine.

EQ issues stopped around post #87.

I shared further thoughts on Ejaculation Frequency and EQ in post #116, and posted a link to a living document of resources on WorkFlowy in post #117.

While still rethinking my routine, I started working toward MMO/DO at the end of May, 2020. See post #119.

PHASE 3 : I settled into a new program around the first of June, 2020, focused on wet jelqing and edging, preparing for clamped edging to come later. This starts at post #139.

I hit my BPEL goal after nearly five months of PE on July 1, 2020 (post #185).

PHASE 4 : After a wonderful vacation with my wife, I added clamped edging to my previous routine, as well as some EQ work I got from Incogneeetoe's log. This is my current routine as I try to add a bit more length and get to my girth goal by the end of year one of PE.

PHASE 5 (ADDED 12/1/2020) : A whole bunch of life factors led to an extended break mid-September 2020. Once everything settled down after Thanksgiving, I got back to it, with the goal of getting to 8" x 5.75" by my PE anniversary date in February 2021.

PHASE 6 (ADDED 11/11/2021) : I didn't actually make 8" by Feb 2021, but was flirting with it by April. In March, we built 3 raised garden beds at the house, and I became obsessed with that, then summer meant my wife and son were home full time, then I started a new job. So, very limited PE work from April thru November. I then found myself in a similar situation in 2021 as in 2020, getting back to it in November with renewed enthusiasm.

PHASE 7 (ADDED 8/11/2025) : Phase 6 was essentially a false start. My last consistent PE work really ended in April of 2021. I lost roughly .75" of length gains and .25" of girth gains over about 4.5 years, after having gained almost 2" length and a solid .5" girth over my first 1.5 years of PE. This should illustrate that these gains are real and possible, but also that they are not totally permanent if PE is completely abandoned for an extended period of time. In early August of 2025, I started back with a new routine that focused on red light therapy as a warmup, followed by manual stretching, then vacuum pumping, still with the goal of pushing toward 8" x 6". This post describes the start of Phase 7.

ORIGINAL CONTENT (3/25/2020) :

This will be my official progress/activity log going forward.

I started with the basics on 2/6/2020 and worked my way up to a pretty solid routine with 15 mins of stretching and 500+ jelqs on my workout days. I have a background in fitness, so I understand the value of recovery and the principles of adaptation and progressive loading.

I am targeting length, but any girth gains would be welcome. At this point I have only really been tracking BPEL as a metric, and I have gained .625" in the past 7 weeks. I started at 5.825" and yesterday felt confident in a measurement of 6.5". I measure BPEL with a tailor's tape pressed to pubic bone and laid flat against the top of my shaft all the way to the tip of my member. I tend to add by 1/8" increments, and typically don't add an increment until I have had two consecutive sessions with at least 2 out of 3 measurements at or slightly above the next increment. Hope that makes sense.

Here was yesterday's work:
  • 10 minute warmup
  • 20 minutes multi-angle stretching
  • 600 jelqs (30-35 minutes)
  • 15 minutes edging with climax

Today is an off day. My current program is a four-day intensity wave, which basically looks like:
  • No Intensity (off)
  • Low Intensity (basic stretching)
  • Med Intensity (basic stretching, some jelqs, kegel workout)
  • High Intensity (yesterday's workout)

Then the cycle repeats. The plan is to do this for 28 days (7 cycles) starting today, then reassess.

We'll see how it goes.
 
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Dang, 5/8" in 7 weeks? That's a good gain. Any chance you think that's any part EQ? I know when I started I observed about a 1/4" gain because I was refraining from ejaculating as much so I lent a 1/4" of length "gain" to EQ.
 

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Nice gains! Can I suggest getting a wood ruler for your BPEL measurement? Taylor's tape won't be as accurate as a hard ruler. I use one of the paint stirring sticks from Home Depot, they work very good for this (and they're free)! Only problem is they only go up to 7" so you'll eventually need to add some additional marks for when you blast past 7" bpel!
 
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Dang, 5/8" in 7 weeks? That's a good gain. Any chance you think that's any part EQ? I know when I started I observed about a 1/4" gain because I was refraining from ejaculating as much so I lent a 1/4" of length "gain" to EQ.

It's possible, but my EQ has always been quite good. I don't ejaculate every session, but I haven't been refraining on purpose either. My thinking is that the gains are pretty accurate, though as Balls points out the actual measurement might be different with a hard ruler.

I've been super consistent over this time, with about a two week build up, then three days a week with increasing volume each week. Also, I work from home and had the luxury of devoting as much time as I needed to a given workout. That's changed a bit with the wife and kid being home all the time due to Coronavirus, but I'm working around it.
 

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Nice gains! Can I suggest getting a wood ruler for your BPEL measurement? Taylor's tape won't be as accurate as a hard ruler. I use one of the paint stirring sticks from Home Depot, they work very good for this (and they're free)! Only problem is they only go up to 7" so you'll eventually need to add some additional marks for when you blast past 7" bpel!

Yeah, I will probably start tracking both going forward. Will be interesting to see if it makes a difference. Today is a high intensity day, so should be a good day for measurements.
 

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3/25 -- Off Day
3/26 -- 15-20 minutes of stretches in shower (Low Day)
3/27 -- 15 min stretches, 150 jelqs, 3 rounds uli (1 round = 30 with each hand), 10 min edging with climax (Med Day)
 
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3/28 -- 10 min warmup, 20 min stretches, 600 jelqs, 15 min edging with climax (High Day)
3/29 -- Off Day
 

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I will say that I measured using both the tailor's tape and a wood ruler yesterday during my workout, and both came out 6.5" BPEL. I'll continue to use both, and won't post any gains until I have the next 1/8" increment (or slightly more) in 2 of 3 measurements (on both tape and ruler) for two consecutive sessions.
 

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Congrats on the gains! That's some insane volume you're working with. What erection % and grip hardness are you using during your jelqs? At 80-90% erection with a medium-hard grip I can barely knock out 100 jelqs before it feels too beat to keep going.
 

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I typically try to jelq at 40-70%. On a heavy day, I will cycle up and down in that range for about 30-45 mins, which gets me the 600 or so jelqs. I usually have some porn going in the background to maintain at least the 40%. If I get more erect than 70% I tend to stop the porn or take a walk until I'm back down to 50-ish percent erect. This has worked pretty well so far. I agree, jelqing at 80-90% with any significant reps is not comfortable.
 
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3/30 -- 10 min warmup, 15 min stretches, 150 jelqs, 4x 30 sec uli, 10 min edging with climax (Low Intensity Day)
 

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Good looking program yogi! Keep it up. My length shot way up very early too, its a huge motivator to continue PE.
 

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Thanks, Balls. It's definitely a motivator when you see an 1/8" every 2 weeks or so. I'm hoping it continues, but I keep thinking a plateau is coming. We'll see. I'm definitely looking at this as a 1-2 year journey, so I'm just getting started.
 

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It'll probably slow down after a while, but my guess is you could ride this wave a while longer. Your BPEL goal is definitely achievable. If you stop PE you will lose some of your gains. I look at it as a few years to grow, and a lifetime to maintain.
 

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3/31 -- 10 min warmup, 20 min stretches, 300 jelqs, 3 rounds of uli, 5x10 Erect Squeezes, 10 min edging with climax (Med Day, 60mins)

Mid-Shaft Girth is starting to tick up. I'll add girth stats/goals to my sig.
 

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This is motivating just because I started back in February and see that you're making progress. Im hoping to hit this month conitnuing a decent program and seeing some growth
 

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This is motivating just because I started back in February and see that you're making progress. Im hoping to hit this month conitnuing a decent program and seeing some growth

Nice, Slither ... we're all in this together (to borrow a COVID-19 cliche). Seriously, it's good to have a community showing progress to keep you on track as an individual. Stick with it, bro!
 

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4/1 -- 10 min warmup, 20 min stretches, 600 jelqs (~35 min), 3 rounds of uli (~5 mins), 10 min edging with 5x10s Erect Squeezes interspersed and climax

This was a high volume day. Tomorrow will be a rest day, and will mark the completion of 3 4-day micro-cycles in this "new" program I am kinda putting together on the fly based on previous fitness program periodization techniques. It remains to be seen if it will translate. My plan is to see this macro-cycle through to Friday, April 17, which will be 7 micro-cycles. At that point, I'll be at 10 weeks into my program. Not quite 90 days, so I might extend it if gains are still coming, I still have positive indicators, and I haven't blown the stress-strain curve based on BPSFL (see my next post in this thread for more details on that).

NOTE : When I count jelqs I'm counting every rep, not both hands as one rep. I realized this might be confusing or misleading after reading more up on the exercises. Some places count both hands as a single rep. That's not how I'm rolling.
 

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Okay, let's do some program design theory. My style is to absorb as much as I can about a new subject to feel relatively informed, then try to talk it out with others who are also relatively informed (some more, some less than me). I think everyone benefits from this process, so please feel free to chime in if you have thoughts/expertise to offer.

Let's set some baselines:


  • My main goal in the short term is length.
  • My LOT is in the downward position.
  • My BPSFL is 6" while my BPEL is 6.5" which would indicate my limitation is Tunica.
  • Further, my EQ is generally 9+/10.

The baselines indicate a program emphasizing length is a good idea at this point, particularly one concentrating on upward/straight out stretches. According to How To: Routine Creation, this calls for roughly 30% girth work and 60% length work.

Okay, so let's look at my routine from today:


  • 20 min stretches (all length, concentrating on up stretches at various angles)
  • 35 min jelqs (50/50 length and girth, with concentration on lower EL, upward angles, and a bit more tug to finish)
  • 5 min uli (50/50 length and girth)
  • 1 min erect squeezes (all girth and during edging)

This roughly breaks down to 35% girth and 65% length. I am basically good with that breakdown. Plus, my Low and Med Volume days are more stilted toward length than this one is, so overall I expect a given micro-cycle to be right around 70/30 length/girth. If anyone disagrees with my calculations/understanding so far, please let me know.

The next post is going to get deeper into the weeds. Come along if you like.
 
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Okay, so deeper we go. I came across a great thread on another PE site (Thunder's) the other day, and I'm honestly still digesting it, but it's my kinda sh*t. I can't post the link here, because of forum rules, but the title is "The Long Game - Learning with Longer Stretch". If you put that title into a search engine, you should be able to find the thread.

On this thread, the guy discusses at length (yes, I know, the puns are flowing) a BPSFL based routine design strategy that incorporates the stress-strain curve from physics and a fair bit of knowledge about fibrous tissue biomechanics. It's definitely worth a read, if you can stick with it. I'm still working through it myself.

That said, I did start tracking my Pre-workout BPSFL vs Post-workout BPSFL (10 mins post workout) to see if any of it translates. My Pre-BPSFL today was 6" and Post-BPSFL was 6.25". If you read the thread linked above, you'll find an equation to get the amount of strain [(Post / Pre) - 1] * 100 = percent strain. So my strain for today was 4.167%.

You have to read through the thread to get the details, but the basic idea is that you want to sit between 2-5% strain (newbs can be closer to 5% while veterans should be lower in the range). Too little and you're not doing enough. Too much and you're doing too much.

Like I said, I still haven't digested all of it, but the guy is putting forth a model to use BPSFL to "signal" when it's time for a break. There are obviously other good reasons to take a break (bad indicators, stalled progress, etc), but this seems promising to me, as the other reasons mentioned are probably lagging indicators. I plan to explore this more as I move forward on my PE journey. Would love to hear thoughts from the community as they arise.
 
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