MadYogi's PE Log

[madyogi]

Yeah, sounds familiar. I never got to where I couldn't ejaculate per se, but it would take me a while to get to full erection, and I could lose it quick. I still don't know exactly what caused my issues. My guess is probably just fatigue. I was working at high volumes and gaining length like crazy (1/8" every 7-10 days). I ultimately took about 20 days off from stretching and jelqing, and everything returned with no loss in gains. During the break I did edging and squeezing most days, and I reduced the frequency of ejaculation to about twice a week.

I don't think it's a cause for long-term concern, but EQ concerns me day to day, because I have a partner and I want to be ready to go when it's go time. That's the whole point. Being bigger is nice, but not if I can't get super hard. Plus, since I've gained over 1" already, and I'm only .5" from my goal, so I'm definitely not in a hurry like I was at first. I'm paying more attention to EQ and if I notice a drop off that lasts more than a day, I'm looking to take a few days off. Again, it doesn't seem to negatively impact gains, and it appears I can get back to it for a couple of weeks and get another 1/8".

We'll see. Like I said, long weekend full of home projects ahead, so not much time for PE for me.

 

[8x5Goalzz]

Ok gotcha. Now that I took your advice of going with longer jelqing sessions I think I also am at that 1/8 inch per week pace. I didn't officially hit 7.25, but I was able to hit 7 with not that high of an EQ so I suspect I could hit 7.25 if I ever did get to 100%. I kinda wanna ride this out and see how big I can get it's addicting. I'm gonna try and not measure for a long time to give my skin down there a chance to heal.

I am a man getting zero action so if I get an 8 inch pipe that only goes up once a week it's all good with me!

That's awesome how much you gained though! I think since you want girth you should really try the bathmate or some other pump. Girth gains aren't my expertise but pumping and clamping seem to work super well. I've never been a fan of manual girth exercises.

 

[madyogi]

Yeah, if I were in your position, I'd probably keep pressing for gains and figure out the EQ situation later. I'm pretty confident you can get that back to 100% with a couple weeks off.

As far as pulling the trigger on a bathmate, I'm on the fence. I did buy some clamps at Home Depot a week ago, but haven't used them yet. My thinking has always been get as much as I can with manual work before going to a device. I really want to hit my length goal of 7.5" by July, when I have a getaway planned for my wife and me for our anniversary. Three nights in a cabin overlooking a river valley, with a hot tub on the deck outside the master bedroom. Should be prime love making there. But I've gotta balance EQ with size gains to be the best I can be for that.

There was a guy, GettingThere101, who posted this over on the "What has your g/f said" thread about his program :

I have been doing the exercises described here for a couple years now and have had good results. My wife does not know about or care about exercises or devices I have used. However, my increase in length and girth has had a significant impact on her enjoyment of sex. Our sessions are intense and she thoroughly enjoyers them. In the past she was quiet and not so animated. Now she is like a different woman.

My daily routine (5 day schedule):
Morning - 250 stretches, 100 squeezes, 100 jelgs
Mid Day - 20 to 25 minutes using BathMate (80% erect)
Before bed - 250 stretches, 100 squeezes, 100 jelgs

The system actually works well but patience and persistence are the key.

Looks like a totally doable program, and his gains over 2-3 years have been impressive, to say the least. I'm not out for near that much girth, I think his sig says 7" MEG, but it's got me thinking about breaking up my workouts into "two-a-days", slightly shorter jelq and stretch focused workouts, along with one clamping or pumping session in between for girth ......

 

[BallsMahoney]

Hey Yogi. If you're on the fence about Bathmate go ahead and jump off it lol! Its a great tool! I'm also a clamper, and a believer in that tool as well. Just be careful when starting clamping. I went hard in the paint with clamping many months ago and it can destroy your EQ if too aggressive too early. Just ease into it very slowly.

 

[madyogi]

Thanks for the info on clamping, Balls. I'm getting close to a commitment on the Bathmate. Still not sure which model to get. I would really want one I can put on and let work for me while standing in the shower, so I guess I would need one with a strap?

 

[madyogi]

Yesterday and today (5/22-5/23) are off days. Hopefully I'll be able to find time to get a workout in tomorrow, but this is a busy weekend. I did wake up at least 3 times with erections throughout the night and had a rager around 6:30 before getting up for the day. EQ is returning to full power. While I still see no evidence that frequent ejaculation has a negative impact on gains, I'm pretty convinced it has a negative impact on EQ, at least while training. The past couple of weeks (while training), I've noticed a decline in EQ for a couple of days after ejaculation, then it picks up again until the next climax. This cycle has repeated itself probably 3 times in recent weeks. Interesting.

 

[VaultPic]

While I still see no evidence that frequent ejaculation has a negative impact on gains, I'm pretty convinced it has a negative impact on EQ, at least while training. The past couple of weeks (while training), I've noticed a decline in EQ for a couple of days after ejaculation, then it picks up again until the next climax. This cycle has repeated itself probably 3 times in recent weeks. Interesting.

I agree with you yogi. I try to only ejaculate once a week to keep EQ super high for girth work.

 

[Aluxubu000]

Hi brother, i'm newbie to Pegym and following JP90 right now. But can i ask your schedule of Stretching. In 15-20mins stretch, how would u do ? Stretch 4 ways and how long u keep ? And how many sets is it ?

Sorry i'm not 100% english

 

[madyogi]

Welcome Aluxubu!

I came up with two sequences I've used.

Manual Stretch Sequence 1 (1 rep of the sequence takes about 10 minutes) :

• Helicopter Twirls (15-30 seconds in both directions)
• Multi-Directional Stretching (hold stretch in the following directions for 30 seconds, then move to the next direction)
  • Up, Up-Right, Up-Left, Down
• Lunge Stretches on both sides (hold 30 seconds on each)
  • While in a lunge with right foot forward, left foot back, stretch the penis Up-Right
  • While in a lunge with left foot forward, right foot back, stretch the penis Up-Left
• 100 Side-To-Side Stretches (back and forth from right to left counts as one rep)

Manual Stretch Sequence 2 (1 rep of the sequence takes about 5 minutes) :

• Helicopter Twirls (15-30 seconds in both directions)
• Multi-Directional Stretching (hold stretch in the following directions for 30 seconds, then move to the next direction)
  • Up, Up-Right, Up-Left, Down, Down-Right, Down-Left
• 100 Side-To-Side Stretches (back and forth from right to left counts as one rep)

I have used both over time. When I first ramped up, I was doing 20 minutes of stretching per workout, so I would do 2 repetitions of Manual Stretch Sequence 1. Now I am stretching only 10 minutes per workout, so I usually do 2 repetitions of Manual Stretch Sequence 2.

Good luck on your journey!

 

[madyogi]

So, turns out the wife had to go run an errand so I got a chance to sneak in a short workout before I showered from a day of working outside.

5/23 -- 4:20pm - 4:50pm

• Manual Stretch Sequence 2 (~7 minutes)
• 200 jelqs (~13 minutes)
• ~10 minutes edging with 150 erect squeezes, no climax

This is a really great short workout for when I get an unexpected opportunity, and I'm not so fatigued I need a rest day. Left me feeling quite energized for the evening.

 

[Jason342]

Please share your detailed daily routine with me. I've just started my jp90 3 month journey and hope to gain before i move onto the advanced techniques. Post videos if possible so i can make sure i'm performing the techniques correctly.

 

[madyogi]

Please share your detailed daily routine with me. I've just started my jp90 3 month journey and hope to gain before i move onto the advanced techniques. Post videos if possible so i can make sure i'm performing the techniques correctly.

I'm going to put together a resource for such questions, but that will take me a bit so check back in a couple days for that. That said, the details are all here on my log for those who really want them. Every workout I've done since late March is detailed here. Additionally, there is a link in this post to every workout I did prior to that to get conditioned. Anyone could just pick a day to start, match that up with the first day of my log, then "follow along". That said, I am working on a simple resource, so sit tight and look for a link in a couple of days.

 

[madyogi]

My wife started her period yesterday, so no action for me this weekend, though it would have been perfect as my EQ is off the charts. Woke up this morning with multiple erections, same as yesterday, but today they were even more firm. After my wife got up to start her day, I went into my office (just off our bedroom) with a raging hard on, and decided to take a couple of measurements, just to check in, with no exercises to prep things, just straight up morning wood. I verified BPEL is holding strong at 7" or perhaps 1/16" over that, then I was really feeling like my guy was super wide, so I pulled out my tailor's tape to measure girth. Low and behold I've picked up 1/8" EG at base and mid-shaft. Really encouraging to discover that!

 

[madyogi]

5/24 -- 3:20pm - 3:55pm

• MSS-2 (1 time through)
• 300 jelqs
• 10 minutes edging with 150 erect squeezes, no climax

 

[Cpt. Jean-Luc Dickhard]

Thanks for the info on clamping, Balls. I'm getting close to a commitment on the Bathmate. Still not sure which model to get. I would really want one I can put on and let work for me while standing in the shower, so I guess I would need one with a strap?

Sure you can try one, I got the strap and it does work but I don't use it - just don't like wearing it as I feel like you still need to move carefully even while wearing it. So I just shower as normal and then do the bathmate reps after I've finished showering, just stay in the bathroom for 20 extra minutes and put some podcasts or YouTube videos on so I don't get bored.

 

[madyogi]

Age, Ejaculation Frequency, and Erection Quality​

Humans are complex biological systems, and like most things involved in such systems Erection Quality (EQ) is multifactorial. We all know stress, anxiety, and general mind-fuckery can take a heavy toll on EQ. Nutrition plays a role. Fitness plays a role. You get the idea.

Now for some quick background, about 10 years ago, give or take a few - let’s call it my early to mid thirties - I began to notice a change in my EQ. My wife and I were married, and had been together at least five years. I think it was shortly after we had our son.

Drinking beer and smoking a little pot on the weekends was always a favorite pastime of ours. She is most wild and horny when she’s about 1-1.5 sheets to the wind. As she approaches 2 sheets, it starts to get iffy, and when she’s totally sober sex is more subdued. Anyway, I never had an issue “rising to the occasion” until about 10 years ago. At that point, my EQ started to be hit or miss. Sometimes my guy worked his magic, sometimes not. My wife was always very supportive, and I always satisfied her in multiple ways, but this did not sit well with me. And it only got worse over time.

I quickly came to the conclusion it was the beer. Alcohol thins the blood, so it would make sense this was having a negative impact on EQ, and the older I got the worse the impact. Simple, right?

Maybe. But one thing I never took into consideration was ejaculation frequency. I don’t have records of how often I masturbated over the years, but it’s safe to say, between masturbation and sex, I’ve cum 3-5 times a week (give or take) going back much farther than when I met my wife.

Flash forward to recent months, and my Penis Exercising (PE) journey. Late in 2019 and early 2020, my performance was considerably hit or miss. I still assumed my EQ problems were almost entirely due to the combination of age and alcohol consumption. During the same time period, however, I was working from home as a software engineer, and I was masturbating as much (if not more) than ever. Ejaculation frequency was still easily 3-5 times weekly, and sex was pretty infrequent as my wife was quite stressed at work last fall, and on into 2020.

PE offered an opportunity for me to explore my sexuality in a new way, and potentially grow my member and improve my performance. I had great results with length gains. I became much more “in touch” with the ebbs and flows of EQ. At some point along the way, my wife became much more likely to be “in the mood,” and we had several successive encounters where I couldn’t get it up.

I immediately went back to my assumption about alcohol, and I combined this assumption with PE fatigue as an additional factor. Not once did I really consider ejactulation frequency. Then I took a break from PE. I had a great night of sex during my PE break, and I was excited to go for more gains.

But no more than 10 days into my new training cycle, my EQ was suffering again, alcohol or not. Simultaneously, I was taking note of the fact I felt more energized when I left an edging session without climaxing. A pretty clear pattern began to emerge: If I climaxed, EQ suffered for several days before returning to normal upon abstaining from ejaculation.

To bring this rant full circle, the more I thought about it, the more it made sense from the perspective of complex biological systems. My subjective experience is attached to a male human body. From a strictly biological/evolutionary perspective, male human bodies are designed to reproduce successfully, which depends on the ability to produce frequent, rigid erections and inseminate a woman (ejaculate). This ability has a metabolic expense and is historically the job of young adults and even teenagers. As we age it becomes more important to provide sustenance and pass on knowledge/skills, also metabolically expensive. Given all this, it only makes sense that your body prioritizes frequent erections and ejaculation when you’re 18, but as you age, not so much.

Of course, none of this is to say things like stress, nutrition, lifestyle choices, and various forms of mind-fuckery aren’t important factors in EQ. It’s just to say that ejaculation frequency is often overlooked as an important factor, and it only becomes more important as you age. At least that’s my current thinking.

So what now? Probably time to explore Dry Orgasms with a bit more seriousness?

 

[madyogi]

I have been asked by numerous folks to share the details of my workouts. Of course, those details are all here on this log for those willing to dig around and find the relevant posts. That said, I do like to take stock of things often and consolidate what has worked and consider what I want to do going forward. This log has been great for collecting such observations, but I went ahead and put together a resource on Workflowy that is consolidated in a way this log never will be.

This resource is a living document and should be considered the distillation of what has worked for me so far. I hope it helps others on their journey.

MadYogi's PE Details on Workflowy

All that said, I'm still a relative noob at this. While my gains have been fantastic, there are many others around here with much more knowledge than myself. If you want true "guidance" I would suggest getting with Big Al for a personalized routine.

 

[madyogi]

5/26 -- 10:55am - 11:55am

• 10-minute warmup
• MSS-2 x 2 (~10 minutes)
• 300 jelqs (~20 minutes)
• 15 minutes edging with 200 erect squeezes, with climax
• 5-minute warmdown

I continue to love this workout. It's easy to adapt to time/privacy/fatigue constraints by adding/subtracting time to any of the three elements (stretching, jelqing, edging), and it just feels great.

I hit 7.125" on a few measurements at peak EQ, so that's good news. I expect it will be another week before that's official, though, as I like to have multiple measurements slightly above the next increment in two consecutive sessions to feel confident I'm really gaining.

I did decide to go ahead and climax today. It's been 6 days since my last ejaculation. For the past 3 days I've been waking up multiple times with erections, and EQ is through the roof, after being lackluster for a couple days after ejaculating twice in three days. It will be interesting to see how my EQ and morning woods look over the next couple of days.

I do have some observations I want on the record regarding my orgasm today. I was edging with some really classy porn, a three-girl scene from my most recent vendor of choice WOW-Girls, and I stood up when I was ready to cum. I'm really interested in exploring Dry Orgasm and/or Multiple Male Orgasm, so I was trying to find PONR and rest there. It's pretty easy for me to get right there, and even have a few pulses, feeling a bit of semen start to rise, sort of a half or partial orgasm, but the full on DO is still something of a mystery without employing manual methods like a hard squeeze at the base of the penis, or pressing on the PF. I'm not really interested in that as much as I'm interested in extending the actual orgasm or having an orgasm without the ejaculation that doesn't require manual intervention.

Anyway, I'm standing there, and I'm really close. I stop stroking fast and just squeeze around my erection, really feeling it, and slowly moving up and down, and this tingling starts to move down my legs and back up my spine, and I'm having an orgasm at that point, but ejaculating yet.

So here's the thing, I'm not sure what to do at that point. Like, I could probably abort the ejaculation by letting go of my peen and breathing through it, but I want the orgasm to continue, so I squeeze slightly harder, maybe stroke it slowly a bit more, and then, after about 10-20 seconds, the spasm kegels start and the semen flows. I'll probably start a thread about this to get more thoughts from guys who have more experience with this, but it was certainly notable to me.

 

[madyogi]

Woke up this morning to rock hard erection about 6:30 am. I think I can safely stick to 1 climax per week without jeopardizing EQ at this point, and that feels like comfortable spot to be as I try to get this last .5" BPEL to hit my goal.

I started reading Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide, and I have committed to working my way through his progressions. My PF is pretty balanced and I have some experience with these exercises over the years, but my plan is to start at Level 0 and progress judiciously. No need to be in a hurry.

 

[madyogi]

5/27 -- 10:20am - 11:30am

• 5-minute warmup
• MSS-2 x 2 (~10 minutes)
• 450 jelqs (~30 minutes)
• 20 minutes edging with 300 erect squeezes, no climax
• 5-minute warmdown

WOW. Had extended private time, knew an off day was coming tomorrow, and felt great going into the workout, so I really went for it today. We'll see how my guy feels tomorrow.