Locating and Activating the Ischiocavernosus Muscle (IC) to obtain more 'Penis Power'
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How can this be done in practice? Can I do it with my hand in the crotch?
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no, it`s inside.
In practice, you need to be aware of the muscle and then engage it. It's similar to engaging a small muscle in your face.
Having an erection and pushing the erection down and to the side and then internally working against it is engaging the IC muscle.
(but it also might engage the BC muscle, bulbospongiosis, which many find to be easier to notice. And then you just avoid using the BC to make the movement)
There's no easy way to train the IC like training the biceps muscle with a biceps curl. Once you are aware it`s very easy though lol
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Hey schwanz,
I read a lot of your posts and I learned about the different muscles of the pelvic floor like how the IC keeps blood in, BC is what pushes the blood in, not too sure how the PC helps with EQ ( if you could fill in this blank that would be great )
I know isolating the IC is basically a very light bc kegal (the motion is like pulling the penis in) , Isolating the bc is the full kegal which you feel in the middle (right under you) and I believe PC is back toward the anus
Knowing these 3 muscles what routine would you recommend as far as Kegals both normal and RK to achieve full pelvic floor balance and 10/10 EQ?
I am using the quick extender pro in attempt to get length. What do you recommend for girth and the mushroom head you achieved?
I read a lot of your posts and I learned about the different muscles of the pelvic floor like how the IC keeps blood in, BC is what pushes the blood in, not too sure how the PC helps with EQ ( if you could fill in this blank that would be great )
I know isolating the IC is basically a very light bc kegal (the motion is like pulling the penis in) , Isolating the bc is the full kegal which you feel in the middle (right under you) and I believe PC is back toward the anus
Knowing these 3 muscles what routine would you recommend as far as Kegals both normal and RK to achieve full pelvic floor balance and 10/10 EQ?
I am using the quick extender pro in attempt to get length. What do you recommend for girth and the mushroom head you achieved?
Hey 
thx for posting, I enjoy PM's but rather discuss in the forums so more input is had cause we still dont know how it all works fully.
thx for posting, I enjoy PM's but rather discuss in the forums so more input is had cause we still dont know how it all works fully. I read through the whole topic a couple of times, tried a lot of things, but still having trouble activating this muscle.
I think I am able to activate it slightly when flaccid, but when erect, seems like no activation.
Also if I do erect Kegel my penis jumps up and down, but later EQ drops, maybe because I activated too much of BC.
And you would expect opposite if only IC is activated.
Will be persistent and try a couple of more days to see if any progress. Does anyone have anything new, that hasn't been said here, to help?
I think I am able to activate it slightly when flaccid, but when erect, seems like no activation.
Also if I do erect Kegel my penis jumps up and down, but later EQ drops, maybe because I activated too much of BC.
And you would expect opposite if only IC is activated.
Will be persistent and try a couple of more days to see if any progress. Does anyone have anything new, that hasn't been said here, to help?
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I have stated previously this is a difficult muscle to isolate . When you think on the issues many have with any kind of rk I am surprised there has not been more mention of isolation problems with ic.
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DS, when I am erect and squeeze my glans, I get IKs on the base - this is a contraction of the IC muscle, correct?
If so, then it could be a great help for people to try to replicate this exact contraction. Maybe it's easier to activate the muscle yourself once you have activated a couple times via glans squeezes and IKs before?
At least for me, I found this helpful!
If so, then it could be a great help for people to try to replicate this exact contraction. Maybe it's easier to activate the muscle yourself once you have activated a couple times via glans squeezes and IKs before?
At least for me, I found this helpful!
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First of all, I would like to thank you all for your support and help. God bless you.
I have few things to ask. But please, only answer if you know what you're talking about. I specifically ask for advice and opinion users such as Pegasus and DickerSchwanz and others who have actual knowledge about the subject.
I think I got it all but I'd like to make sure and clarify.
1. In order to have good erection (specially most important CC), last long in bed without getting fast to PONR and even have better quality orgasms (not ejaculations) you most have very strong and endure IC muscle (Ischiocavernosus muscle). Training IC is a little bit tricky because it is not 'natural' but can be done. For example flexing against little stretch of penis is a good idea to easier feel this muscle. IC can also be used to pump up penis together with BC muscle but I think learning this unnecessary specially many of us have tensed BC muscle and it's better not to use it.
2. BC muscle (Bulbospogiosis/Bulbocavernosus muscle) works for filling up the CS (glans of penis) and expelling the urine and semen. It is actually the ejaculation button - when it is flexed voluntaily or involuntarily BC muscle ejects semen during intercourse. That's why when IC muscle is weak/not endure and/or BC just extremaly tensed because of poor masturbation habits a man has got premature ejaculation.
3. PC muscle (Pubococcygeus muslce) should be used only as a measure of last resort to stop ejaculation. When a man gets close to PONR, PC should be flexed to delay ejaculation. And only for this.But the bottom line is a man should not get close to PONR fast and it can be done thanks to strong/endure IC muscle and relaxed BC and PC muscles.
And questions from me (assuming that my above statement is correct):
- why doctors do not know sh*t about this?
- how to get dry orgasm and multiple orgasms? When close to PONR, shall a man use PC or IC? or both?
- I guess yes but Is it worth to train PC muscle cause it stop ejaculation when PONR is reached? (for example so it is strong enough and to stop ejaculation and/or prevent retrograde ejaculation)
- How deos retrograde ejaculation actually happens and how to avoid it? (Previous question related)
- I guess not but is there and sense to train BC muscle?
- Would you agree that the best ways to relax BC muscle is to do weighted front squats, butterfly stretch and side split? Or anything more?
I have few things to ask. But please, only answer if you know what you're talking about. I specifically ask for advice and opinion users such as Pegasus and DickerSchwanz and others who have actual knowledge about the subject.
I think I got it all but I'd like to make sure and clarify.
1. In order to have good erection (specially most important CC), last long in bed without getting fast to PONR and even have better quality orgasms (not ejaculations) you most have very strong and endure IC muscle (Ischiocavernosus muscle). Training IC is a little bit tricky because it is not 'natural' but can be done. For example flexing against little stretch of penis is a good idea to easier feel this muscle. IC can also be used to pump up penis together with BC muscle but I think learning this unnecessary specially many of us have tensed BC muscle and it's better not to use it.
2. BC muscle (Bulbospogiosis/Bulbocavernosus muscle) works for filling up the CS (glans of penis) and expelling the urine and semen. It is actually the ejaculation button - when it is flexed voluntaily or involuntarily BC muscle ejects semen during intercourse. That's why when IC muscle is weak/not endure and/or BC just extremaly tensed because of poor masturbation habits a man has got premature ejaculation.
3. PC muscle (Pubococcygeus muslce) should be used only as a measure of last resort to stop ejaculation. When a man gets close to PONR, PC should be flexed to delay ejaculation. And only for this.But the bottom line is a man should not get close to PONR fast and it can be done thanks to strong/endure IC muscle and relaxed BC and PC muscles.
And questions from me (assuming that my above statement is correct):
- why doctors do not know sh*t about this?
- how to get dry orgasm and multiple orgasms? When close to PONR, shall a man use PC or IC? or both?
- I guess yes but Is it worth to train PC muscle cause it stop ejaculation when PONR is reached? (for example so it is strong enough and to stop ejaculation and/or prevent retrograde ejaculation)
- How deos retrograde ejaculation actually happens and how to avoid it? (Previous question related)
- I guess not but is there and sense to train BC muscle?
- Would you agree that the best ways to relax BC muscle is to do weighted front squats, butterfly stretch and side split? Or anything more?
Thank you so much for all the sharing guys! I'm super interested in this hoping to solve my go-soft-quick issue.
If you've found the muscle, please do share how to find it, in your own way.
I'm still trying. It still feels like a quick short front kegel to me.
If you've found the muscle, please do share how to find it, in your own way.
I'm still trying. It still feels like a quick short front kegel to me.
I've been stretching my penis out and slightly upward while flaccid, I'm standing pushing my hips forward. I manage to make little tugs on my penis when trying to flex the IC but I am also flexing my a**hole (PC?) which gets tight. I overcame (most of) my HF of 5 years recently so I know my pelvic floor is not in terrific shape but since trying to work on the IC, I've definitely helped with penile blood flow at the cost of temporary tension in the rest of my PF.
Is this because I've just started and need time? Or perhaps should do it erect? Any help greatly appreciated.
Is this because I've just started and need time? Or perhaps should do it erect? Any help greatly appreciated.
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The ic is a difficult muscle to isolate .
I have found it easier erect where I am able to work left or right side .
If you follow DS instrction you should not get tightness in the rest of the PF.
I have found it easier erect where I am able to work left or right side .
If you follow DS instrction you should not get tightness in the rest of the PF.
Ok I'll re read to make sure. Impossible for me to isolate atm so I'm doing low volume, intensity, frequency, and hold.
Another observation, when i stand and flex my glutes, squeezing them into each other as hard as i can (and making sure I'm flexing them properly and not just pushing my pelvis forward) my flaccid penis starts to spasm and shake, seemingly from the base. Is this my ic? Weak and tight maybe in relation to another part of me?
YES! Good observation. It's aiding an IC. And spasm often happen when you do something to a muscle you normaly don't do. Not a bad sign per se.
Dont flex ahole. An IC is aided by pushing out the ahole but its not needed or can be put to neutral if in control.
you are mostly right.
1. In theory all that's necessary is a balanced PF. It will work on its own if not interfered with. These muscles are not really there to be consciously trained, but you can choose to if you want to balance PF or learn out of the ordinary skills.
2. the key is that an overactive BC will outmuscle the IC's. The bc is like a trigger on a gun. It will activate a process in the PF that will lead to ejac.(always remember that fast ejac is the natural way of the body to replicate and normal)
3. Its more like stopping ejac. delay is done through calming the muscles down. Its all described in detail already on theforums multiple times. Timing, control and strength necessary.
If you want to be some PF master then you have strength and control in all muscles equally/balanced. So ofc there'S a lot of sense to train bc. For people having problems with BC it`s about getting control and training the IC to have a counter. Relaxing the BC and pf via stretches is mostly solved on the forums. Just have to do continious work to achieve it. IC has a good part in it.
In the end its about getting aware of these muscles first. It's like training your ears to wiggle. There`s no need to do it normally so you need to train your brain and nervous system to get aware of it before you do any acrobatics and have power with it.
Thanks for replying DS.
Sounds like i should add glute medius strengthening to the routine, reinforce related muscles?
As for not flexing my a hole i really try not to, i know I'm not supposed to. Do you have any other tricks or cues to isolate the ic and avoid the rest?
If the opposite muscles are too strong or flexing uncontrolled then its hard to engage the IC.
Being able to do a full pf reverse kegel pushing everything outwards makes it a lot easier as it such an rk can stretch the bc muscle etc to not being able to contract.
Being able to do a full pf reverse kegel pushing everything outwards makes it a lot easier as it such an rk can stretch the bc muscle etc to not being able to contract.
Hi everyone
Really love this thread and appreciate all the competence. I believe you guys are pretty right on the relationship of all the PF muscles.
In my case I have been putting lots of effort in rk's and strengthening the posterior chain, even tried strengthening the IC but I don't see much progress.
I feel like I have a very strong and tense BC, a weak and tense PC / spincter ani and a ultra weak IC muscle.
When I try to to errect raises against my hand I can hold the contraction for barely a second and I start losing the errection in now time.
My routine consists of daily glute and ab exercises, sun salutations, hindu squats with rk's and from time to time a few erret IC contractions in the bath tub.
In the evening I massage my abs and do more rk's in balasana.
What do I need to add to my routine to get my PF to unlock?
Thx for any support
Really love this thread and appreciate all the competence. I believe you guys are pretty right on the relationship of all the PF muscles.
In my case I have been putting lots of effort in rk's and strengthening the posterior chain, even tried strengthening the IC but I don't see much progress.
I feel like I have a very strong and tense BC, a weak and tense PC / spincter ani and a ultra weak IC muscle.
When I try to to errect raises against my hand I can hold the contraction for barely a second and I start losing the errection in now time.
My routine consists of daily glute and ab exercises, sun salutations, hindu squats with rk's and from time to time a few erret IC contractions in the bath tub.
In the evening I massage my abs and do more rk's in balasana.
What do I need to add to my routine to get my PF to unlock?
Thx for any support
