Locating and Activating the Ischiocavernosus Muscle (IC) to obtain more 'Penis Power'

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Which means hard errections, ballooning, the glans and shaft and possibly connecting it to other techniques like Reverse Kegels, mmo etc.

It's a rather advanced technique as it requires awareness of the penis and pelvic floor that, at least for me, is hard to come by when starting out with PE.
This muscle(it`s 2) is subtle to be aware of when starting out. It`s comparable to earmuscle you can use to wiggle them without moving a joint like e.g. a biceps.

This is the Ischiocavernosus Muscle as per anatomy pics:
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Wikipedia says:
Function
It helps (in males) stabilize the erect penis and (in females) tense the vagina during orgasm.
Ischiocavernosus compresses the crus penis, and retards the return of the blood through the veins, and thus serves to maintain the organ erect.
The IC fires autonomously alternating with the Bulbospongiosus muscle to create an erection. Pumping and holding blood in.
Both muscles are kind of antagonists comparable to Biceps and Triceps. It's almost impossible to flex the BC and IC muscles fully at the same time.
We train the BC muscle a lot. The BC is basically one muscle much easier to notice when flexed. It`s the one that when engaged consciously can push blood up the CS into the glans. Many have that muscle overtrained and hence an imbalance vs. the IC.


Flexing the muscle, holding the flex, pulling on the erect penis to the left or right are the basic ways to engage and train it. As the IC is responsible for holding the penis straight one can train it by flexing it against the pull to the side. Make sure to alternate left and right pulls to train both IC 'legs' same intensity.
That takes time as the brain needs to first be aware of the muscle. So doing it the first day it will be hard to get full control, can take days or weeks..

The basic motion to flex it, is to squeeze both legs of the IC together. That can be done flaccid and erect.
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The red arrows are depicting the way one should engage and move the 2 IC legs together. Most of that is happening inside and behind the pubic bone.
A so called front reverse kegel when done strongly and toward the same spot can engage the IC muscles too.

As the IC is, at the front, directly attached to the CC and inside close to the two sides of the CC it is also squezzing the inner penis.
When being erect, allowing blood to enter engaging the IC's hard will stop the outflow of blood allowing a kind of balooning of the shaft and especially glans.

Another thing that is fun is to engage it during walking basicaly massaging the inner penis with every step.
Holding a very hard IC, along with an RK will counter movement by the BC muscle, which is responsible for ejaculation. Hence stopping it which then can be transferred into MMO techniques.
 

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Ah I remember posting pics here sucks :( sorry. The pics are much bigger and detailed than shown there. oh well

EDIT: BIGGER BETTER QUALITY PICS(same as above!): https://imgur.com/a/WC275lz
 
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Signs that the IC Muscle is engaged:

- The Cremaster muscle is sitting slinged directly atop the IC muscle. (see pics)
Hence when the IC is engaged a side effect is; the ballsack is lifted up. Though that might not be very apparent the first times either.
 
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Members keep in mind this is advanced stuff .

That said recommended reading for those interested in advanced pelvic floor control.
Isolated ic kegels have attracted attention at times but interest has faded out . I want to thank DS for pushing knowledge of this little known area forward .
 

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Do any of you ever consider that you are fucking around with muscles that are more than likely not designed to be fucked around with and manipulated in the same way that maybe your biceps or abdominals are designed to be used.
 

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This guy spreads nonsense over these forums, I wonder how many such theorists are around here; he said that there is no such thing as a venous leak and it's all invented by urologists. LOL. People do surgery for that.
 

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Of course you have to do it in a balanced way but so it is with any other muscles. Other than that I see no obvious problems with any of this. I only see benefits for me.. My ability to achieve and hold erections is better than before.
Me being able to control these muscles clearly tells me that I have the power ,by design, to do just that ;)

But good point cause its certainly not as easy as other muscles and most people have to think this through before being able to actually do it. It's like one of these freemasonry things :)
 

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This guy spreads nonsense over these forums, I wonder how many such theorists are around here; he said that there is no such thing as a venous leak and it's all invented by urologists. LOL. People do surgery for that.

Back surgery has a 90% failure rate but they still do it widespread every year in every western country.

If you haven't bothered to look into how venous leak could not be real and you're just assuming I'm full of sh*t then you are a simpleton.

You put all your trust into doctors as if humanity has arrived at peak medical performance and its not going to get any better. Again, don't be a simpleton.


It wasn't that long ago that we were using leaches to suck people's blood for all kinds of ailments or when we would prescribe heroin for alcoholism, try thinking critically and come out of your simpleton bubble.
 

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HFrecovering,
Of course you have to do it in a balanced way but so it is with any other muscles. Other than that I see no obvious problems with any of this. I only see benefits for me.. My ability to achieve and hold erections is better than before.
Me being able to control these muscles clearly tells me that I have the power ,by design, to do just that ;)

But good point cause its certainly not as easy as other muscles and most people have to think this through before being able to actually do it. It's like one of these freemasonry things :)

I just realised he was talking to you about venous leak lol, I thought he was talking to me because I've also said before that it's a bullshit diagnosis and is most likely not real.
 

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I just realised he was talking to you about venous leak lol, I thought he was talking to me because I've also said before that it's a bullshit diagnosis and is most likely not real.

Much of the literature is unsure of how to give a solid diagnosis for a venous leak, though there is a technical definition for it. It's commonly considered a "nebulous" term.
 

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A great visual video of the Ischiocavernosus Muscle:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYJy56Q5RdI" target="_blank">
 
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More info about the function of Ischio vs. Bulbo muscles.

ischio.jpg

Ischiocavernosus:
Maintains erection of penis or clitoris by compression of outflow veins(!)

Speaking of the previous Venous Leak issue.. a very weak or disfunctional Ischiocavernosus muscle might be the reason for Venous Leaks.
Without the Ischiocavernosus properly functioning or being too weak it can't help shutting off the veins that transport blood out of the Penis(Arteries transport blood into organs!)
Also a too strong bulbospongiosus muscle might counter the ischio too much. It's like only training Biceps but not the triceps.
 
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The Ischiocavernosus consists mostly of "slow-twitch oxidative (type I) fibers"

"Oxidative fibers rely on aerobic respiration to fuel muscle contractions, and consist of slow-twitch (Type I) fibers, which are characterized as muscles with long contraction duration, associated with endurance. Slow-twitch fibers are used to maintain posture."

This means long holds of the IC are its natural state and the way to train it. It also makes sense considering the IC has to continiously stabilize the erect penis and keep the veinous outflow closed.
 

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[h=2]Function[/h] Contraction of the ischiocavernosus muscle compresses the crura of the penis/clitoris, pushing the blood away from their roots into the distal parts. The surrounding veins which drain the penis/clitoris are also compressed by ischiocavernosus, restricting venous outflow. This increased pool of venous blood maintains the turgidity (distension) of the penis/clitoris, helping to maintain an erection during sexual arousal and intercourse. In males, ischiocavernosus also acts together to stabilize the penis when fully erect.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3339760/

In a previous study, we have demonstrated that voluntary muscular contractions of the ischiocavernosus muscles (IC) correlate with changes in intracavernous pressure and, therefore, with penile rigidity. The purpose of our current research project was to verify whether reflex contractions of the IC muscles exist and under what conditions. Our results confirm that reflex contractions occur following electrical or pressure stimulations. Following electrical stimulation, the mean latency of the reflex contractions was 67.5 ms for the IC muscles and 34.9 ms for the bulbocavernosus muscles (BC). Following pressure stimulation, the pressure threshold necessary to elicit contractions of the IC muscles varied between 18.2 mm. Hg and 34.8 mm. Hg. We also observed that pressure variation (increase and decrease) rather than a relatively constant pressure is necessary to produce this reflex response. We interpret these results to suggest that pressure stimulations on the glans penis during coitus contribute to the erectile process and, specifically, to the increase in intracavernous pressure. These findings suggest the possibility of a physiotherapeutic management for patients with penile rigidity problems.

This is exactly what I observe. Intentionally increasing the rigidity by engaging the IC.
Also interesting how the IC reacts to glans stimulation and when aware of the IC, squeezing the glans produces a reaction of the IC.
It also shows how the penis is designed for penetration of the vagina and not masturbation. I wouldn't be surprised if only masturbation has an impact on erection cause of the IC not being trained properly as in the Glans hitting the insides of the vagina.
 

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Much of the literature is unsure of how to give a solid diagnosis for a venous leak, though there is a technical definition for it. It's commonly considered a "nebulous" term.

I just see it as yet another failure of the urologists not having the first clue about the pelvic floor which is mind boggling.

Its kind of like when somone gets diagnosed with IBS which should stand for I.BE.STUMPED
 

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Well the ischicavernosus muscles are responsible for preventing leakage from the erect Penis by "closing off" and shunting the outgoing veins - Dorsal veins of the penis. If the IC wouldn`t work properly the blood can just "LEAK" out of the penis.
The erection mechanism at the Tunica/smooth muscle interface is doing a lot but without the IC one couldn't create and maintain an erection!

Working the IC is most effective when erect as it then has more leverage to work with, the 2 blood filled legs of the Corpora Cavernosa. The CC is seemingly one piece outside beyond the pubic bone but splits into two legs inside behind the pubic bone for quiet some length. That length the IC wraps around the legs constricting them when needed, increasing blood pressure in the penis.
 

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The IC muscle is steered reflexively through the vegative nerve system AND willfully through the somatic nerve system.
(the heart muscle for example is only used reflexively, you can't control it willfully)

Hence its hard at first to get control of it and the awareness of the access to it needs to be first found and trained.
The first times I found it, I lost access again fast and it took at least 24h to again get access. The untrained willful somatic connection go tired and during the off time it seemed to strengthen/grow. Now I'm able to flex it easily.

Try finding the control but dont overdo it. Just try again next day and keep trying. Its a small muscle that needs time to get aware of.
 

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Very good work. I will warn individuals to be careful when it comes to the IC muscle. This is most likely the muscle I pulled which caused fullblown hard flaccid, CPPS, and pelvic floor hypertonia. Proceed with caution, especially if you are kegeling against a penile stretch.