Locating and Activating the Ischiocavernosus Muscle (IC) to obtain more 'Penis Power'

[DickerSchwanz]

obv. people who have tight PF`s also have high % of tight breath. So it might not be easy to do the full belly breath and then IC along with it from the start..

I wouldn`t be able to engage my IC without having worked prior on relaxing my PF and breath and being relaxed.

 

[LongusCockus]

Could you clarify on how to train your breath?

Btw: How do you breath when doing a (full) RK?

 

[DickerSchwanz]

belly breath full breath lots to find searching yoga type and other breath exercises. simple "baby breath"

To get the biggest intensity of a full RK,.. breathing in expanding lungs and associated body parts adds some more ability to expand the RK to the max. but ideally the RK and other pf muscles can hold during all breathing. They will always be impacted by breathing though I guess...

I'm just at the start of this in a way too. Learning hoping others try too and give new info

 

[ranger77]

But I can flex IC and BC independently from each other. Engaging both same time is doing nothing for me like doing triceps and biceps same moment.
It's a weird immobile state.

If I understand correctly the BC and IC are essentially antagonist muscles (one opposes the other in movement) and the IC contraction and RK can take place together (sort of like synergist muscles, except here one is contracting, and one is relaxing)

This tells me I am unable to activate my IC for now. I can make my penis "jump", but I think it's really just my BC (I can feel it contracting when I put my hand there, plus I am unable to do it while also doing a RK...which shouldn't happen in theory). I guess I need to find a way to learn to "find" and contract my IC... maybe through visualization or perhaps if I felt it contract on its own somehow I'd figure out how to contract it myself. I appreciate your help thus far, DickerSchwanz!

 

[Pegasus]

The other way to do ic kegel is to isolate it from front kegel .

 

[DickerSchwanz]

I just noticed the pictures on page 1 suck cause the forum does not allow bigger than thumbnail pictures lol

I thought everyone had detailed pictures available! No wonder no one gets it!!!!!! Would've answered most of the q's the last pages..
Without knowing which muscles are involved and where they are(!) it's complicated. sry no nerve for this ineffective stuff wasting tiem-.

This forum is sadly since some years in that regard unusable.

 

[DickerSchwanz]

Does this work:


ok


noooo it d oes not! is a nice pic to check out

HERE: https://i.imgur.com/qGuO79M.jpg
EVERYONE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IC check this pic out.
The arrows show the direction of the IC clenching/contracting.

btw. the "back" part of the IC where it spreads more can be activated and then you can do a BC muscle "kegel". That BC muscle kegel overrides the IC front part.

The exercise is:
Done at all erection levels but best noticed/effect with semi or erection.

Clench the IC muscles, the whole thing as seen in the pictures.
Hold it, increase pressure really hard(RK same time can help too).
Then do a fast BC muscle clench, to push blood up the CS into the glans, WHILE focusing on the IC hold at the back part where it spreads into the diagonal part(as seen on picture). Try to keep the hold there going while the BC fast clenches
The fast BC clench should override the IC hold in the front part but it has less antagonist influence on the back part.
Once the BC clench is done immediately switch to the full IC hold back. That stops the the blood rushed in via the BC to remain.

If you keep doing that you will be able to increase the blood inside the penis without a tool or hands ..just with your muscles.
I basically balloon my penis. Very fun with a semi erection. But a seemingly 100% erection can also be inflated with this technique.

 

[Via.Swiss]

That picture helps, but I seem to have no mind connection to it. Need to keep practicing. Sometimes I can notice, but impossible to "hold"

 

[DickerSchwanz]

That picture helps, but I seem to have no mind connection to it. Need to keep practicing. Sometimes I can notice, but impossible to "hold"

Takes time. Easiest to notice erect.

Without erection the muscle has no leverage to grab around the inner Penis (the penis is SPLIT inside - hence basically closing the two legs of a triangle together is the motion here)

Before frustration sets in it's best to pause cause there's sort of a "cool off" period, hard to describe..
Until the connection is very good, maybe weeks, it fatigues. I think its not the muscle itself but the "mind body connection".
Just wait some minutes or hours or next day until trying again.

 

[DickerSchwanz]

Other picture from page 1.
With this and the other it should be clear where the IC is.
https://i.imgur.com/SjBR9C2.jpg
Imagine to see it inside of you. The 2 "legs" of the IC muscle! Then use the IC legs to clench/pressure/shunt of the 2 inner penis-"legs".

 

[Via.Swiss]

I have 100% found it easier to do erect. Laying on my side with half chub morning wood was easier too. Still tougher to "hold" rather than just flex quickly, working on that now.

 

[DickerSchwanz]

Yeah holding the IC is all about keep doing it and then once you cross a threshold you will be able to hold it a long time.

You can hold the IC longer and easier than the BC cause it has more "endurance muscle fibers" while the BC has more fast twitch fibers.
But that also means that the BC can break the IC hold.
That`s why first stretching and relaxing the BC with RK's is important. A tight or out of control BC will mess with your IC holds.

 

[Dodot007]

This is correct way to train IC Muscle? https://youtu.be/Lle3kHGjJ6c

 

[Pegasus]

Yeah holding the IC is all about keep doing it and then once you cross a threshold you will be able to hold it a long time.

You can hold the IC longer and easier than the BC cause it has more "endurance muscle fibers" while the BC has more fast twitch fibers.
But that also means that the BC can break the IC hold.
That`s why first stretching and relaxing the BC with RK's is important. A tight or out of control BC will mess with your IC holds.

This is in line with what I was saying earlier about spasm and other parts of the pf being involved .

 

[Bloodygenius]

So essentially there’s two ways to activate the ic muscle preferably while erected ?

The slight kegel method- while flaccid creating a twitch/pulling inwards motion at the base of your shaft where your penis connects to your pelvis on the top side? While done erected your penis will “jump” but I feel like the IC and BC are both activated during this.

Reverse kegel method -While erected making your penis jump through a RK helps activate the IC only? During this motion I don’t feel the BC activated but the jump isn’t as intense as done performing a regular kegel.

 

[Bloodygenius]

Yeah holding the IC is all about keep doing it and then once you cross a threshold you will be able to hold it a long time.

You can hold the IC longer and easier than the BC cause it has more "endurance muscle fibers" while the BC has more fast twitch fibers.
But that also means that the BC can break the IC hold.
That`s why first stretching and relaxing the BC with RK's is important. A tight or out of control BC will mess with your IC holds.

So essentially there’s two ways to activate the ic muscle preferably while erected ?

The slight kegel method- while flaccid creating a twitch/pulling inwards motion at the base of your shaft where your penis connects to your pelvis on the top side? While done erected your penis will “jump” but I feel like the IC and BC are both activated during this.

Reverse kegel method -While erected making your penis jump through a RK helps activate the IC only? During this motion I don’t feel the BC activated but the jump isn’t as intense as done performing a regular kegel.

 

[DickerSchwanz]

So essentially there’s two ways to activate the ic muscle preferably while erected ?

The slight kegel method- while flaccid creating a twitch/pulling inwards motion at the base of your shaft where your penis connects to your pelvis on the top side? While done erected your penis will “jump” but I feel like the IC and BC are both activated during this.

Reverse kegel method -While erected making your penis jump through a RK helps activate the IC only? During this motion I don’t feel the BC activated but the jump isn’t as intense as done performing a regular kegel.

There's no jump needed. The BC is mostly responsible for the jump. I dont see no jumping when doing an RK.
I think doing RK's and knowing you are not tight is good before working the IC. Then RK can cancel BC and the IC can work full range.

My BC and pfloor is relxad enough so I can do full range IC without doing a RK.
A strong RK and then an IC on top adds more internal pressure towards the penis making it balloon somewhat(veins get visibly fuller).

If one masters RK's you're able to work the IC's easily. I wasn't able to do full range IC's when I had a tight PF

 

[DickerSchwanz]

The Front Kegel type where BC and IC and a lot more is activated at once can show you where the IC is if you can differentiate the sensations while doing that kegel.
But it's probably impossible to get the full IC range and effect if the BC is engaged same time.

Again this is where the comparison to biceps and triceps applies. cant full range engage triceps with tight biceps and vice versa

 

[Bloodygenius]

There's no jump needed. The BC is mostly responsible for the jump. I dont see no jumping when doing an RK.
I think doing RK's and knowing you are not tight is good before working the IC. Then RK can cancel BC and the IC can work full range.

My BC and pfloor is relxad enough so I can do full range IC without doing a RK.
A strong RK and then an IC on top adds more internal pressure towards the penis making it balloon somewhat(veins get visibly fuller).

If one masters RK's you're able to work the IC's easily. I wasn't able to do full range IC's when I had a tight PF

Thank you for the insight. I’m still a little confused on how to activate the IC muscle. While flaccid It feels like (that’s if I’m doing it correctly) the top of penis where my pelvis meets is moving inwards making my member lift but while doing this I can still feel my BC twitching a little bit when I press my hand against it. Is it suppose to feel like this initially until I master isolating the IC muscle through RK training.

 

[DickerSchwanz]

If the pelvic floor isnt fully released from tensions then its possible engaging one muscle will trigger more muscles.
Yes that inward type of movement I get when I do an IC that focuses on pulling inside and not outside.
When I do a flaccid IC focused outwards the BC will bulge down and outwards.