I'm M9 (M9ter) from Reddit's PE forum r/ajelqforyou, AMA (Ask Me Anything)

[M9ter]

Do you have suggestions as to how an advanced trainee would go about making gains with a lack of privacy at home? Can you accumulate a sufficient amount of stimuli to grow both in length and girth by doing several quick sessions of manual exercises/clamping throughout the day? which devices and exercises would you use yourself if you didn't have the privacy to hang at home or clamp for 30-60 minutes at a time.

Hey,

I'm a very busy (traveled often) guy, so there were times PE had to be done whenever and wherever I could fit it in. For guys on the go, there are Piss Pulls and Piss Pumps. Piss pulls are manual stretches performed 2-5 minutes during every restroom break throughout the day. Piss pumps are a girth routine (usually a timed pressure hold) done in the same time period. Amazing how much cumulative time that gives you in a day. If you can fit in 30-60 minutes of PE work daily, its all you need to see progress. When I was on the go, I might have that much time in a hotel room before bed and still saw progress, albeit at a slower rate. Gaining is gaining, right?

 

[pe4life2]

Hi,

Congrats on your current progress...! Ok, So devices such as extenders, and low weight ADS tend to be less effective for those who have previously used manual stretching due to the thickening and strengthening from the loads being placed on the shaft and glans. That said, if you have used manuals to date they should still be effective if you have the right form of tissue weakening. Understand that girthwork will also increase length as a side effect. So focusing on a combo routine would benefit you the most. Weakening the tunica can be done by manual or cable clamping, combined with static stretches in one direction only. Hard to add all the techniques here that are featured on Reddit, so search timed pressure holds and the term shockloading. I will add the WIKI page we use here: https://old.reddit.com/r/AJelqForYou/wiki/index

Thanks for the reply. So does this mean the wrecking ball wouldn’t be of much help at this point of my PE career?

Which routine would you recommend?

A)
Day 1: 5 minute stretch one direction, 2 minute break (massage), repeat until a total of 30-40 minutes.
Day 2: Timed pressure hold. 5 minutes on 5 minutes off, total 30 minutes.
Day 3: Repeat

B)
Day 1 (morning): 5 minute stretch one direction, 2 minute break (massage), repeat until a total of 30-40 minutes.
Day 1 (evening): Timed pressure hold. 5 minutes on 5 minutes off, total 30 minutes.
Day 2: Rest

C)
B with no break every other day (probably 1 rest day a week then)

D)
Day 1: 5 minute stretch one direction, 2 minute break (massage), repeat until a total of 30-40 minutes then straight to Timed pressure hold. 5 minutes on 5 minutes off, total 30 minutes.
Day 2: Rest

E)
D with no rest day every other day (probably 1 rest day a week)

Another question - does the 5 minutes for the timed pressure hold start when you have gotten the penis full and stretched feeling? Or from the beginning when it’s flaccid and you starting to get the blood in there?

 

[M9ter]

Hello M9,

What amount of time have you been able to clamp for uninterrupted to simulate priaprism.

Many believe that 20 minutes is pushing it as far as safety.

We're you doiyoulonger sets or more shorter sets?

Thanks in advance

Hi,

I realized early on that clamping for more than 5 minutes under pressure caused serious discoloration and increased chances for cell death/nerve damage. So my clamping sessions are limited to 5 minutes under pressure, then remove it (leave padding on) massage/restore circulation, then re-apply the clamp again for another 5 mins. So that cycle was repeated (5 mins on/2-5 mins off) for ideally 60 minutes (1 hour) per session. Clamping longer than 5 minutes at a time risks discoloration and other problems. There are also several stages of clamping. Clamping is an advanced technique, so you are responsible for your own safety should anything be attempted. NOTE: All techniques can be done with hands or cable clamp.

Stage 1: Apply padding, partly apply cable clamp flaccid or semi-erect to prevent outflow of blood from shaft, using erection to create pressure.
Stage 2: Setup as above with padding, apply clamp while 80% erect (still floppy), seal off base with cable clamp, clamp or hands create pressure with shaft/glans squeezes..
Stage 3: Setup as above with padding, apply clamp after fully erect, tighten clamp one click every 1-2 minutes (of 5 min set) to maintain internal pressure or perform various hand squeeze methods (MASSIVE expansion can be had with that method). I gained 1/2" of permanent girth in 3 months with that method after returning to PE in 2015, and several other users have documented similar results on the forums.

 

[M9ter]

Thanks for the reply. So does this mean the wrecking ball wouldn’t be of much help at this point of my PE career?

Which routine would you recommend?

A)
Day 1: 5 minute stretch one direction, 2 minute break (massage), repeat until a total of 30-40 minutes.
Day 2: Timed pressure hold. 5 minutes on 5 minutes off, total 30 minutes.
Day 3: Repeat

B)
Day 1 (morning): 5 minute stretch one direction, 2 minute break (massage), repeat until a total of 30-40 minutes.
Day 1 (evening): Timed pressure hold. 5 minutes on 5 minutes off, total 30 minutes.
Day 2: Rest

C)
B with no break every other day (probably 1 rest day a week then)

D)
Day 1: 5 minute stretch one direction, 2 minute break (massage), repeat until a total of 30-40 minutes then straight to Timed pressure hold. 5 minutes on 5 minutes off, total 30 minutes.
Day 2: Rest

E)
D with no rest day every other day (probably 1 rest day a week)

Another question - does the 5 minutes for the timed pressure hold start when you have gotten the penis full and stretched feeling? Or from the beginning when it’s flaccid and you starting to get the blood in there?

Hi,

What I found worked best for me after comparing notes from month to month was this approach.

1. Employ some form of tunica weakening session (timed hold, etc) prior to any stretching session.
2. Pick one direction and stick with it for the entire set, mimicking extender operation.
3. Avoid heavy weight hanging so you don't thicken/strengthen the base/lower shaft which will in turn causes added resistance. I found the thicker the shaft was, the more resistance to stretching it caused.
4. No rest days, as I found the fastest progress/most growth was happening DURING the stretching sessions from the damage/repair cycle occurring during the stretching process...similar to the observations seen with skin grafting studies.

So if you wanted to do a combo (G & L) you would simply add 30-60 mins every other day of girth routines into the ABS (Always Be Stretching) approach.

 

[pe4life2]

1. Employ some form of tunica weakening session (timed hold, etc) prior to any stretching session.

Hmm, I guess what's confusing me now is what exactly is a stretching session. Is the timed hold for 5 minutes on 2 minutes off for 30-45 minutes not considered a stretching session, but rather a tunica weakening session? If so, what would be done after 30-45 minutes of timed hold?

Edit: I'm dumb, I just re-read and realized the timed hold = girth squeeze.

Thanks for the info!

Edit 2: Decided to go with the following

Day 1:
- 1 set of 5 minute timed hold
- 30-45 minutes of 5/2 one direction stretching

Day 2:
- 1 set of 5 minute timed hold
- 30-45 minutes of 5/2 one direction stretching
- 30 minutes of timed pressure hold (5/3)

 

[pe4life2]

Another question - does the 5 minutes for the timed pressure hold start when you have gotten the penis full and stretched feeling? Or from the beginning when it’s flaccid and you starting to get the blood in there?

Just to make sure I do this correctly, do you mind answering this question for me M9ter. Thanks again for all the help, you've been great

 

[BigO]

Hi,

I realized early on that clamping for more than 5 minutes under pressure caused serious discoloration and increased chances for cell death/nerve damage. So my clamping sessions are limited to 5 minutes under pressure, then remove it (leave padding on) massage/restore circulation, then re-apply the clamp again for another 5 mins. So that cycle was repeated (5 mins on/2-5 mins off) for ideally 60 minutes (1 hour) per session. Clamping longer than 5 minutes at a time risks discoloration and other problems. There are also several stages of clamping. Clamping is an advanced technique, so you are responsible for your own safety should anything be attempted. NOTE: All techniques can be done with hands or cable clamp.

Stage 1: Apply padding, partly apply cable clamp flaccid or semi-erect to prevent outflow of blood from shaft, using erection to create pressure.
Stage 2: Setup as above with padding, apply clamp while 80% erect (still floppy), seal off base with cable clamp, clamp or hands create pressure with shaft/glans squeezes..
Stage 3: Setup as above with padding, apply clamp after fully erect, tighten clamp one click every 1-2 minutes (of 5 min set) to maintain internal pressure or perform various hand squeeze methods (MASSIVE expansion can be had with that method). I gained 1/2" of permanent girth in 3 months with that method after returning to PE in 2015, and several other users have documented similar results on the forums.

First off, I need to proof read my posts. I meant 10 minutes, not 20 and I definately made a typo or two.

I've always stayed with 5 minutes but was curious if you did longer sets.

I have gained 1 1/2 inches in BPEL over the years. My focus was always length but I liked to pump so with that as my only real girth exercise I gained 1/2 of an inch in girth.

What you say on the clamping makes sense so I will apply the clamping to my routine while omitting the pumping for the sake of research.

Thank you for your detailed response

 

[M9ter]

Just to make sure I do this correctly, do you mind answering this question for me M9ter. Thanks again for all the help, you've been great

By all means... and thank you..!

"Another question - does the 5 minutes for the timed pressure hold start when you have gotten the penis full and stretched feeling? Or from the beginning when it’s flaccid and you starting to get the blood in there?"


The clock starts once you have blood trapped and pressure is being created. Setup is not part of the 5 minute set to maximize time under stress....( :

 

[Ptree]

Yes,

At first, not knowing any better I used manual stretching. Simply stretched outward in the direction/angle I wanted my erection to be at and held it as long as I could in one position. Once that was exhausted, I tried everything from the old noose style extenders (AVOID them at all costs) to BIB hanger (nerve damage), to heavy hanging (up to 45 lbs) with something now known as the Shopping Bag Hanger (place weights in bag, place on wrist like a watch, then grip penis with the hand with the bag hung on it.



M9

M9 - good to see you here. I'm curious why you say to avoid noose style extenders. I used one for a couple of years and I like it, although not sure if any gains made are attributable to other exercises in this time.

Are there unforseen consequences I'm potentially not aware of? Thank you.

 

[83show]

Been awhile since a posted bur wanted to take advantage of your knowledge/experience.

Been loving my version on a squeeze routine though fairly low in time and reps .

Basically i get a uli type grip with no slide and exactly the right eq that gives me very good expansion . With my other hand i apply more internal pressure on top and the individual sides of my cc .

Theres no discomfort, temporary size gain and its enjoyable.

My question is im only doing 10 sets of 15-30secs . How should i increase numbers and reps .. do i strive for 30-45 mins underpressure? And should i try no days off except when eq dips .

Thank ahead , ill consider your recommendations with caution

 

[M9ter]

M9 - good to see you here. I'm curious why you say to avoid noose style extenders. I used one for a couple of years and I like it, although not sure if any gains made are attributable to other exercises in this time.

Are there unforseen consequences I'm potentially not aware of? Thank you.

Hey,

Noose style extenders were originally sold back in the 1990s and quickly earned a reputation for causing pain and nerve damage. The design of the noose both cuts off blood flow and puts pressure upon the pudendal nerve, causing nerve damage. This is not the later more modern loop/belt style version made of foam I refer to, but the old rope/string style noose extenders.

 

[M9ter]

Been awhile since a posted bur wanted to take advantage of your knowledge/experience.

Been loving my version on a squeeze routine though fairly low in time and reps .

Basically i get a uli type grip with no slide and exactly the right eq that gives me very good expansion . With my other hand i apply more internal pressure on top and the individual sides of my cc .

Theres no discomfort, temporary size gain and its enjoyable.

My question is im only doing 10 sets of 15-30secs . How should i increase numbers and reps .. do i strive for 30-45 mins underpressure? And should i try no days off except when eq dips .

Thank ahead , ill consider your recommendations with caution

Hey,

Glad to help...! That's a variation of the standard timed pressure hold and its both safe and efficient in creating new girth. So yes, increase time under pressure to 5 minutes, then rest for 2-5 to restore circulation. Cycle between exercise and rest, working up to 60+ minutes done every other day. You're on the right track, just need more time under pressure to first break down the tissue, then cause expansion during each session. Consistency is key going forward with that to be successful...( :

 

[watersnake]

I will critique your dismissal of the Jelq. The jelq is a time- honoured tradition, and when practiced effectively I believe it is a superpower of enlargement. I think you and many others may come at the exercise the wrong way. The jelq is stimulatory, it is not a sterile motion. The jelq can be practiced when aroused, and it can be practiced in place of masturbation. The jelq is erotic and exotic. Shamans and spirits may come forth when practiced properly.

 

[PEispossible]

Hi,

Thank you. Depending upon the type of hanging and tissue weakening (or lack thereof) performed, you could go years without seeing results after the newbie length gains have been pulled free from the body. That's what gives you the huge initial gains, not any actual growth occurring. Many examples of that on our forum. In general, the longer you wear a device (with sufficient weight and weakening method) the longer it will become over time.

That BIB injury and the dead end of heavy hanging brought me back to the drawing board, in much the same way my jelqing injury had for girth. After more research I realized that both BIB's hanger and extenders available via Urologists (science based approach) functioned the same way. Time under tension, NOT the weight being used. I found 4-10 lbs worn over long periods had the same effect the extenders did and in a much safer way than the compression hangers.

So is it your thinking that initial newbie gains are just the suspensatory ligament AKA Lig stretch or lig coming out of the body and no actual tunica gains?

I forgot to mention I've had a injury as well I split my urethra a black blood clot with blood came out it wasn't too serious this was with another compression style hanger before I started with the bib
So you think hanging longer periods even with compression style hangers is okay and healthy for the penis even though 20 minute breaks are recommended for cell death? I've hung up the 30 minutes before with a compression stall hanger and didn't have any issues or didn't seem to.

 

[M9ter]

I will critique your dismissal of the Jelq. The jelq is a time- honoured tradition, and when practiced effectively I believe it is a superpower of enlargement. I think you and many others may come at the exercise the wrong way. The jelq is stimulatory, it is not a sterile motion. The jelq can be practiced when aroused, and it can be practiced in place of masturbation. The jelq is erotic and exotic. Shamans and spirits may come forth when practiced properly.

Duly noted...!

I don't want to come across as glib, but can I give the often dozens of men monthly who write me about being injured from Jelqing your personal email address so you can tell them that? Sorry to be sharp about it, but I can't ignore my own injury nor the number of injuries I've had to counsel over the years. If you can be seriously injured by doing something wrong (even when you have been doing it for months), its a shitty exercise....LOL.

 

[M9ter]

So is it your thinking that initial newbie gains are just the suspensatory ligament AKA Lig stretch or lig coming out of the body and no actual tunica gains?

I forgot to mention I've had a injury as well I split my urethra a black blood clot with blood came out it wasn't too serious this was with another compression style hanger before I started with the bib
So you think hanging longer periods even with compression style hangers is okay and healthy for the penis even though 20 minute breaks are recommended for cell death? I've hung up the 30 minutes before with a compression stall hanger and didn't have any issues or didn't seem to.

Hi,

From the super fast length gains I've witnessed from some users on the forum and my own experiences, I stand by my belief its hidden length. When newbie length gains (hidden length exhausted) that's when the real work begins. Most guys see the first inch almost overnight, while the second comes along in 18-24 months on average, so that does fit with my observations. Ugh, sorry to hear about the urethral tear. That's like the pressure safety valve and often the first to yield/pop when exposed to excess force. The urethra is usually the weak link. Very common with hanging. Sorry, I meant devices other than BIB style hangers for long term wear times.. As for compression hangers, they're really not meant for more than a few minutes wear at a time, with the new MaleHanger device inventor backing that up. Get the setup right, you can wear it for that 30 mins. Get that setup wrong and you begin to feel tingling, numbness, or excess cold....you join the list of those injured while wearing a compression hanger. So the margin for error is there and risks to take versus safer methods like Vac hanging (LG Hanger) that can support up to 15 lbs these days. Just my experience.

 

[pe4life2]

For people that don’t have ADS - what do you recommend to keep the penis from turtling (or atleast in the most elongated state possibly)?

 

[Party]

For people that don’t have ADS - what do you recommend to keep the penis from turtling (or atleast in the most elongated state possibly)?

A good pump in the morning usually keeps me from turtleing most of the day. But mostly keeping my junk warn. Occasionally I’ll wear a snug but not to tight cock and\or cock and ball ring. No blue balls

 

[Kickstand42]

There seems to be anecdotal reporting/evidence that training should be focused on girth or length rather than both at the same time. Sort of reminds me of interference effects when doing a lot of cardio + hypertrophy training, and kind of intuitively makes sense.

after reading your suggestion of using a hold to weaken the tunica prior to stretching I am wondering if you think there is truth to only training one “domain” at a time or if it doesn’t make much difference and that generally it’s possible to get gain in both at the same time that are similar (maybe slightly less) than what you would gain if it was focused.

 

[M9ter]

For people that don’t have ADS - what do you recommend to keep the penis from turtling (or atleast in the most elongated state possibly)?

Hi,


Timed pressure hold done just a few minutes before you go out or may been seen naked will give you the same flushed flaccid look you would get from pumping for the same length of time. As the tunica breaks down over the course of weeks, the flaccid will usually turn to flushed/larger hang throughout the day.