I'm M9 (M9ter) from Reddit's PE forum r/ajelqforyou, AMA (Ask Me Anything)

[Azmike]

See you there. Thanks!

Hey,

Thank you and it was a pleasure to be here..! Should you need to reach me, I'm on Reddit quite often with the same user name of course...( :

 

[Big Al]

Hi M9
Thank you for jumping onboard in shedding some knowledge and experience with us, I look forward to hearing all you have to say in relation to PE.
Thank you Big AI for making it happen and keeping things interesting.

We're glad to help!

 

[pe4life2]

I just read the Wiki on Reddit - so your thoughts are that jelqing is dangerous for the penis? Can you elaborate on this? It seems like majority of the people, including myself, had a lot of our gains through jelqing.

 

[M9ter]

I just read the Wiki on Reddit - so your thoughts are that jelqing is dangerous for the penis? Can you elaborate on this? It seems like majority of the people, including myself, had a lot of our gains through jelqing.

Myself and far too many others have experienced injuries from jelqing. Even to this day, that is the number one cause of injury I get contacted about. Jelqing is both dangerous and inefficient in terms of gains. When the internet was first available to the public, jelqing was really the only technique available so everyone did it and it ended up being essentially immortal on the internet. Just like you and others have, I also gained from it but found it couldn't provide continued progress (plateaued) and was far too easy to be injured by. Let me explain why.

Jelqing is a poor pressure creation method in terms of stress application. The blood pressure being applied to the glans, chambers, and veins varies wildly as the "seal" grip is rapidly moved up the shaft towards the base of the glans. Pressures can easily exceed vascular bursting force faster than the body can react to prevent damage. Multiply that by the number of reps typically performed and the possibility of injury increases by multiple factors. That was wet jelqing. Then there is dry jelqing…… FAR greater chance for injury when performed while dry handed and that seal can create even higher pressure while also adding the possibility of tearing veins from the shaft (happened to me).

Compare that method to timed pressure holds which follow the Diamond Method, which is a more scientific approach to PE. That is the mindset of stress + time = growth as demonstrated by medically approved extenders, skin grafting, and Megallophallus victim studies. Internal pressure is fully controlled and ramps in a linear fashion, with the ability to fine tune the pressure to stay within safe limits. Just a few minutes of pressure holds does the same job as hundreds of jelqing strokes, and you can target the growth anywhere you want. Much safer and more results efficient. Lastly many pressure holds use the body's natural erection response or kegels to fill the shaft, with the hands building pressure, using the grip as a valve. Worst injuries I've seen in other users or myself with pressure holds were bruises.!

I actually helped found the r/ajelgforyou (the name is an homage to the practice of jelqing) Reddit forum to steer guys towards safer and more effective techniques so they can avoid my mistakes. Did you know the creator of the Angion Methods (Janus Bifronz) was injured while jelqing and it inspired him to create his PE new techniques and philosophy?

 

[pe4life2]

Makes sense - question for ya

I’ve been off of PE for a couple years and am looking to gain another 1” in length and 1” in girth, and since it’s been a while I figured I’d start with the beginner routine.

Is it fine to do 1 day length, 1 day girth? Both beginner - stretching 5 minutes on 2 minutes off, for a total of 30 minutes, so about 20-22 minutes of time under tension. If I’m doing the time wrong please let me know, this is what I got from the wiki page. For the girth I’m going to do the beginner compressed hold.

Or should I only focus on one (length vs girth) before the other? I’m thinking of doing the beginner for about 30 days before switching to intermediate and ADS (never done before but the wrecking ball looks intriguing)

 

[splinter3693]

How long should one wear a ballstretcher for?

 

[M9ter]

Makes sense - question for ya

I’ve been off of PE for a couple years and am looking to gain another 1” in length and 1” in girth, and since it’s been a while I figured I’d start with the beginner routine.

Is it fine to do 1 day length, 1 day girth? Both beginner - stretching 5 minutes on 2 minutes off, for a total of 30 minutes, so about 20-22 minutes of time under tension. If I’m doing the time wrong please let me know, this is what I got from the wiki page. For the girth I’m going to do the beginner compressed hold.

Or should I only focus on one (length vs girth) before the other? I’m thinking of doing the beginner for about 30 days before switching to intermediate and ADS (never done before but the wrecking ball looks intriguing)

Hey,

That really depends upon how you achieved your initial gains, your starting stats and current stats. All of that data impacts what I can suggest for you. If you want to try the Wrecking Ball DIY or the LG Hanger version, its ok to use the timed pressure holds to weaken the tunica. The WB is an interesting gadget. Its about $100 to build as a DIY, but can be tricky to tune/fit for those not that handy. Let me know about your experience and stats...Thanks..!

 

[M9ter]

How long should one wear a ballstretcher for?

Hi,

Are you referring to its use in PE work, or to wearing it to lengthen the skin of the scrotum? In general, the longer you wear a device the longer it becomes. So that means wearing it as long as you can each day for max results.

 

[splinter3693]

Hi,

Are you referring to its use in PE work, or to wearing it to lengthen the skin of the scrotum? In general, the longer you wear a device the longer it becomes. So that means wearing it as long as you can each day for max results.

Ty, that answers the question.
My other question is: I just ordered a cheap eBay Vac ADS that I plan on converting to a hanger. Is it ok if I tie a shoe lace to the vac cup and a weight to that? Not sure how to convert it otherwise, ty!

 

[pe4life2]

Hey,

That really depends upon how you achieved your initial gains, your starting stats and current stats. All of that data impacts what I can suggest for you. If you want to try the Wrecking Ball DIY or the LG Hanger version, its ok to use the timed pressure holds to weaken the tunica. The WB is an interesting gadget. Its about $100 to build as a DIY, but can be tricky to tune/fit for those not that handy. Let me know about your experience and stats...Thanks..!

I would say I’ve done a little bit of everything including wet jelq, manually stretching of ALL kinds (no machines or ADS - most stretches were a max of 60 seconds) Uli’s, modified squeezes (anything involving manually squeezing was about 30-45 secs per rep), and most intensely was clamping. Clamping I would say was in sessions of 10-20 minutes but I can’t exactly recall since that was in 2013/2014. Since my PE career has been on and off for 10 years, it’s hard to say exactly what gave me my best gains, but if had to say, it may have been the clamping (That's when I remembered it being pretty large looking lol).

I’ve always done PE sessions as multiple exercises, such as Jelqing -> Uli -> Stretching -> Edging as one session, and never dedicated one form of exercise as my whole session.

Edit: I don't know what's going on with the website's signatures and why they aren't showing up (my stats are on there), but here are the stats:

Beginning (2010): Roughly 6.8" x 4.7-4.8" (BPEL x MEG)
Best (Late 2017): 8.2" x 5.25" (BPEL x MEG) with ~5.75" BEG
Current: Around 7.5" x 5.125 (BPEL x MEG) with ~5.5" BEG

Edit 2: My goal would be to get to about 8.5" BPEL x 6" MEG (probably more importantly MEG since I already bottom out on my gf from time to time, but when I was ~8.2” BPEL it was the same frequency of bottoming out (same girl) so I think she’ll adjust if I got to 8.5 BPEL)

 

[Big Al]

Edit: I don't know what's going on with the website's signatures and why they aren't showing up (my stats are on there), but here are the stats:

Are you using firefox? There's an issue with viewing sig files using a firefox browser. They do appear to show using Edge and other browsers.

 

[pe4life2]

Are you using firefox? There's an issue with viewing sig files using a firefox browser. They do appear to show using Edge and other browsers.

nope - using iPhone safari and Google Chrome on desktop. Oddly enough, signatures show when I’m logged out, but when I log in, signatures disappear.

 

[Big Al]

nope - using iPhone safari and Google Chrome on desktop. Oddly enough, signatures show when I’m logged out, but when I log in, signatures disappear.

This is very interesting, thanks! Will get it looked into ASAP!

 

[PEispossible]

Welcome to the forum. They are impressive length gains, akin to Bib. And, impressive girth gains. I ve done pe from 2000-2002. Manual exercises, then pumping. I may have gained small amount of length in that time. I'm after length right now as I've heard continuesly, length first, girth next. Do you think that's correct?

The past three years I've hung. BTC and so. I've gained the most with so it appears. Quarter of an inch, maybe a lil over that, which tells me I've been having issues if all I have gained is that in three years dedicated consistent hanging. I've hung 1 plus hours every day for three years . Since Feb 2020 4 up to 5 20 mins sets daily.

Do you think there's a certain time limit each day or sets with hanging each week that must be met for length gains?
gain

I've used the bib hanger since Feb 2020 and stretched skin from hanger from probably attaching too close to base. . I hung up to 31 lbs 10-20 minutes , and either I have tough collagen tissues or I attached too far up. I attach lower now. I've gotten which is a limiting factor, correct? Where would you date your collagen tissue? High I assume? More massive gains tens to be on the beginning of the bell curve in collagen tissue in their penis. I've had signs of nerve damage before, no erections. How long did you use the bib? Did you consult him and he helped you? You mention you e had nerve damage from bib?

What do you think is the best exercise for length in most efficient time?

As far as my research 1/4 inch is close to the maximum which can be gained in a month. Over that it's nerve damage, at least from hanging . You ve gained 1.5 inches in four months from hanging?

Do you think bib hanger is just unsafe? Do you think 20 minutes sets are ideal and or safe from r compression hanger?

Is manual even worth it if hanging? If not hanging on a day , any tips for better grip on manual stretching?

 

[SearchOfEldorado]

Do you have suggestions as to how an advanced trainee would go about making gains with a lack of privacy at home? Can you accumulate a sufficient amount of stimuli to grow both in length and girth by doing several quick sessions of manual exercises/clamping throughout the day? which devices and exercises would you use yourself if you didn't have the privacy to hang at home or clamp for 30-60 minutes at a time.

 

[Dangler]

nope - using iPhone safari and Google Chrome on desktop. Oddly enough, signatures show when I’m logged out, but when I log in, signatures disappear.

Your account had 'Show Signatures' set to No.
I changed it to Yes, and saved it.
Please see how that effects things and let us know.

 

[BigO]

Hello M9,

What amount of time have you been able to clamp for uninterrupted to simulate priaprism.

Many believe that 20 minutes is pushing it as far as safety.

We're you doiyoulonger sets or more shorter sets?

Thanks in advance

 

[M9ter]

Ty, that answers the question.
My other question is: I just ordered a cheap eBay Vac ADS that I plan on converting to a hanger. Is it ok if I tie a shoe lace to the vac cup and a weight to that? Not sure how to convert it otherwise, ty!

Hey,

You can either attach the weight with a string or buy a bungie/para cord with a rated pull strength and make a loop so that one end is tied to the cup, the other to the loop which can be attached to the foot...( :

 

[M9ter]

I would say I’ve done a little bit of everything including wet jelq, manually stretching of ALL kinds (no machines or ADS - most stretches were a max of 60 seconds) Uli’s, modified squeezes (anything involving manually squeezing was about 30-45 secs per rep), and most intensely was clamping. Clamping I would say was in sessions of 10-20 minutes but I can’t exactly recall since that was in 2013/2014. Since my PE career has been on and off for 10 years, it’s hard to say exactly what gave me my best gains, but if had to say, it may have been the clamping (That's when I remembered it being pretty large looking lol).

I’ve always done PE sessions as multiple exercises, such as Jelqing -> Uli -> Stretching -> Edging as one session, and never dedicated one form of exercise as my whole session.

Edit: I don't know what's going on with the website's signatures and why they aren't showing up (my stats are on there), but here are the stats:

Beginning (2010): Roughly 6.8" x 4.7-4.8" (BPEL x MEG)
Best (Late 2017): 8.2" x 5.25" (BPEL x MEG) with ~5.75" BEG
Current: Around 7.5" x 5.125 (BPEL x MEG) with ~5.5" BEG

Edit 2: My goal would be to get to about 8.5" BPEL x 6" MEG (probably more importantly MEG since I already bottom out on my gf from time to time, but when I was ~8.2” BPEL it was the same frequency of bottoming out (same girl) so I think she’ll adjust if I got to 8.5 BPEL)

Hi,

Congrats on your current progress...! Ok, So devices such as extenders, and low weight ADS tend to be less effective for those who have previously used manual stretching due to the thickening and strengthening from the loads being placed on the shaft and glans. That said, if you have used manuals to date they should still be effective if you have the right form of tissue weakening. Understand that girthwork will also increase length as a side effect. So focusing on a combo routine would benefit you the most. Weakening the tunica can be done by manual or cable clamping, combined with static stretches in one direction only. Hard to add all the techniques here that are featured on Reddit, so search timed pressure holds and the term shockloading. I will add the WIKI page we use here: https://old.reddit.com/r/AJelqForYou/wiki/index

 

[M9ter]

Welcome to the forum. They are impressive length gains, akin to Bib. And, impressive girth gains. I ve done pe from 2000-2002. Manual exercises, then pumping. I may have gained small amount of length in that time. I'm after length right now as I've heard continuesly, length first, girth next. Do you think that's correct?

The past three years I've hung. BTC and so. I've gained the most with so it appears. Quarter of an inch, maybe a lil over that, which tells me I've been having issues if all I have gained is that in three years dedicated consistent hanging. I've hung 1 plus hours every day for three years . Since Feb 2020 4 up to 5 20 mins sets daily.

Do you think there's a certain time limit each day or sets with hanging each week that must be met for length gains?
gain

I've used the bib hanger since Feb 2020 and stretched skin from hanger from probably attaching too close to base. . I hung up to 31 lbs 10-20 minutes , and either I have tough collagen tissues or I attached too far up. I attach lower now. I've gotten which is a limiting factor, correct? Where would you date your collagen tissue? High I assume? More massive gains tens to be on the beginning of the bell curve in collagen tissue in their penis. I've had signs of nerve damage before, no erections. How long did you use the bib? Did you consult him and he helped you? You mention you e had nerve damage from bib?

What do you think is the best exercise for length in most efficient time?

As far as my research 1/4 inch is close to the maximum which can be gained in a month. Over that it's nerve damage, at least from hanging . You ve gained 1.5 inches in four months from hanging?

Do you think bib hanger is just unsafe? Do you think 20 minutes sets are ideal and or safe from r compression hanger?

Is manual even worth it if hanging? If not hanging on a day , any tips for better grip on manual stretching?

Hi,

Thank you. Depending upon the type of hanging and tissue weakening (or lack thereof) performed, you could go years without seeing results after the newbie length gains have been pulled free from the body. That's what gives you the huge initial gains, not any actual growth occurring. Many examples of that on our forum. In general, the longer you wear a device (with sufficient weight and weakening method) the longer it will become over time. I owned the first BIBs that came out for reference. Most compression hangers occlude bloodflow and more importantly crush/damage the pudendal nerve which controls erection and sensation. Happened to me as well. The higher the weight you attach, the more chance for injury. Simple observation for any heavy hanging. I'm a vet of heavy hanging (max 45 lbs) and found it to be a dead end once you can no longer safely attach the weight to keep gains going, they stop/slow to a crawl. When I was injured, I had already been doing PE for years and actually invented the most powerful hanger (Weight Sling/Shopping Bag Hanger) after I was injured by the BIB. When I learned others had been injured as well by the BIB, I knew it wasn't going to do much to contact him.

That BIB injury and the dead end of heavy hanging brought me back to the drawing board, in much the same way my jelqing injury had for girth. After more research I realized that both BIB's hanger and extenders available via Urologists (science based approach) functioned the same way. Time under tension, NOT the weight being used. I found 4-10 lbs worn over long periods had the same effect the extenders did and in a much safer way than the compression hangers. BIB sometimes wore his hanger 12-16 hours per day (taken from his old advertising and forums posts/comments) while working at his desk. I did the same (standing up at my job/home-God I HATED that) with tissue weakening and a low weight ADS (circle device). So its not surprising to me why we had similar outcomes.

Best tips for manual stretching I can give are:

Don't use excess force. A steady, moderate stretch with a grip just tight enough to prevent the glans escaping the grip is all you need. Tight grip can cause nerve damage.
Don't stretch in all directions (counterproductive). Ask yourself if extenders work by spinning your penis around like a propeller or use time under tension in one direction.
Stretch in one direction (static stretch) versus the dozens of stretches offered out there.

Just my two cents...