Blink2000's Progress Journal
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I'm back after a very long hiatus (it may have been as much as 15 years). I'm also confused about my starting stats (I saw on thunders that I posted 6" and the same here, but I'm confident I only measured 5.4" at first, but I may not have counted that because getting to 6" may have come purely from EQ gains. It's unclear at this point & too far in the past to say for sure.
--- starting ----
BPEL 5.4" EG 4.88"
--- current ----
BPEL 7" EG 5.25" (~38% volume gain from start)
--- goal ----
BPEL 7.5" EG 6" (~68% volume gain from start)
Also, my flaccid used to be 2" to 3", but it now tends to stay around 5.5" (longer than my original erect length). In addition to hanging, I spent (probably years?) hanging weights from my flaccid junk under my pants.
I also gained weight & got fat due to career (I lost 75lbs on a combination of lifting, cardio, keto, & intermittent fasting). I think I'm about 2 months away from regaining my 6 pack (so my PE situation is now at the top of my list). Also, I have a huge backlog of messages here & on thunders that I haven't replied to yet (it will take me a while to catch up).
My original goal on Th***ers P**ce was 9" (that was wishful thinking honestly). I think 7.5" is within reach, and I think it's time I worked on girth gains (so I purchased a bathmate hydroextreme 9 -- I hope this is a good device), and I plan to learn pumping (which I've never done before). I'll be scouring these forums for knowledge on how to pump.
I'm getting older -- my EQ has declined quite a bit and I'm worried about ED now. I'm hoping pumping can help me regain my EQ from years ago (I recall PE got me feeling like I was 18 again in terms of EQ ...). I can still get erect, but I can easily lose it & it's not as hard as when I was younger.
Finally, I'm a bit rusty on knowlege (I need to re-read my old articles), but I plan to help others once again. Our whole lives we are taught we can't change our penis size... but my ruler and measuring tape have clearly proved that wrong (regardless of my uncertainty about my original starting point, before I got engaged on any forum). I was shocked to see the other day that a 7" penis is in the top 1% of penis size -- and it's weird to think that I've accomplished that, because I've spent my whole life thinking my penis was small.
--- starting ----
BPEL 5.4" EG 4.88"
--- current ----
BPEL 7" EG 5.25" (~38% volume gain from start)
--- goal ----
BPEL 7.5" EG 6" (~68% volume gain from start)
Also, my flaccid used to be 2" to 3", but it now tends to stay around 5.5" (longer than my original erect length). In addition to hanging, I spent (probably years?) hanging weights from my flaccid junk under my pants.
I also gained weight & got fat due to career (I lost 75lbs on a combination of lifting, cardio, keto, & intermittent fasting). I think I'm about 2 months away from regaining my 6 pack (so my PE situation is now at the top of my list). Also, I have a huge backlog of messages here & on thunders that I haven't replied to yet (it will take me a while to catch up).
My original goal on Th***ers P**ce was 9" (that was wishful thinking honestly). I think 7.5" is within reach, and I think it's time I worked on girth gains (so I purchased a bathmate hydroextreme 9 -- I hope this is a good device), and I plan to learn pumping (which I've never done before). I'll be scouring these forums for knowledge on how to pump.
I'm getting older -- my EQ has declined quite a bit and I'm worried about ED now. I'm hoping pumping can help me regain my EQ from years ago (I recall PE got me feeling like I was 18 again in terms of EQ ...). I can still get erect, but I can easily lose it & it's not as hard as when I was younger.
Finally, I'm a bit rusty on knowlege (I need to re-read my old articles), but I plan to help others once again. Our whole lives we are taught we can't change our penis size... but my ruler and measuring tape have clearly proved that wrong (regardless of my uncertainty about my original starting point, before I got engaged on any forum). I was shocked to see the other day that a 7" penis is in the top 1% of penis size -- and it's weird to think that I've accomplished that, because I've spent my whole life thinking my penis was small.
I checked my logs on thunders & my logs here on PEGym. Both say I started at 6", so for consistency (if no other reason), I'll stick with stating my gains as starting from
--- starting ----
BPEL 6" EG 4.88" (29.28 volume)
--- current ----
BPEL 7" EG 5.25" (36.75 volume, 23% gain from start)
--- goal ----
BPEL 7.5" EG 6" (45 volume, 42% gain from start)
First, regarding my confusion around starting size, I started on DLD's forum around 2007/2008, and was running a beginner routine. I made some early gains before I began posting on other forums (like Thunders in 2008 & Biohacker / PEGym here in 2010), which is why I had the discrepancy between my original starting size (pre-pe) and my the beginnning of my logs (which began after I had already been doing PE for a while).
----Pre-PE Starting Size (2007/2008)----
BPEL 5.4" x BEG 4.75" (approximate)
---- Starting Size (when I began posting on forums around 2008) ----
BPEL 6" x BEG 4.88"
I've thought a lot about what makes PE'ers successful - I spent time last night researching the most successful people in the history of PE, these are the top fraction of a percent who made insane gains (often 3" in length / 1.5" in girth). Some were older, but a fair number were also younger. I do think the condition of our tissues must make a big difference. Some of the older more successful PE'ers made their gains partly by recovering from ED, and others (some of the people who started young) seemed to perpetually make newbie gains (maybe being younger their tissue was more flexible / capable of recovery & growth). With one exception, most spent excessive time on PE and somehow didn't injure themselves (we are talking hours per day, the median might be 2 hours, but some were spending 4 hours per day).
One pattern I've seen is all successful PE'ers use a manual routine (no surprise there; I always mixed a manual routine with hanging), and fair number mixed in pumping or hanging, or even all three. Maybe 30% or 40% of the most successful PE'ers only did manual routines. Out of the more successful ones, it seems they all had an extreme intensity when doing their PE, and they somehow found the riight limits (and most avoided major injuries). I was a college athlete and now I'm wondering in hindsight if I pushed myself too hard - towards the end of my time hanging I kept getting injured and had bruising (and had to learn to do firegoat rolls to recover -- the discoloring / bruising in my penis took a while to clear up/ maybe a few months!).
Either a few rare people have more potential, or most of us fail to realize just how far to push ourselves to the "sweet spot" for gains. Given that I saw a relatively even spread where the most successful PE'ers didn't use any particular approach (manual vs devices), one exception being Bib who gained a claimed 4.5" from hanging growing all the way to 10.5". A lot of people in this group grew from the 5" BPEL range to the 8" or 9" BPEL range, and most gained 1.5" to 2" of girth. There's a lack of pictues of these people, but then again, I myself have refused to post pictures, and I know my gains of 1" or more are real. Many forum old-timers don't believe these stories & belive maxium gains are around 1.5" of length and maybe 1.25" of girth (people jump in & correct me if you think any of these sentiments are wrong).
I saw all sorts of patterns in successful PEers in terms of time... I saw some people were 5 days on / 2 days off, 6 days on / 1 day off, and in a couple cases, there were people that went 3 months on 1 month off (some people seemed to be able to repeat newbie growth gains by cycling on & off, which can take a lot of discipline). However, I saw others that supposedly never took a decon break and made perpetual gains for 3 years. Many of the very successful PE'ers only took around 3-4 years total to make their gains (but I feel my comparable attempts during a similar time-frame didn't yield nearly the same success).
In my own case hanging worked too slow and towards the end after a few years, I was getting injured a lot; maybe I was pushing too much. Maybe I wasn't putting the right attention into my manual routine, or perhaps it was a combination of factors. I'm looking at others who had more success and thinking about how I can change my program. The reason I stopped PE'ing is I was focused on hanging, but had life changing events where I lost the privacy to keep hanging (even now, it may be akward to start hanging again), thus I may end up focusing on approaches (at least for a while) that don't require as much setup -- manual & pumping type routines).
----Pre-PE Starting Size (2007/2008)----
BPEL 5.4" x BEG 4.75" (approximate)
---- Starting Size (when I began posting on forums around 2008) ----
BPEL 6" x BEG 4.88"
I've thought a lot about what makes PE'ers successful - I spent time last night researching the most successful people in the history of PE, these are the top fraction of a percent who made insane gains (often 3" in length / 1.5" in girth). Some were older, but a fair number were also younger. I do think the condition of our tissues must make a big difference. Some of the older more successful PE'ers made their gains partly by recovering from ED, and others (some of the people who started young) seemed to perpetually make newbie gains (maybe being younger their tissue was more flexible / capable of recovery & growth). With one exception, most spent excessive time on PE and somehow didn't injure themselves (we are talking hours per day, the median might be 2 hours, but some were spending 4 hours per day).
One pattern I've seen is all successful PE'ers use a manual routine (no surprise there; I always mixed a manual routine with hanging), and fair number mixed in pumping or hanging, or even all three. Maybe 30% or 40% of the most successful PE'ers only did manual routines. Out of the more successful ones, it seems they all had an extreme intensity when doing their PE, and they somehow found the riight limits (and most avoided major injuries). I was a college athlete and now I'm wondering in hindsight if I pushed myself too hard - towards the end of my time hanging I kept getting injured and had bruising (and had to learn to do firegoat rolls to recover -- the discoloring / bruising in my penis took a while to clear up/ maybe a few months!).
Either a few rare people have more potential, or most of us fail to realize just how far to push ourselves to the "sweet spot" for gains. Given that I saw a relatively even spread where the most successful PE'ers didn't use any particular approach (manual vs devices), one exception being Bib who gained a claimed 4.5" from hanging growing all the way to 10.5". A lot of people in this group grew from the 5" BPEL range to the 8" or 9" BPEL range, and most gained 1.5" to 2" of girth. There's a lack of pictues of these people, but then again, I myself have refused to post pictures, and I know my gains of 1" or more are real. Many forum old-timers don't believe these stories & belive maxium gains are around 1.5" of length and maybe 1.25" of girth (people jump in & correct me if you think any of these sentiments are wrong).
I saw all sorts of patterns in successful PEers in terms of time... I saw some people were 5 days on / 2 days off, 6 days on / 1 day off, and in a couple cases, there were people that went 3 months on 1 month off (some people seemed to be able to repeat newbie growth gains by cycling on & off, which can take a lot of discipline). However, I saw others that supposedly never took a decon break and made perpetual gains for 3 years. Many of the very successful PE'ers only took around 3-4 years total to make their gains (but I feel my comparable attempts during a similar time-frame didn't yield nearly the same success).
In my own case hanging worked too slow and towards the end after a few years, I was getting injured a lot; maybe I was pushing too much. Maybe I wasn't putting the right attention into my manual routine, or perhaps it was a combination of factors. I'm looking at others who had more success and thinking about how I can change my program. The reason I stopped PE'ing is I was focused on hanging, but had life changing events where I lost the privacy to keep hanging (even now, it may be akward to start hanging again), thus I may end up focusing on approaches (at least for a while) that don't require as much setup -- manual & pumping type routines).
After I reached BPEL 6.75" I stopped posting on forums and didn't rejoin until now, so my own history on how & when I reached BPEL 7" is hazy (I think I stopped around 2011/2012 so there's a gap of 11+ years.
---- Current Size ----
BPEL 7" x BEG 5.25"
One thing I'll say is the size difference makes an extreme impact on my wife / sex-life. I have always been open about my PE with her, and athough I could please her pretty well when I first met her (I may have been approx BPEL 6.5" by BEG 5"), my current size makes a massive difference (I can give her 10 orgasms in a row now), and when she's on top, the length of my penis no longer fits inside her without hitting the end of her uterus and bending. She often complains of me bruising her internally (she gets really sore), but it's obvious my size changes make a major difference in how quickly / easily I can please her. I used to always wonder if size matters when pleasing a women, and although it's not everything, my own experience tells me it's really true (size does matter).
Setting new goals: (I probably did this too fast & will revise my goal)
The question is, what size is enough where I should probably just stop doing PE if I reach it (other than maintenance). My wife keeps saying I really don't need to do more PE (but she also understands part of my goal is to prevent ED). If I think about how big is "enough" it's probably a size that isn't completely ridiculous (in fact, I am not sure I believe the few on other forums who claimed they grew from modest beginnings of 5" or 6" to sizes of 9" or 10"). Regardless, I think 8" x 6" is enough and is a phenomal size (that's a volume of 48 [8" x 6"] vs my starting volume of 25.65 [5.4" x 4.75"]. I also want a size where I can still "raise the flag" in my old age, and I worry a more extreme size my bring it's own physiology issues (even if it was possible).
---- New, New Goal (yes I changed my mind) ----
BPEL 8" x BEG 6"
---- Current Size ----
BPEL 7" x BEG 5.25"
One thing I'll say is the size difference makes an extreme impact on my wife / sex-life. I have always been open about my PE with her, and athough I could please her pretty well when I first met her (I may have been approx BPEL 6.5" by BEG 5"), my current size makes a massive difference (I can give her 10 orgasms in a row now), and when she's on top, the length of my penis no longer fits inside her without hitting the end of her uterus and bending. She often complains of me bruising her internally (she gets really sore), but it's obvious my size changes make a major difference in how quickly / easily I can please her. I used to always wonder if size matters when pleasing a women, and although it's not everything, my own experience tells me it's really true (size does matter).
Setting new goals: (I probably did this too fast & will revise my goal)
The question is, what size is enough where I should probably just stop doing PE if I reach it (other than maintenance). My wife keeps saying I really don't need to do more PE (but she also understands part of my goal is to prevent ED). If I think about how big is "enough" it's probably a size that isn't completely ridiculous (in fact, I am not sure I believe the few on other forums who claimed they grew from modest beginnings of 5" or 6" to sizes of 9" or 10"). Regardless, I think 8" x 6" is enough and is a phenomal size (that's a volume of 48 [8" x 6"] vs my starting volume of 25.65 [5.4" x 4.75"]. I also want a size where I can still "raise the flag" in my old age, and I worry a more extreme size my bring it's own physiology issues (even if it was possible).
---- New, New Goal (yes I changed my mind) ----
BPEL 8" x BEG 6"
How will I achieve my goal?
I think I I will start with a beginner routine (it's been so many years) and get caught up on my knowledge again. During that time I'll be researching a new approach to PE. I already ordered a bathmate pump, so I will include pumping (I've always had an interest in pumping and the benefits for temporary gains & ED prevention are too tempting to pass up). Jelq's and manual stretches will definitely be included too. However, I may try some of the more advanced manual techniques this time around (especially given that a manual approach alone is good enough for many of the best gainers of all time).
I'll see how far I can go with pumping & manual work, and if I hit a plateau for too long, then I'll probably start hanging again (I still have all my equipment & my Bib hanger).
I think I I will start with a beginner routine (it's been so many years) and get caught up on my knowledge again. During that time I'll be researching a new approach to PE. I already ordered a bathmate pump, so I will include pumping (I've always had an interest in pumping and the benefits for temporary gains & ED prevention are too tempting to pass up). Jelq's and manual stretches will definitely be included too. However, I may try some of the more advanced manual techniques this time around (especially given that a manual approach alone is good enough for many of the best gainers of all time).
I'll see how far I can go with pumping & manual work, and if I hit a plateau for too long, then I'll probably start hanging again (I still have all my equipment & my Bib hanger).
I'm now on day 4 of typical 90 day beginner routine. Just your basic warm-up, manual stretches (5m), jelq (10m), warm-down & kegels. I'll slowly expand to manual stretches (10m) and jelq (30m). 2 days on, 1 day off.
I'm keeping a log on a spreadsheet so I can graph / chart progress. Daily focus measure is BPFSL (in cm), and periodic checks (maybe weekly) I'll track BPEL / EG.
-I'm tracking in centimeters (and converting to inches)
-I'm following a newer theory that you want BPFSL (before /after routine) to stay around +2% to +4% (otherwise, it implies routine may be using too much force)... I thought my routine was pretty gentle but had +5%.
-BPFSL is my primary indicator of progress and as long as I grow 1/8" per month, I consider that excellent.
-I made a slide ruler to make it easier to track progress ... I have EQ challenges sometimes (maybe because I'm on both TRT & finesteride). I did have weak morning wood the other day (I had not seen that in a while) so maybe PE is aready working
-I plan ot keep heat on my unit at all times, and I got the following off amazon.com "Far Infrared Heating Brace with Heating/PW150l Thermal Pad for CTS"... I got a generic small eletric heating pad at a local retail store, but it was so pathetic I took it back
-During my routine, I keep a space heater pointed at my unit at all times (when I'm not using a rice sock), it took effort to setup a bathroom situation where I have my own microwave to heat rice socks (so the kids won't ask questions)
See attached for the slide ruler I hacked together and the heating pad I plan to attach to my ADS or hanger. I'm going to start with ADS only, then bring in the hanger if I hit a wall. I haven't decided what ADS I'm using.
Hanger - Bib (won't use until I plateau)
Pump - Bathmate Hydro extreme 9 (will use light routine, to grow girth very slow, & will keep focus on length)
ADS - undecided. Leaning towards penimaster, but considering other options too.
I'm keeping a log on a spreadsheet so I can graph / chart progress. Daily focus measure is BPFSL (in cm), and periodic checks (maybe weekly) I'll track BPEL / EG.
-I'm tracking in centimeters (and converting to inches)
-I'm following a newer theory that you want BPFSL (before /after routine) to stay around +2% to +4% (otherwise, it implies routine may be using too much force)... I thought my routine was pretty gentle but had +5%.
-BPFSL is my primary indicator of progress and as long as I grow 1/8" per month, I consider that excellent.
-I made a slide ruler to make it easier to track progress ... I have EQ challenges sometimes (maybe because I'm on both TRT & finesteride). I did have weak morning wood the other day (I had not seen that in a while) so maybe PE is aready working
-I plan ot keep heat on my unit at all times, and I got the following off amazon.com "Far Infrared Heating Brace with Heating/PW150l Thermal Pad for CTS"... I got a generic small eletric heating pad at a local retail store, but it was so pathetic I took it back
-During my routine, I keep a space heater pointed at my unit at all times (when I'm not using a rice sock), it took effort to setup a bathroom situation where I have my own microwave to heat rice socks (so the kids won't ask questions)
See attached for the slide ruler I hacked together and the heating pad I plan to attach to my ADS or hanger. I'm going to start with ADS only, then bring in the hanger if I hit a wall. I haven't decided what ADS I'm using.
Hanger - Bib (won't use until I plateau)
Pump - Bathmate Hydro extreme 9 (will use light routine, to grow girth very slow, & will keep focus on length)
ADS - undecided. Leaning towards penimaster, but considering other options too.
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More on measurement:
Idea of slide ruler is my EQ isn't perfect, so I get the max measure easily / quickly & consistently. I found flat plastric badges that seem to work great as an ad-hoc slider. I sanded my ruler down also (made sure all edges smooth so I don't have to stab myself to measure) and made sure it starts at "zero" -- I made the mistake before of leaving the extra 1/8" or more on a ruler (which doesn't hurt for measuring progress, but makes final measures wrong).
More on heat:
I'm targeting keeping my penis at 102 degrees to 110 farenheight... not lower or higher, but ideall targeting 105 to 106 because that's supposed to be great for softening collagen. Lower means I'm cold (although I'll consider intentionally cooling down while in a stretched state to see if that helps gains). Higher heat = necrosis / bad (don't want to burn myself with the deep infrared heat). My hope is the far infrared keeps me warm, even through my wrap (whether it's an ADS or hanging). I know some guys even use a battery powered heater so they can be mobile with heat.
Idea of slide ruler is my EQ isn't perfect, so I get the max measure easily / quickly & consistently. I found flat plastric badges that seem to work great as an ad-hoc slider. I sanded my ruler down also (made sure all edges smooth so I don't have to stab myself to measure) and made sure it starts at "zero" -- I made the mistake before of leaving the extra 1/8" or more on a ruler (which doesn't hurt for measuring progress, but makes final measures wrong).
More on heat:
I'm targeting keeping my penis at 102 degrees to 110 farenheight... not lower or higher, but ideall targeting 105 to 106 because that's supposed to be great for softening collagen. Lower means I'm cold (although I'll consider intentionally cooling down while in a stretched state to see if that helps gains). Higher heat = necrosis / bad (don't want to burn myself with the deep infrared heat). My hope is the far infrared keeps me warm, even through my wrap (whether it's an ADS or hanging). I know some guys even use a battery powered heater so they can be mobile with heat.
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Size 100 % matters. Ex of mine I talked with yesterday likes posts of mine on FB and I messaged her after a couple months or so. I told her im sorry I hung in front of her and didnt have sex with her. I would hang in front of her to get my goal hours in each week, and penis would be sore, edema, and take timee to recover and we basically stopped having sex, I did this everytime toward the end of our relationship . her friends told her she needs more sex, and eventually she broke up with me.. We also had some disagreements over nutrition, as you can , Im really into it, and this caused fricton as well. Its much easier when girl is actively goes to the gym and practices decent nutrition. Ex didnt care and I cokked for her, got her into the gym, and everything we broke up she fell off and gained 20-50 lbs. Shes mixed , looks puetica rican, wjhite skin, dates black guys.
She told me she understand why I hung, and that she would never complain. Shes an infj on the personality test, and empathetic, and avoids confrontation, even though it might be to her dismay, bc she let a put a drug in her drink, rape her, and never told anyone but me. I told her you go to the police for the sh*t. (crime) She talked to him afterward and while she was drugged said she told her harder, and didnt remember it. She cried to me about it. Those types try to keep the peace and the low self esteem ones dont speak up and have a shitty life bc they dont. I still love her but cant put up with low self esteem. Anyways, She said she understand why I hung , and she would never complain . She wont admit it but onetime before I know black guys have longer penis's , in 2016, mine was shrunk up and said I have a little dick, and she said you do. Shell never admit it. She also used to state at it while I peed. Anyways, after she said last night , she understood wwhy I hugn and would never complain, I said well thanks for not complaining about it. She wrote back the sex was awesome and didnt have nothing to complain about.
As I progressed in bodybuilding , Ive seen black guys getting spray tanned backstage , I was also locked up at 14 and saw a light mixed guy at 14 swinging his dick like a holicopter, I was also molested by a blk guy at five years old, he was a teen or grown man, so this and three others ive seen backstage at bodybuilding contests Id say 60-70 % from what Ive seen hang what it appears way longer than an average white guy or Asian, Ive seen an Asian guy getting spray tanned nude backstage. I used to get spray tanned nude first few times when girls would do it, but when a guy got down on his knees and spray tanned me , I thought it was disrespectful and now cover up during getting spray tanned. I knwowthis is surprising and maybe a shock , and she said sex was awesome which I think it was, I used to use Cialis back then, and I also know what Ive seen backstage, and locked up. Those statistics are mainly caucasian statistics on penis size. They are easily manipulated as well take a 6 inch bpel and a 6 inch npbel. People are going to disagree with me, based on stastics, and Ive already covered that, and I know this is hard pill to swallow, inject, whatever you d like, but id rather be truthful with myself with what Ive seen them go by a piece of paper bc real world results and experience do not lie. As man its important to be honest. I love you all, and want everyone to have everything of their dreams
Anyways, her saying that she understood why I hang, caused a bit of feelings,Thankfully I was born with 6 inch girth at base, and seemed to have increased that some, although sometimees its 6 inches still, depends on how tight tape measure is or not. Furthermore, back on the ship though, and continuing with pe. I still love myself regardless of penis size, as a human being , we want to not have to worry about this, and feel adequate about our penis size, and this is what we share, help one another on this forum for, because this is what its about, despite insecurities. we have to trust one another.
-agreed, size matters, I've seen first hand how making mine bigger made the wife more "happy"
-and holy sh*t, that's some major emotional trauma.
-regarding " 60-70 % from what Ive seen hang what it appears way longer than an average white guy or Asian" -- I think there's self selection bias in the sample though. What I mean is, people with really small dicks who aren't at least "average" probably avoid bodybuilding or other situations where they will be nude (so most of the sizes you see in those situations will be skewed bigger than the general population). However, I think the average penis size in one of those african countries (is it congo?) is something like 7". That's motivation for me to keep growing (I don't want to be average anywhere -- and I think most people on PE forums like this think the same way as me)
Day 2 newbie routine:
General EQ was way up for me after only my 2nd day of the newbie routine
BPFSL grew a lot (maybe too much?) even though I kept my routine very light and brief (5 min stretch / 10.5 min jelq).
My elongation (start vs end BPFL) was 5% on day 2.
Day 4 newbie routine:
BPFSL start vs finish (elongation) was 8% today... People on newbie routine are supposed to target 5% elongation (and veterans are supposed to target 2% to 4% for optimal growth). I'm tracking this daily -- I'll see if it normalizes (it implies I used too much force, but I swear I was gentle).
BPFSL shorter than BPEL (is that unusual?):
My BPFSL is also shorter than my BPEL still -- which feels odd ... Most really experienced PE'ers seem eventually get a BPFSL as much as 1" longer than their BPEL (I also have zero foreskin / very tight skin... it may be one of those limiting factor type things).
General EQ was way up for me after only my 2nd day of the newbie routine
BPFSL grew a lot (maybe too much?) even though I kept my routine very light and brief (5 min stretch / 10.5 min jelq).
My elongation (start vs end BPFL) was 5% on day 2.
Day 4 newbie routine:
BPFSL start vs finish (elongation) was 8% today... People on newbie routine are supposed to target 5% elongation (and veterans are supposed to target 2% to 4% for optimal growth). I'm tracking this daily -- I'll see if it normalizes (it implies I used too much force, but I swear I was gentle).
BPFSL shorter than BPEL (is that unusual?):
My BPFSL is also shorter than my BPEL still -- which feels odd ... Most really experienced PE'ers seem eventually get a BPFSL as much as 1" longer than their BPEL (I also have zero foreskin / very tight skin... it may be one of those limiting factor type things).
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True about guys guys hiding their stuff and guys that are average and or bigger okay with showing it. Have you seen an African penis with your own eyes? Id say 7 npbel is close to the average basing what Ive seen flaccid length. Yes, tats not to say we want to be better than anyone ,we just want the best for ourself.
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Yup ive had days where eq was up, esp days where didnt ride the fatigue too hard or extreme, like I used to when I hng with Bibs compression starter. With vac hanging ive been more gentle and you have to be bc blisters . How is it even possible for bpfsl to be shorter than bpel
My bpsfl was about 0.5 or more than bpel when I measured it consistently. Havent done it in a while.
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The vac hangers are like most devices. They cause injury because of improper techniques or trying to go up in wait and/or time to quickly.
I've always had a BPSFL that was shorter than my BPEL as well. I also show more length in a vacuum pump than in the bathmate.
Some things are just wierd that way.
It's awesome to see you back posting in this thread again
I've always had a BPSFL that was shorter than my BPEL as well. I also show more length in a vacuum pump than in the bathmate.
Some things are just wierd that way.
It's awesome to see you back posting in this thread again
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@BigO it's great to be back. Also.. never asked before, but I wonder if your name refers to big O notation in computer science?
Log update: gains already, but will post more on this later
My wife thinks I already gained a lot recently (I'm running the newbie routine). I'm tracking things daily in a log.. EQ is up & I've measured gains in BPFSL, EQ, & more morning wood again. BPEL gains are unclear -- issue is I don't consistently get to 7" due to lack of EQ.
Ordered an ADS (total man)
I just ordered a vacum ADS kit from totalmanshop / total man company. I'm going to see how far I can get with very light force over long periods of time (while applying infrared heat the whole time). This time around, my goal with PE is to get maximum gains with minimum time / effort. I'm staying focused on length these days... I'm curious to see how much ADS helps with that + manual routine.
Turkeyneck
Lately I'm obsessed with turkeyneck concerns -- how do I grow my mid-shaft skin and prevent my balls from moving up my shaft. Bib says he would just wrap his balls, but this doesn't work for all guys. I might have what I would call a very minor / early form of turkeyneck where my gains have stolen some of the skin from my balls, and I think it looks fine at this point, but don't want it going further. I've been trying to think of whether there's a way to use my ADS but make sure force is applied to the skin above the balls / below the circumcision scar.
DHT / Finesteride:
I'm debating whether to stop taking finesteride, because it seems to hurt my EQ.. morning wood has come back after just a little PE (about 2 weeks of newbie routine and kegals).
Log update: gains already, but will post more on this later
My wife thinks I already gained a lot recently (I'm running the newbie routine). I'm tracking things daily in a log.. EQ is up & I've measured gains in BPFSL, EQ, & more morning wood again. BPEL gains are unclear -- issue is I don't consistently get to 7" due to lack of EQ.
Ordered an ADS (total man)
I just ordered a vacum ADS kit from totalmanshop / total man company. I'm going to see how far I can get with very light force over long periods of time (while applying infrared heat the whole time). This time around, my goal with PE is to get maximum gains with minimum time / effort. I'm staying focused on length these days... I'm curious to see how much ADS helps with that + manual routine.
Turkeyneck
Lately I'm obsessed with turkeyneck concerns -- how do I grow my mid-shaft skin and prevent my balls from moving up my shaft. Bib says he would just wrap his balls, but this doesn't work for all guys. I might have what I would call a very minor / early form of turkeyneck where my gains have stolen some of the skin from my balls, and I think it looks fine at this point, but don't want it going further. I've been trying to think of whether there's a way to use my ADS but make sure force is applied to the skin above the balls / below the circumcision scar.
DHT / Finesteride:
I'm debating whether to stop taking finesteride, because it seems to hurt my EQ.. morning wood has come back after just a little PE (about 2 weeks of newbie routine and kegals).
@PEispossible I have a clear plastic ruler where I sanded the edges (so it's not painufl to measure) and made an ad-hoc slider with a clear ID badge holder I cut slits into.. The slider helps me make sure I'm measuring correctly.
The most important thing is you keep measuring the exact same way for progress tracking
