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[Zman007]

Buzz the F-16's 300 feet over Benghazi at supersonic speed; I don't care if we break every window in the town. They can bill us. Really? You worried about airspace as Americans are being killed?

Having no respect for a sovereign nation is one of the reasons most of the world hates us. In fact your attitude on a topic such as violating a sovereign country's boarders with our military aircraft is exactly why Murica is despised most of the world over. Yes, Americans were dieting, four to be precise... Fourth die every day by gun violence.

Yo Zman - you should re-check your facts on that last statement. All of the intelligence that lead the Bush / Cheney decision to invade Iraq was from a variety of reliable sources. No body at the time disputed that the info was incorrect. Google and see how many speeches Bill Clinton, Hillary, John Kerry and several other prominent democrats made prior to Bush being elected, all saying that Saddam was developing WMD's and that we needed to take action soon to prevent him from using them. How about you give me $100 for every speech or lecture you find? If you can't find them.... let me know and I will find them for you!

Try again. Give this a read, or preferably go and look at more in depth analysis of the Phase I and Phase II reports. Calling it falsified if a bit of an exaggeration, but it was bad and unreliable intelligence pushed by a hawkish agenda.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Report_on_Pre-war_Intelligence_on_Iraq

Oh and let's bring up the Iraq thing; how we were all lied to. Well maybe they lied a bit but remember this. They did indeed have WMD's. Oh I know you all think of WMD's as nukes but guess what? Chemical weapons can kill you just as faster and just as many. You guys must remember Chemical Ali; Saddam's brother. He specialized in gassing Kurds. Killed 10,000 in one day; not too bad huh?

Now according to an Iraqi civil rights group that was recognized by the U.N. Saddam killed an average of 86 innocent people a day during his rule.That's about 31,000 innocent people a year. Now if you had the power to stop that wouldn't you or should we have allowed a murderous dictator to kill his own people. I guess we should have, afterall he was only killing Arabs and who really cares about them.

You give this report a read as well. 86 a day, that is indeed tragic, so is the what 40/day that died by firearm in the US in 2015, or he countless other tragedies that happen all the time. If you think Ivading Iraq to the tune of $2/6Trillion, allowing a springboard for a near nuclear Iran, creating a power vacuum that lead to Isis, and increasing the death toll was a sound investment, were simply not going to agree. That is kind of like the War on Terror resulting in a 900% increase in world wide terrorism. The US cannot act like the policeman of the world, it really doesn't end well for anyone and we simply cannot afford it.

 

[akaTrex]

Having no respect for a sovereign nation is one of the reasons most of the world hates us. In fact your attitude on a topic such as violating a sovereign country's boarders with our military aircraft is exactly why Murica is despised most of the world over. Yes, Americans were dieting, four to be precise... Fourth die every day by gun violence.
You give this report a read as well. 86 a day, that is indeed tragic, so is the what 40/day that died by firearm in the US in 2015, or he countless other tragedies that happen all the time.

Er . . .Nothing on Liberal Media about Chicago and Rohm "Acting Stupidly" or Better Yet read ON!

SULTAN, Wash. -- An 80-year-old woman took drastic action to save her husband during a home invasion.

Police said she shot the intruder but not before he managed to stab her elderly husband.

The elderly woman told Q13 News that her 75-year-old husband is in a lot of pain; he’s listed in serious condition at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle.

“It could have been a very bad situation,” said neighbor Richard Cross. “It could have been three homicides over there instead of one intruder biting the dust.”

Oh and PS: Regan Nuclear Armed Israel long ago. If IRAN was too shoot one Nuke we would have a New Grand Canyon the size of IRAN! Oh and if you have not been there to experience it yourself and rely on the Liberal Media STFU you have no clue except the opinions of CNN, CNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC and the proven liars like Brian Williams.

I have been to Isreal and personally experienced the the political climate and the kindness of Isreal.

Oh and you got to love the Teachers in Israel . All Ex IDF and Carry weapons on campus.

 

[mrwood]

Liberal, socialist, marxist, democrat, republican, bla bla fucking bla.

It seems the majority here is too hung up on labels, and too hung up on the notion that what the US does outside of its borders is warranted, needed and sometimes, deserved.
This is simply not true.

And it has been shown many times before how US intervention with the help from UK and France usually, is not a way to pave world peace but global control.

It is amazing to me how you do not see the divisive traps you've fallen into.

Flying an F16 and smashing the windows of an entire city is warranted because there are 4 americans there? WHY? Is an american life more important than an african life?

I guess that is the problem right? Americans come first, no matter what. This is the same train of thought followed by our sweet not-radical Hitler.


You guys need to drop the labels and start thinking of human and nature rights. Cooperation instead of Competition. Helping instead of Bombing.

It is easy to dehumanize the arabic nations, like they did with the Japanese in WWII, and then do whatever we want.

Trump is openly racist and imoral, Hillary is as racist and imoral but she knows how to hide what she really thinks.

Bernie Sanders is the best of the bunch, by a landslide.

 

[CUSP82]

Smashing windows by supersonic blasts doesn't kill people does it? Shooting people with mortars does!

 

[mrwood]

CUSP82, how many kills by drones missing its targets?

Perhaps smashing windows will not kill directly but it might kill indirectly and surely there will be injuries to what would be 100% civilians.

Like i said, it seems that to you there are first category humans and second category humans.
Or would you fly an F16 in the US smashing windows to prevent americans from being killed?

If, hipothetically, the entire city is your close relative, would you still do it?

 

[CUSP82]

A man's job is to protect and save innocent life. Do some die in the process? Sure they do but someone must combat the evil that exist. There is no qualifying. 86 innocent a day in Iraq and you bring up 40 a day in Chicago. there is no comparision. Many of those in Chicago are gang related so they are not really innocent and those that are at least have the hope that the police will help.Who would help the innocent in Iraq? Oh just let them die.

 

[mrwood]

The problem is when the mean to an end brings more harm that what the mean was originally created to combat. The War on Drugs is a very good example of this, so much so that there is an organization of former police officers to try and put an end to the WoD.

With terrorism, the same is happening.

You argue that some deaths are necessary but your arguments support a more extreme view than that. That is the same train of thought that argues that control of private information is a way to bring more security to the people.

It is not based on fact, the interventions done in Lybia to upthrow Kaddafi and "save inocent lives" have resulted in a much bigger death toll, and a complete destruction of the system in place leaving it worse than before Kaddafi's death.

 

[CUSP82]

Oh Lybia; when the Europeans combined with Hillary thought killing Kaddafy was a good idea. Nope I have nothing to do with Hillary or Obama. That was the EU and Hillary.

By the way how many innocent deaths occurred by the big bad Americans with their bombs and planes as we were trying to save your butt from Hitler? Many died so many many more can live; Give it a rest!

 

[Zman007]

Some people have spent far too much time in the Fox News echo chamber. It is scary. Might makes right and the US can do whatever it wants around the world. And if other countries are doing something better, like universal healthcare,mew can't dare emulate it because Murica. It's amazing how we have to move heaven and earth to save four white Americans in Libya, can use horrendous endless Middle East intervention justified by "saving" Iraqis who've been ultimately further harmed for war... And yet poor black lives in Chicago aren't worth it. Any wonder why the Republican Party is viewed as dog whistle racists?

What makes you guys so angry? So bigoted? So closed minded? That you support a mysonogist and racist who is an authoritarian fascist in the most Unamerican way? I really wish I could understand what makes you guys tick, I really do. At least it becomes harder for Republicans to claim the moral high ground and family values with Trump at the helm, the cognitive dissodance is real.

 

[CUSP82]

Lybia and the mess there; created by Hillary and the EU.
ISIS- created by removing our troops before that country was able to defend itself. Obama did that one.
Chicago- completely under Democratic control forever.

What does Fox News have to do with any of it?

 

[CUSP82]

While you're at it Z show me a direct quote where Trump shows racism. Please do not come up with the border thing again because he never said all were rapists and drug dealers.

 

[Zman007]

While you're at it Z show me a direct quote where Trump shows racism. Please do not come up with the border thing again because he never said all were rapists and drug dealers.

*Cough Birther Movement *Cough

Seriously, it isn't hard to find Trump being racist, or at least using dog whistle racism. It is rampant and readily apparent. Just look at his lack of condemning the KKK compared to how he responds to other things.

 

[CUSP82]

He didn't know who David Duke was; that is not a crime. When he learned, and he does learn, he came out against him.
Now since it's not hard to find his racism then show me some quotes. I don't want to see interpretations or what someone thought I mean real quotes.

 

[mrwood]

So it wasn't the US who trained muhajeddin in Afghanistan in the 70s, and who trained rebel fighters in Lybia, who then went to Syria to fight Assad?

And it wasn't the US who sold weapons to the rebels who went to fight Assad and then went and joined ISIS?

And Al-Qaeda which is the proto-ISIS, was created by the same muhajeddin fighters trained by the US in the 70s. But hey, the US has got nothing to do with it.
Apart from teaching farmers and shepperds military training and tactics and arming them...

Hillary and the EU?, Kaddafi was overthrown after a supposed attack on the US embassy which served as the catalyst for action. And John McCain was there too to salute the terrorists, i mean, the troops.

And Hillary didn't do anything that she wasn't told to do. The same with Obama.

CUSP82, the worst type of blindness is when you refuse to see.

 

[CUSP82]

So let's do Kaddafy first. You mean the EU had nothing to do with it?

[h=1]Cameron defends UK efforts to overthrow Libya's Gaddafi[/h] 17 February 2015 Last updated at 23:52 GMT
David Cameron has insisted he does not regret British efforts to help Libya overthrow Col Muammar Gaddafi, despite the threat from Islamic State extremists who have been building a power base there.

 

[Zman007]

He didn't know who David Duke was; that is not a crime. When he learned, and he does learn, he came out against him.
Now since it's not hard to find his racism then show me some quotes. I don't want to see interpretations or what someone thought I mean real quotes.

That is incorrect. Trump knew exactly who David Duke was and who he represented. In 1991 he sided with George H Bush against Duke's Louisiana Governor Run because he didn't like what his anger vote represented. In 2000 he did not join the Reform party because of Duke who he called "a bigot, a racist, a problem."

When Trump was first asked to condemn Duke, he was told he was the former KKK Grand Wizard, yet Trump denied knowing anything about him and failed to condemn his nomination, him, the KKK, or what he represented. He instead insisted "I don’t know any — honestly, I don’t know David Duke. I don’t believe I have ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him. And I just don’t know anything about him."

What Trump did was blatantly lie about knowing who David Duke is and what he represents. The delay and lukewarm condemnation that had to be pulled out later is what is called a dog whistle, it told those who support the KKK exactly what they wanted to here. It amounted to a "I condemn the KKK." *Wink* *Wink*

Are you ok with this kind of behavior? Trump blatantly lies and dog whistles the racists among the Republican Party and in America. This is what his whitecentric nationalism represents.

Oh, I forgot to mention how he likes to retweet known white supremacists.

 

[mrwood]

CUSP82, i didn't say the EU had nothing to do with it. But you seem to imply that only Hillary and EU did, and leave the US out of it.
And there is still a difference between UK and EU in terms of military action.

I believe most military actions are conducted by UK and the US. And many times it is the UK that instills the rest of the EU to join the action, which translates in France and Germany for the most part.

 

[CUSP82]

Now Afghanistan; didn't the Russians kind of move in and since the Cold War was still on we trained the Afghan people to kill Russians? Killing Russians was big in those days.

 

[CUSP82]

Z you're still not proving anything. Oh in 1991; gee 25 years later he didn't remember the guy. Maybe he thought the guy was dead and it was a different Duke. You have offered no facts but simply speculation, kind of like watching MSNBC.

 

[CUSP82]

CUSP82, i didn't say the EU had nothing to do with it. But you seem to imply that only Hillary and EU did, and leave the US out of it.

Hillary was the US!