Thoughts on Charleston

[Frog]

not at all sweetheart. I'm searching for that big butts in shorts thread. I feel like distributing some judgment.:biggrin1:

lmao!!!coughing!!!!lmao!!!

 

[Party]

Frog, thank you for that answer. Finally.

I have no problem with people like you and wish and party, exercising your right, be it for sport, collection, or to protect themselves and their families. My only issue is that not everyone is a good person, and even good people can do bad things. Of course I know guns aren't killers people are, but they make it so much easier for people to commit these crimes.

I'm not suggesting your rights be taken away, just that some form of screening and checks be done to only give those rights to those deserving. Cutting out those who give enough reason to confirm they would be a danger. You said you learned about guns from a young age, and obviously now you don't just have the skills to use them, but the maturity, responsibility and care to own them safely, even teach your own kids one day. This kind of awareness should be taught to people who want to own guns, and after the checks are passed there is a whole lot less chance of things like what we've been discussing, continuing to happen.

It's your culture, but humanity is more important than any culture, and surely a slight deviaition to the right to bear arms, is worth upholding the right to life.

But now, there's the rub, who decides who is deserving? If I ever own a gun it won't be to hunt, protect my house and children, it will be because I lose faith in our leaders, pretty much there already. I believe Thomas Jefferson said revolution is good every 3-4 hundred years. Every seen the movie "V"?

 

[closed224]

I saw them LLN, the screening is in place. That try to keep them out of the hands of dangerous people. We have to apply to the Federal Bureua of Investigation. But usually that is not the ones killing people. Just like in all countries, and societies. I understand your points, and I won't be swimming to Surrey and trying to shoot anybody either.

 

[longerlastingnoob]

I saw them LLN, the screening is in place. That try to keep them out of the hands of dangerous people. We have to apply to the Federal Bureua of Investigation. But usually that is not the ones killing people. Just like in all countries, and societies. I understand your points, and I won't be swimming to Surrey and trying to shoot anybody either.

More thorough procedures on the ones already in place and the right awareness and education is what I'm saying.

 

[Tamora]

...and I won't be swimming to Surrey and trying to shoot anybody either.

Amen to that too!

Not wanting to open up another can of worms...but from what I've seen and the little I know, Obama seems to be in favour of gun reform. Exactly what is the situation with him? Just curious?

 

[Frog]

Noob... I don't think anyone is arguing that point. We have to do something without stomping on everyone's else's rights. It's a fine line and a slippery slop when trying to add more government regulation, when the laws are already in place to stop this problem.

We need to start enforcing the laws that are already in place, before trying to implement new ones. Our blood sucking lawyers will figure out a way to "skirt" around them anyway.

I'm pissed that there was absolutely nothing anyone could have done to stop that man/coward from doing what he did. Even if his parents said to authorities "my son is a racist and talks about killing people." Not one person could do anything, because he's an adult and is protected by "Freedom of Speech" and until he commits the crime he's innocent. Hell, even with witness of the murders he is still innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I feel he deserves a bullet to the head and his parents should pay everyone's expenses that lost a loved one. Maybe then parents would start being parents!

Ok....I'm done ranting. I've attached a funny
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[Frog]

Amen to that too!

Not wanting to open up another can of worms...but from what I've seen and the little I know, Obama seems to be in favour of gun reform. Exactly what is the situation with him? Just curious?

OMG!!!! DON'T GO THERE!!!!!
:bolt:

 

[closed224]

The biggest mistake people make when dealing with United States of Americans is thinking we are united over anything. We are not a Christian nation, we are not a gun advocate nation, and although this will sound hypocritical we are not a nation that supports our president. In fact I don't think there has been an election in my life time where a majority of people who have the right to vote have done so.
Worse the people of this country don't even vote for the President of the United States. We get to pretend to vote for that office, but actually the Electoral College vote in the President. So if we start talking about what the President thinks, we are all just fucked.
Someone should ask Obama what he thinks about this topic..... Then waitnlong enough for his handlers to tell him what he thinks on this topic.... Then wait long enough for his speech writers to tell him how to say what he thinks on this topic.... Then wait until the polls come in to decide if he really thinks that about this topic.... Then we can try talking about what he thinks on this topic.

 

[BigRooster]

it will be because I lose faith in our leaders, pretty much there already.

I'm already there.

Amen to that too!

Not wanting to open up another can of worms...but from what I've seen and the little I know, Obama seems to be in favour of gun reform. Exactly what is the situation with him? Just curious?

OMG!!!! DON'T GO THERE!!!!!
:bolt:

Yeah don't go there ta53ora.

 

[BigRooster]

Frog, thank you for that answer. Finally.

I have no problem with people like you and wish and party, exercising your right, be it for sport, collection, or to protect themselves and their families. My only issue is that not everyone is a good person, and even good people can do bad things. Of course I know guns aren't killers people are, but they make it so much easier for people to commit these crimes.

I'm not suggesting your rights be taken away, just that some form of screening and checks be done to only give those rights to those deserving. Cutting out those who give enough reason to confirm they would be a danger. You said you learned about guns from a young age, and obviously now you don't just have the skills to use them, but the maturity, responsibility and care to own them safely, even teach your own kids one day. This kind of awareness should be taught to people who want to own guns, and after the checks are passed there is a whole lot less chance of things like what we've been discussing, continuing to happen.

It's your culture, but humanity is more important than any culture, and surely a slight deviaition to the right to bear arms, is worth upholding the right to life.

What about me Noob? You have an issue with me owning a gun?

 

[kickinthemebs]

I have no concern to educate anyone. If you want to educate yourself,google good Friday agreement,ceasefire Ireland,or even read about Ireland in the past 30 years instead of talking through your hole. This has nothing to do with anyone's constitution.

Educate me, I'd like to know. I'll read your constitution,if you read mine. Not that anyone cares about our constitution anymore, even our president. In any case, will help pass the hanging time, 7.5 lbs right now.

 

[Tamora]

The biggest mistake people make when dealing with United States of Americans is thinking we are united over anything. We are not a Christian nation, we are not a gun advocate nation, and although this will sound hypocritical we are not a nation that supports our president. In fact I don't think there has been an election in my life time where a majority of people who have the right to vote have done so.
Worse the people of this country don't even vote for the President of the United States. We get to pretend to vote for that office, but actually the Electoral College vote in the President. So if we start talking about what the President thinks, we are all just fucked.
Someone should ask Obama what he thinks about this topic..... Then waitnlong enough for his handlers to tell him what he thinks on this topic.... Then wait long enough for his speech writers to tell him how to say what he thinks on this topic.... Then wait until the polls come in to decide if he really thinks that about this topic.... Then we can try talking about what he thinks on this topic.

Gosh...seems like you guys are near the point of a revolution!

 

[Frog]

Gosh...seems like you guys are near the point of a revolution!

Lawyers and lobbyists have more control over this country than anyone, I think that might be the one thing that Republicans and Democrats can agree on.

I finally ordered Chinese take-out. I'm having "soup-of-sum-yung-boy" that should cure what ails me!

Catch you guys later on the thread "Does your penis make my vagina look big?" :becky:

 

[Tamora]

I finally ordered Chinese take-out. I'm having "soup-of-sum-yung-boy" that should cure what ails me!

Catch you guys later on the thread "Does your penis make my vagina look big?" :becky:

:yikes:

 

[BigRooster]

Lawyers and lobbyists have more control over this country than anyone, I think that might be the one thing that Republicans and Democrats can agree on.

I finally ordered Chinese take-out. I'm having "soup-of-sum-yung-boy" that should cure what ails me!

Catch you guys later on the thread "Does your penis make my vagina look big?" :becky:

yep. Us against them

Careful missie. You can go to jail for that.

Not at all.

 

[longerlastingnoob]

Frog, enjoy, sum-yung-boy goes down well if you add on some him-do-tung.

 

[Frog]

:yikes:

Apologies if I was little to crass...:bad:

yep. Us against them

Careful missie. You can go to jail for that.

Not at all.

You are probably right, Frog posting on man enhancement site is a threat to national security.

Frog, enjoy, sum-yung-boy goes down well if you add on some him-do-tung.

Sounds perfect, how do I order some?:becky:

 

[namsokiek]

Moving the goal posts?
I don't understand, my posts are regarding the rights in your constitution. They do not use diversion tactics by jumping back to every post and meticulously writing your responses to every thing you find, that in your mind, passes for rebuttal.

Addressing the merits of each post is how an argument/discussion is answered. Taking an answer for one post and then saying “but in this circumstance” is moving the goal posts. It just is.

Again, over-analyzed, overly complicated and full of false presumptions….

I have already stated that if I lived in the US I may very well carry a firearm because the US is perceived by many to have a "gun culture". However, I am still to be convinced that owning one would make me feel more secure. In fact, I would probably see it as a liability…

I appreciate the time you took to write your response but clearly analyzing something is important, and it is something that you and LLN are ill equipped to do on the topic of gun control. You’re smart guys, so it is not that. It is because you are not considering all the things necessary to put the suggestions in action.

You’re looking for someone to convince you that you’ll feel more secure owning a gun. In America, that is no-one’s business but your own. You are free to make that decision and to act upon that decision.

LLN is looking for stricter rules and laws to screen gun ownership. He has some general suggestions but even they are not comprehensive enough to cohesively interact with the laws from different 50 states.

This is where culture comes back into the picture. (please read this in a non-disparaging way) Happily living on little (compared to the size of the US) islands in the north Atlantic in cities completely covered by CCTV security camera means that you have arrived in that location, at this point of your life, in this situation having experienced, negotiated and come to terms with a completely different set of circumstances. This life’s experience is completely foreign to the American experience and makes you ill-equipped to consider all of the nuances required to change the SECOND constitutional amendment without additional information; just like I am ill equipped to consider something similar for the UK. It is what it is.

For this reason I take a close look at the details of the various “good-idea fairy suggestions” to gauge compatibility, because the devil is in the details. A “good idea” that cannot be implemented is actually a “bad idea”.

Let me make an innocuous comparison: At a festival in Monterey, CA there was a table advancing a proposal to fence off 80% of the remaining publicly accessible shoreline to protect baby elephant seals. The petition required the addition of fence without an increase in taxes. When pressed, the “leader” of the movement was unable to identify how much it would cost to install the fence, the long range maintenance costs for the fence, which county-funded activity would have to take the cut to fund the fence (she was adamant it would not be the sea otter fund), or how the additional county workers would be funded.

She also could not explain how the county would respond to the economic damage surfing businesses would incur because they could not ply their trade, how private citizens would react to losing their access to the sea to surf/swim/fish and how an 8 foot fence around the beach would impact tourism.

In short, this simple, free fence was neither simple or free.

Now, take these simple suggestions for gun control for a country of 330 million people with very porous borders between Canada and Mexico, made up of 50 states, each having certain rights of government concerning guns, etc. These “suggestions” are merely poorly considered ideas; in other words, ideas without a viable action plan.

Why do you choose to have one?

Same reason a dog will lick his balls; because I can. :becky:

 

[Frog]

^ As always eloquent and well put

 

[Frog]

Frog, enjoy, sum-yung-boy goes down well if you add on some him-do-tung.

My favorite place was out of "him-do-tung" tonight, but I found "Happy Family" and thought of all of you! Cheers!
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