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So did you actually had a diagnosed varicocele, and did it actually go away after a few months using only bromelain? Were you using any other supplement or particular food in the meantime?

And did it really just stay away after those few months? Did you stop using the bromelain afterwards?

Just drank 2 cups of nettle leaf tea plus took 2 Swanson Ashwagandha (root) capsules 900 mg total, plus did an hour of grounding outside in the garden. Varicocele is already diminished to a minimum right now.

I'm still putting my money on a drainage issue as the root cause of varicocele. The pampiniform plexus is a drainage system to cool the testicle down according to medical literature and Wikipedia.

I know that the testicle is connected with veins to the prostate too. And the prostate has a draining system of its own as well. Perhaps if the prostate is lagging in drainage, varicocele occurs. Therefore why nettle leaf tea is effective, because it has medical effects on the prostate.

It might be the kidneys that are lagging in drainage too. Nettle leaf is known to strengthen the adrenals (which sit on top of the kidneys) and remove kidney stones so the root cause might lay in the kidneys too. In Traditional Chinese Medicine, the cause of varicocele is the kidneys too, officially.

Yeah i was diagnosed with one after trying to lift a heavy pallet up to get a piece of paper from under it . Yup dumb move. But same spew as others docs like its a varicocele after ultra sound. Im like how do you fix it. hes like ya dont. Other than surgery.

So i was trying a bunch of stuff mag oil, curcumin and bromelain also serrapeptase. I tried the last two because this guy who gives health advice on a forum (hes consistent) said how varicoceles are just varicose veins of the scrotum and you should take enzymes to clear out the blockage of the vein. He said it takes months. Well i tried it and it works but only temporarily at first, you stop taking it after a month or two and symptoms will come back. hanging testes pain etc.

Well after taking for a month here 3 weeks there then a month again. They just fixed the problem it seems. My testes dont hang low and i dont get the pain. sometimes i do get slight discomfort if i wear boxers that are too small but yup. Good to go. I do take the bromelain here and there for a cyst that i have as it gets rid of those to but if stop the symptoms remain gone. So try it out. bromelain 2400 gdu on amazon pretty cheap and should last a while.
 

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4 - 9 months it what is recommended to see permanent fixes. I started like last september but as i said. i would take it for a month then slack off a week or two then back on another month or two then slack again. But the relief happens pretty quick. also libido and semen amount returning to normal really gives you hope when you see it happening
 

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oh yeah if you get the bromelain 600 gdu, your wasting your time. Just get 2400 gdu if you want a quick fix for the symptom relief and a permanent fix after you keep taking it for months.
 

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Seems to me everyone here one way or another messed there veins up down there. I know i did. it felt like mines was being pulled to far then a sharp pain followed. My thinking from a little research is you damaged the vein and the body scars it up to heal it but the scar tissue impedes blood flow. With no way to remove the blockage/ scar tissue the testes dont get enough proper flow and the symptoms start. If you look up muscle pulls you'll find info about internal scar tissue doing the same thing to circulation in area of the pull. its why athletes never fully recover from pulls. So yeah look it up and hope it helps. Try it out and see for yourself. You seem pretty dedicated so if it works for you im pretty sure you would give a lot of people hope.
 

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Seems to me everyone here one way or another messed there veins up down there. I know i did. it felt like mines was being pulled to far then a sharp pain followed. My thinking from a little research is you damaged the vein and the body scars it up to heal it but the scar tissue impedes blood flow. With no way to remove the blockage/ scar tissue the testes dont get enough proper flow and the symptoms start. If you look up muscle pulls you'll find info about internal scar tissue doing the same thing to circulation in area of the pull. its why athletes never fully recover from pulls. So yeah look it up and hope it helps. Try it out and see for yourself. You seem pretty dedicated so if it works for you im pretty sure you would give a lot of people hope.
Are the veins on the left side of the same size now as on the right side in your scrotum? Like, very tiny and thin, the size of the smallest guitar string or something comparable. Basically how they're supposed to be when you were still a kid?
 
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Not 100% more like 70 some days 100% others. but its better than 35% ya know
 

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Not 100% more like 70 some days 100% others. but its better than 35% ya know

Hmm fascinating, what would you attribute to the moments that it is 70%, instead of a full 100%?
 

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You know i stand corrected i wore smaller boxers yesterday and woke up with some sagging. took some bromelain and it went away after a little while. I assume this all relates to blood viscosity and scar tissue. as its no other reason that would explain the symptom relief when taking things that thin the blood and free up blood flow. i excess heard calcium is responsible for clotting and how alkalizing with a lime and 1/4 teaspoon baking soda will help get rid of it but having tried. just been sticking with enzymes for now, bromelain mostly and serrapeptase every now and again
 
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You know i stand corrected i wore smaller boxers yesterday and woke up with some sagging. took some bromelain and it went away after a little while. I assume this all relates to blood viscosity and scar tissue. as its no other reason that would explain the symptom relief when taking things that thin the blood and free up blood flow. i excess heard calcium is responsible for clotting and how alkalizing with a lime and 1/4 teaspoon baking soda will help get rid of it but having tried. just been sticking with enzymes for now, bromelain mostly and serrapeptase every now and again
Lowering blood viscosity permanently can be induced by grounding according to real scientific studies on it. I did it and overall feel better. It does a host of things to your body which can be seen as positive, but the lowering of blood viscosity and lowering stress hormones is really relevant. Research it.

Calcium is responsible for clotting but that doesn't necessarily mean that the body starts clotting when calcium intake is higher, since the body is intelligent in its use of calcium and clotting... Calcium is also known to constrict veins, which can be handy for varicocele. Idk about it for now.

So when you sag, the vein dilates? And when you take bromelain the dilation dissapears again? Sagging is not the issue here, but the vein being dilated because it means stagnation of the whole vascular reproductive system, I think.

Nettle leaf definitely made me feel better but I'm disliking some feeling sick symptoms that I think are caused by prolactin being raised by it so I quit it for now. Nettle leaf is known to strengthen blood vessels - But ironically prolactin is said to weaken blood vessels.

I am thinking of trying stone root aka collinsonia canadensis, since it is officially indicated for varicocele by herbalists.
See:
http://www.naturalopinion.com/nmp/nmp5/Collinson.htm
and
https://www.naturalnews.com/2018-04-09-herbs-for-the-male-reproductive-system.html

Text taken from the second link:

Herbalist and ethnobotanist David Winston, whose training spanned 32 years in Cherokee, Chinese, and Western herbal medicine, has made a list of herbs that can effectively treat, reverse, or prevent the symptoms of various male reproductive issues such as BPH, acute prostatitis, orchitis, impotence, sexual neurasthenia, etc. The following preparations are listed in tinctures. (h/t to AmericanHerbalistsGuild.com.)


Treatments for other male reproductive issues

  • Aromatic Collinsonia (Collinsonia canadensis) — Fresh tincture (1:2): 20 to 30 gtt TID for varicocele (enlarged veins in the scrotum), and spermatorrhea (excessive, involuntary ejaculation), especially if accompanied by hemorrhoids.


It also is good for kidney stones, varicose veins in general and digestion and stuff. It's quite popular on Amazon.com, which is unusual for a herb that isn't known that much. (iHerb, one of the biggest international online dietary and herbal supplements retailer only has 1 product listed which contains it as its primary ingredient, normally any herbal supplement has a bunch of different products listed for it on iHerb)

See: https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=stone+root and scroll down while looking at the products listed.

Also very relevant, from the Natural News article:

  • Kava root (Piper methysticum) — Tincture (1:5): 20 to 30 gtt TID for pain caused by prostatitis; also pain in the vas deferens, urethra, or epididymis.

  • Corn silk (Zea mays) — Fresh tincture (1:2): 20 to 40 gtt repeated frequently for prostatic irritation, with inflammation of vas deferens or spermatic cord, and burning sensation when urinating.

  • Cleavers (Galium aparine) — Fresh tincture (1:2): three to five ml TID for epididymitis, and chronic inflammation of the spermatic cord or vas deferens.

Interesting how this experienced herbalist names inflammation and irritation of the spermatic cord and vas deferens as actual conditions. Could this cause or worsen varicocele as well? The vas deferens is a seperate cord that runs along your spermatic cord (which contains the varicocele).. I recall feeling that mine was thicker than usual compared to the right one. Obitoo mentioned his vas deferens to also be abnormally enlarged/thickened. (he thought it was due to pinching, but he might've been wrong)


I cannot guarantee safety from any complications associated with the herbs adviced so use at your own risk and always talk with your medical doctor first before using anything! Also take notice at the actual potencies and dosages mentioned in the quotes and the Natural News article. Ignoring these dosages and potencies can also cause complications on its own. Herbs can be very strong!

Kava root/kava kava/kava in general apparently can cause liver damage/liver failure: https://www.livestrong.com/article/403802-kava-kava-and-liver-damage/
https://books.google.nl/books?id=FP...AUQAQ#v=onepage&q=kava root prolactin&f=false

Corn silk appears to be very healthy for the kidneys according to the internet. Apparently it is used as a tea too which does all types of good toxins detoxification and hormones balancing, and in a rat study it improved benign prostatic hyperplasia symptoms.

Cleavers appear to be safe according to this source: http://www.rjwhelan.co.nz/herbs A-Z/cleavers.html#cli3 But it apparently cools the system according to this source so you should watch out with that. I'm uncertain about the safety of Cleavers, it needs more researching..

Corn Silk, Kava root and Cleavers are all diuretics so lower potassium levels, btw.
 
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Tell me how it goes, saw i post a while back on a site with stone root and other supplements like yarrow, said to fix varicocele. i tried the yarrow, just give you the runs lol. will list it below. But yeah report back on the stone root. I do have gota kula but never stuck with it for more than a day. I keep providing updates when hings change also.
"We had a 14 year old Boy with a Varicocele developing. My Opinion is to spare any Boy or Girl Surgery on their Genitals. SO I boldly told the Parents, that Herbs will do the Task. We used the following Regimen:
Internally a Mix of Parts equal in Tincture of Ruscus,Collinsonia,Aesculus and Hydrocotyle for the venous Congestion.
a Mix of Blood-moving Herbs : Zanthoxyllum, Carthamus, Achillea and Vaccinium myrtillus.
a Mix to feed the Testicles : Cola, Damiana, Serenoa, Avena with Tribulus and Cervus Corni.
Externally a Gel of Aesculus applied to the Area twice a Day.
Within three Months there was no trace of Varicocele anymore and also the Boy moved in Puberty to the approbiate Stage. Even after a year of followup there was no relapse.
Of course this Treatment without the hormonal Mix, has resolved many Varicosities we treated with predictable success."


See links to herbs:
Tincture of
Ruscus aculeatus (Butcher's broom)
Ruscus aculeatus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Herb-Pharm-Butcher-s-Broom-1-oz-p/618553.htm
Collinsonia Canadensis (Stoneroot)
Collinsonia canadensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Herb-Pharm-Stoneroot-Liquid-Herbal-Extract-1-fl-p/621912.htm
Aesculus hippocastanum (Horse Chestnut)
Aesculus hippocastanum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Herb-Pharm-Horse-Chestnut-Liquid-Herbal-Extract-p/619890.htm
Hydrocotyle (Centella asiatica) (Gotu Kola)
Centella asiatica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Herb-Pharm-Gotu-Kola-Liquid-Herbal-Extract-1-fl-p/619601.htm


Blood-moving Herbs
Zanthoxylum spp (clava-herculis and americanum) (Prickly Ash Bark)
Zanthoxylum americanum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.pennherb.com/prickly-ash-bark-capsules-60-26x
Carthamus tinctorius L. (Safflower)
Safflower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.pennherb.com/safflower-capsules-600-mg-60-364x
Achillea millefolium (Yarrow)
Achillea millefolium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Nature-s-Way-Yarrow-Flower-325-mg-100-Capsules-p/935775.htm
Vaccinium myrtillus (Bilberry)
Vaccinium myrtillus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Nature-s-Way-Bilberry-Standardized-80-mg-90-Ca-p/591321.htm


 

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oh yeah i tried the bilberry also. Has no noticeable effects
 

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I also have a varicocele along with hard flaccid. I'm finding it difficult to wear tight jeans (that's all I have). Does anyone have any advice to what I can do to make it more comfortable? I love my skinny, tight jeans.
 

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Tell me how it goes, saw i post a while back on a site with stone root and other supplements like yarrow, said to fix varicocele. i tried the yarrow, just give you the runs lol. will list it below. But yeah report back on the stone root. I do have gota kula but never stuck with it for more than a day. I keep providing updates when hings change also.
"We had a 14 year old Boy with a Varicocele developing. My Opinion is to spare any Boy or Girl Surgery on their Genitals. SO I boldly told the Parents, that Herbs will do the Task. We used the following Regimen:
Internally a Mix of Parts equal in Tincture of Ruscus,Collinsonia,Aesculus and Hydrocotyle for the venous Congestion.
a Mix of Blood-moving Herbs : Zanthoxyllum, Carthamus, Achillea and Vaccinium myrtillus.
a Mix to feed the Testicles : Cola, Damiana, Serenoa, Avena with Tribulus and Cervus Corni.
Externally a Gel of Aesculus applied to the Area twice a Day.
Within three Months there was no trace of Varicocele anymore and also the Boy moved in Puberty to the approbiate Stage. Even after a year of followup there was no relapse.
Of course this Treatment without the hormonal Mix, has resolved many Varicosities we treated with predictable success."


See links to herbs:
Tincture of
Ruscus aculeatus (Butcher's broom)
Ruscus aculeatus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Herb-Pharm-Butcher-s-Broom-1-oz-p/618553.htm
Collinsonia Canadensis (Stoneroot)
Collinsonia canadensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Herb-Pharm-Stoneroot-Liquid-Herbal-Extract-1-fl-p/621912.htm
Aesculus hippocastanum (Horse Chestnut)
Aesculus hippocastanum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Herb-Pharm-Horse-Chestnut-Liquid-Herbal-Extract-p/619890.htm
Hydrocotyle (Centella asiatica) (Gotu Kola)
Centella asiatica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Herb-Pharm-Gotu-Kola-Liquid-Herbal-Extract-1-fl-p/619601.htm


Blood-moving Herbs
Zanthoxylum spp (clava-herculis and americanum) (Prickly Ash Bark)
Zanthoxylum americanum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.pennherb.com/prickly-ash-bark-capsules-60-26x
Carthamus tinctorius L. (Safflower)
Safflower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.pennherb.com/safflower-capsules-600-mg-60-364x
Achillea millefolium (Yarrow)
Achillea millefolium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Nature-s-Way-Yarrow-Flower-325-mg-100-Capsules-p/935775.htm
Vaccinium myrtillus (Bilberry)
Vaccinium myrtillus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://www.nutritionworld.info/Nature-s-Way-Bilberry-Standardized-80-mg-90-Ca-p/591321.htm


Thanks for this my friend!

I currently have my thoughts on using a combination of the following herbs: Corn silk, Cleavers, Stone root. I am thinking of adding a circulation boosting herb or supplement, I might just add my high quality vitamin E but it might be bad for you so I might add a circulation boosting herb instead. Maybe add in the bromelain if this alone proves not to be enough.

I have the belief that the vein is not necessarily damaged in all cases, and that it is a deception to think so. I think it's simply 1 problem, lack of drainage. The damaging of the actual veins happens over time, as the lack of drainage is maintained. Since corn silk and cleavers are drainage boosting herbs, through the kidneys and lymphatic system, I think those might be very effective. Stone root also aids in removing any drainage problem through clearing the portal vein of the liver and the veins that run around down there, which apparently are alot, check it out:

c410p0.jpg

Check this picture out, which implicates a real role for the prostate/the prostatic drainage:

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...iniform-plexus-PP-drains-in-the-spermatic.png

Source: https://www.researchgate.net/figure...xus-PP-drains-in-the-spermatic_fig1_268281100

There is actually a cremasteric vein according to this:

Three structural and hemodynamic variants of venous angioarchitectonics of the epididymis were detected: direct testicular outflow (direct outflow into veins of the plexus pampiniformis), indirect testicular outflow (outflow into veins of the plexus pampiniformis with involvement of the communicant veins), and mixed outflow (combination of indirect testicular outflow with the outflow into vas deference veins). Anastomosis of caudal veins of the epididymis and the initial compartment of veins of the vas deference forming the "testicular venous arch" plays an important role in collateral venous blood-flow system; the arch anastomosing with the source of cremasteric vein forms a three-system anastomosis, the "testicular venous plexus" at the site of the epididymis tail transition into the vas deference.


Source: https://www.researchgate.net/public...s_system_of_scrotal_organs_and_spermatic_cord
 

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Hey nitikis and anybody who reads this topic. I want you guys to try something out. For one day abstain from eating any sugar or carbs and then note your varicocele the next day. if your concerned about energy try 2tbl spoons of coconut oil 3x a day. But one day with no carbs shouldnt kill you so this is not necessary imo if you just abstain for a day.

Anyway the forum i regular with the health advice had some info about why blood/vein related conditions amongst any in the body wont heal because the body cant heal when blood sugar is above a certain point. This is why diabetics gets limbs cut off because they dont know about this mechanism of the body. Anyway I eat lots of sugar so im like ok lets try. I didnt eat any carbs/sugar for the day and to my surprise the hang disappeared completely again. So the next day i tried again with no sugar and it was consistent. So i dont want to get peoples hopes up but this may be a big link as to why no ones varicocele ever heals as the modern diet is horrible.

So could everyone try and report back if theirs recovers some from not eating carbs. If so all it may take is any supplement that helps heal veins like rutin, bromelain, or stone root, combined with keeping blood sugar from being high and we might have a long lasting fix.

Any participation is appreciated.
 

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Hey nitikis and anybody who reads this topic. I want you guys to try something out. For one day abstain from eating any sugar or carbs and then note your varicocele the next day. if your concerned about energy try 2tbl spoons of coconut oil 3x a day. But one day with no carbs shouldnt kill you so this is not necessary imo if you just abstain for a day.

Anyway the forum i regular with the health advice had some info about why blood/vein related conditions amongst any in the body wont heal because the body cant heal when blood sugar is above a certain point. This is why diabetics gets limbs cut off because they dont know about this mechanism of the body. Anyway I eat lots of sugar so im like ok lets try. I didnt eat any carbs/sugar for the day and to my surprise the hang disappeared completely again. So the next day i tried again with no sugar and it was consistent. So i dont want to get peoples hopes up but this may be a big link as to why no ones varicocele ever heals as the modern diet is horrible.

So could everyone try and report back if theirs recovers some from not eating carbs. If so all it may take is any supplement that helps heal veins like rutin, bromelain, or stone root, combined with keeping blood sugar from being high and we might have a long lasting fix.

Any participation is appreciated.
Wow, a quick Google search indeed confirms high blood sugar weakening blood vessel walls and causing varicose veins.

What would consist of an ideal no-sugar no-carb diet?
 
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Basically something called a ****genic diet you replace carbs and sugar with fat (Virgin coconut oil is preety good) two tbl spoons 3 times a day and eat meat and veggies. Or you could just cut out all sugar especially cakes and candy and cut back on carbs but not completely and take chromium or gymnema slyvestre. The ladder is less extreme so yeah probably more doable for ppl as both supplements are cheap. Its what im doing and no more hanging or low libido or anyother symptoms since. side note low sugar intake is how you keep your hair. So yeah. It effects hormones and ish.
 

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*k e t o genic dont know why they blocked that out lol
 

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Do most of you guys experience pain with your varicocele? If so, where is the pain located? I experience pain on the right side of my right testicle (where the "bag of worms" seem to be) and on the top of me left testicle. It's worsening if I wear tight jeans.
 

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I used to experience it on my left especially with tighter jeans or smaller sized boxers.