Is anyone else worried? (Covid Vaccine)

[CUSP82]

Okay I don't know if this scares you but it does me. The new bosses covid advisor said we will not lockdown the county again but rather have "targeted restrictions on human mobility"! You know who has restrictions on mobility? They call them prisoners.

 

[Party]

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[madyogi]

Okay I don't know if this scares you but it does me. The new bosses covid advisor said we will not lockdown the county again but rather have "targeted restrictions on human mobility"! You know who has restrictions on mobility? They call them prisoners.

I'm just trying to understand what you're "getting at." You said earlier in this thread that "there is no purpose, only a goal." And then you said "they" have multiple purposes and the purposes depend on "the day and what group you're talking to. Since they have a wide variety of purposes or intents I dismiss them because they really believe what they're doing is righteous. Their goal which sadly some of them don't even realize is what scares me."

You still haven't clarified what you think "their" goal actually is, even though "they" don't know it. Please excuse my ignorance, but I'd appreciate you elucidating that. Also, I'd like to know who "they" refers to. Additionally, most people I know on all sides of the political spectrum have multiple purposes in life and multiple goals, and their goals are dictated by their purposes.

As far as excess mortality goes, why would you compare the first 15 weeks of 2020 to the first 15 weeks of 2019? 15 weeks into 2020 was halfway through April. Excess mortality began to spike in late March, going into April. JAMA reports the 20% increase from March to August as Not2Big pointed out.

I assume you think this is fake news?

If so, we are in for quite a ride, because like I said earlier, my biggest concern is not COVID nor Trump nor Biden. My biggest concern is that people are increasingly demonizing those with whom they disagree politically and seeing them as existential threats. More and more it feels people live in alternate realities, with different definitions of terms and so on.

The right is always railing against snowflakes and cancel culture and postmodernism (all of which I have critiques of), but it seems more and more like the right is driving us into a postmodernism dystopia just as much as the people on the left they vilify.

 

[18x13goalreached]

Melbourne australia was locked down for nearly 5 months...

And it was great lol

 

[Pegasus]

Melbourne australia was locked down for nearly 5 months...

And it was great lol

It is covid free after having a serious outbreak a rare thing in the western world . Well done guys

 

[Marlon LGHanger]

I've purposely stayed out of the conversations regarding anything political or Covid related.... but I got to say the thing that makes me laugh is watching people drive around alone in their car with a mask on. Makes me wonder if they go to bed alone with a condom on too?

 

[madyogi]

Yeah, I don't get the driving around with a mask on either ... Now you're making me think I should buy some stock in Magnum!

 

[Pegasus]

Yeah, I don't get the driving around with a mask on either ... Now you're making me think I should buy some stock in Magnum!

If ever I want to sell something I want the guy behind Magnum to market it for me .

 

[Ultimate Burrito]

I used to laugh about the face mask and driving until Uber made it a requirement to wear a face mask anytime I had a passenger. Now I get all the weird looks...

 

[HansTwilight]

Just wait an see guys, call me crazy (I may actualy be crazy lol :crazy but I am telling you, something is gong to happen to us. I will put money on "USSA" ... United Socialist States of America.

 

[madyogi]

Just wait an see guys, call me crazy (I may actualy be crazy lol :crazy but I am telling you, something is gong to happen to us. I will put money on "USSA" ... United Socialist States of America.

Ok, it's a bet ('cept I ain't got no money). How long do you think it will take for the crazy radical socialists pulling Biden's strings to make it happen?

I know a large cohort of folks saying similar things on Facebook, and of course it's all over the Fox News opinion shows. Trump says a Biden victory means no more suburbs, no more 401k's, no more Thanksgiving, no more Christmas, and on and on. My family's politics are pretty left, and we'll be getting together for Thanksgiving, just with a few added precautions. Let's also not forget that the right called Obama a socialist for 8 years too.

It's pretty hilarious to me, as an actual progressive, who would like to see single payer healthcare in the US, tax-payer funded public college, an end to the war on drugs, a big reduction in the military-industrial complex, and massive reforms to how money operates in politics. Very few of those things are actually on the table in a Biden administration, particularly if the Dems don't win the Senate. And even if those things actually came to pass, they aren't technically socialist policies. They're technically social democratic policies, and they work just fine alongside capitalist economies in other countries.

 

[not2big]

I do have a problem with closing the schools. The positivity rate inside the schools is much lower than the general public so way take them out of the low positivity environment and let them run around in the higher positivity environment.

 

[RickBhmcsb]

What's irritating me is that my local county is considering fines on local businesses if you're not requiring the wearing of a mask. We're literally on the verge of a vaccine so why even bother with stronger mask mandates when there's evidence that clearly shows they aren't as effective as once thought. I can prove to you masks don't work simply by wearing a non N95 mask while using a can of spray paint. Some of the over spray does get through. I have a deviated septum so I wear my mask at work in such a way so I can at least breathe.

 

[Johnny D]

If we're ok with opening schools (I know I am, as well) then we have to be ok with using the same logic for everything else. For the vast majority of individuals, the worst that will happen from a COVID infection is they'll get sick for a bit. The survivability rate on average is very high and for people who aren't old or have an underlying condition, the survivability is virtually guaranteed. To "lock down" entire populations or consider mandatory vaccinations given those facts is ephing bananas (in addition to a violation of individual liberty) and doesn't align with the science.

Back to the OP's question... Yes, there is something to seriously worry about when people talk about mandatory vaccines. I'm not worried about there being some sinister conspiracy involved wherein people will be injected with nanotechnology or mind control substances (sounds like a '70's Donald Sutherland film) but I do think this is just another case of authorities flexing their muscle and telling everyone, "We know what's best for you and we're here to protect you from everything bad".

 

[not2big]

The mask is primarily intended to prevent you from transmitting the virus to others; however, recent studies have shown that it also reduces (not prevents) the possibility of inhaling the virus. Accordingly, I appreciate people taking the extra effort to protect my health.

 

[Johnny D]

people are increasingly demonizing those with whom they disagree politically and seeing them as existential threats. More and more it feels people live in alternate realities, with different definitions of terms and so on.

I sure do agree with you on that point! I don't agree with much of your progressive ideology (let me add that I don't agree with most conservative ideology either) but I don't view you as the enemy or a threat in any way. In fact, I quite enjoy differences of opinion and sharing ideas. But the social discourse has completely devolved and the leaders on both sides are fanning the flames. They love for us to vilify the other side and egg us on. AOC and Omar spewing hate from the left and Trump & Co slinging it back from the right.

To your question of what's the purpose or goal... It's about generating fear. Authority thrives in an environment of fear. It gives them purpose - they can enforce their dictates in the name of protecting us from harm.

 

[Johnny D]

The mask is primarily intended to prevent you from transmitting the virus to others; however, recent studies have shown that it also reduces (not prevents) the possibility of inhaling the virus. Accordingly, I appreciate people taking the extra effort to protect my health.

In fact, recent studies have shown that a mask is ineffective as protection for the wearer. Check out the Danish study published in the Annals of Internal Medicine (which was rejected by a few other publications because...... well.... politicization of masks and everything else).

There was also a controlled study in the USMC wherein they separated a few thousand troops - one group to completely follow all the distancing, mask wearing, etc... protocols and the other group not so much. The results showed that following all the "proper" protocols did not reduce infection rates.

 

[BigO]

Your reality and mine are not the same. I have researched the numbers and the numbers say that it is a hoax.

That being said, I respect your opinion.

The death rate with Covid is as low or lower than Sars, the difference is that this is a political agenda.

I vape and I can draw my vape through my mask, the virus is much smaller than a particle of mist from vape fluid so without a doubt, the mask cannot stop a virus.

 

[BigO]

If the mask works, then you wear yours and you will be safe. I will not wear one

 

[BigO]

Okay I don't know if this scares you but it does me. The new bosses covid advisor said we will not lockdown the county again but rather have "targeted restrictions on human mobility"! You know who has restrictions on mobility? They call them prisoners.

This has been planned for a long time, they will lock up those that prove not to be sheep