Is anyone else worried? (Covid Vaccine)

[HansTwilight]

So as we all know there is a Covid Vaccine on the way, but my concern is that there are considerations to make it mandatory. :bad:
Why is this necessary when only a small percent of people die from it? There has to be something in this vaccine that they are giving us. I worry about it lowering our testosterone.
The media is hyping this thing so much and now they are starting to lockdown and close off borders again, right when the vaccine is on the way.
Something is totally off here with all this.

 

[CUSP82]

The vaccine will be fine and it will never be mandatory. That's kind of un constitutional. The media has made a big hype over this because they wanted to and it will continue until shortly after the inauguration.

 

[not2big]

The vaccine will be fine and it will never be mandatory. That's kind of un constitutional. The media has made a big hype over this because they wanted to and it will continue until shortly after the inauguration.

I don’t believe the overwhelmed hospitals in South Dakota and El Passo, Texas, including the prisoners sequestered to move the dead bodies into refrigerated trucks, consider it hype. I guess COVID-19 will disappear after Inauguration Day like it was going to disappear after the “heat started up in April.”

 

[HansTwilight]

The vaccine will be fine and it will never be mandatory. That's kind of un constitutional. The media has made a big hype over this because they wanted to and it will continue until shortly after the inauguration.

The Gov doesn't have to make it mandatory, but states might.
Think about it: Universities, schools, employers, concert venues, stores, they could have a say.

 

[CUSP82]

I don’t believe the overwhelmed hospitals in South Dakota and El Passo, Texas, including the prisoners sequestered to move the dead bodies into refrigerated trucks, consider it hype. I guess COVID-19 will disappear after Inauguration Day like it was going to disappear after the “heat started up in April.”

By the time Biden takes over the vaccines will be out and available and the coverage will be far less. Hey the darling media doesn't want to associate ole Joe with the virus.

 

[madyogi]

The vaccine will be fine and it will never be mandatory. That's kind of un constitutional. The media has made a big hype over this because they wanted to and it will continue until shortly after the inauguration.

I partially agree. The vaccine will be fine and it will never be mandatory, because that is unconstitutional. However, I doubt the media hype will change. People kept saying the media hype over Covid would go away after the election if Biden won. Of course, some still think he didn't, but even on CNN (where they think he did), the hype is still there. I honestly think cases and hospitalizations drive the hype, and the fact that the hype drives people's attention (hype on both sides drives eyeballs, btw).

 

[CUSP82]

When you have a disease, any disease with a 99.7% cure rate I don't really see why the hype. Funny the vast majority of people who tested positive never had a symptom. Just think you could be sick and never really get sick. Now that's my kind of disease.

 

[madyogi]

By the time Biden takes over the vaccines will be out and available and the coverage will be far less. Hey the darling media doesn't want to associate ole Joe with the virus.

Ha. This one is funny. I doubt Biden will "take over the vaccines" any more than DJT was "responsible for their development". Pfiser very clearly said they took no money from Operation Warp Speed. They actually developed the vaccine in conjunction with a German company (BioNTech) who got into the game early. Nothing to do with Biden OR Trump.

Media just wants our attention. They typically aren't interested in telling the truth or having nuanced conversations, no matter what "side" they're on.

 

[HansTwilight]

Guys, look at whats actually happening, right sided news is being silenced and taken off of platforms. Newsmax and One America News. They are trying to control information and more importantly, us. Think about it, they don't want us to know the election was frauded. I mean, if Biden won fair anD square, why the sh*t is a recount such a big deal? Why does ANYONE care. Let them do the recount in goof faith so we can all see for our own eyes Biden won. States (Georgia) is too afraid to do recount, it is obvious there is something fishy going on.

 

[madyogi]

Guys, look at whats actually happening, right sided news is being silenced and taken off of platforms. Newsmax and One America News. They are trying to control information and more importantly, us. Think about it, they don't want us to know the election was frauded. I mean, if Biden won fair anD square, why the sh*t is a recount such a big deal? Why does ANYONE care. Let them do the recount in goof faith so we can all see for our own eyes Biden won. States (Georgia) is too afraid to do recount, it is obvious there is something fishy going on.

Is someone contesting the recount in Georgia? I thought that was moving forward, but maybe I'm wrong.

Even if that overturns Georgia (which it's unlikely to do), other states would still need to flip for the electoral college to go Trump's way.

Are you contending that over 5,000,000 votes for Biden were fraudulent, or just that something like 100,000 in 3-5 states were fraudulent?

As far as I know, you can still watch OAN and News Max, correct? I just went to the website and watched the live feed myself. How are they "being silenced"? Isn't it a private company's right to make decisions about the content they carry? I'm not saying I think YouTube or whatever should deplatform people. In fact, I think the opposite, but it hardly seems like a private company making decisions about their platform is inconsistent with the US Constitution. Keep in mind, free speech is about government infringement on speech. This is a private company deciding to remove an account or whatever. Notice the government isn't coming in and saying they can't stream their content on their own websites.

 

[not2big]

I regularly watch OAN and force myself to listen to the outrageous claims regarding wide spread ballot counting fraud. Since Election Day, The Republicans have started 21 law suits and so far have won one in PA regarding late presentation of IDs (600) and lost or withdrew from 14. Accordingly, 6 are still pending but it is doubtful they cover enough votes to alter the results.
On Monday , four of the Republican lawyers involved in the PA suits have resigned, leaving Mark Scaringi, a Fox News legal commentator, to lead the team. Scaringi previously advised that there is not enough evidence to overturn the election results.

Fox news commentators have recentl also been installed as the Secretary of Defense and the head of the COVID Team - Scott Atlas, a radiologist.

 

[HansTwilight]

Is someone contesting the recount in Georgia? I thought that was moving forward, but maybe I'm wrong.

Even if that overturns Georgia (which it's unlikely to do), other states would still need to flip for the electoral college to go Trump's way.

Are you contending that over 5,000,000 votes for Biden were fraudulent, or just that something like 100,000 in 3-5 states were fraudulent?

As far as I know, you can still watch OAN and News Max, correct? I just went to the website and watched the live feed myself. How are they "being silenced"? Isn't it a private company's right to make decisions about the content they carry? I'm not saying I think YouTube or whatever should deplatform people. In fact, I think the opposite, but it hardly seems like a private company making decisions about their platform is inconsistent with the US Constitution. Keep in mind, free speech is about government infringement on speech. This is a private company deciding to remove an account or whatever. Notice the government isn't coming in and saying they can't stream their content on their own websites.

The Government doesn't have to do that. Big tech companies are liberal and could be working together. A-list celebrities / CEO can be funding it. Dolly Parton funded the vaccine. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I am telling you, there is a body of rich people working together, funding and bribing.

The machines could have been rigged, so yes millions of votes could have been frauded /changed.

 

[madyogi]

The Government doesn't have to do that. Big tech companies are liberal and could be working together. A-list celebrities / CEO can be funding it. Dolly Parton funded the vaccine. Call me a conspiracy theorist but I am telling you, there is a body of rich people working together, funding and bribing.

The machines could have been rigged, so yes millions of votes could have been frauded /changed.

I don't doubt there's a corporate elite that's a problem, and I don't like big tech. If I had my druthers, we'd break them up or regulate them in ways people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have already called for.

My sense is that politicians on all sides have fallen down on their job to reign in lobbyists, big tech, and moneyed interests. My sense is that massive amounts of corporate money have soured the swamp, and I don't see how either party has made any significant moves to fix that problem. I don't see it as a partisan issue, or a right-left issue. I see it as a class issue.

That said, I don't think the election results are fraudulent any more they were when DJT won the electoral college 4 years ago.

If the Dems wanted to defraud the election, why did they lose so many down-ballot races in the process? All the pundits thought it was likely Dems would pick up seats in the house and also likely win the senate. They lost seats in the house, and if they somehow manage to pick up both Georgia seats (unlikely) it won't be what they thought/wanted it to would be.

Seems weird, if there was widespread fraud, that we wouldn't be seeing the down-ballot results the fraudsters would have wanted, right?

 

[Pegasus]

The Aussie govt has said the vaccine will not be made mandatory.

 

[not2big]

Schools may make it mandatory; however, adults will most likely be encouraged to take it voluntarily. First responders will get it first, probably by the end of the year. General public probably by the end of first quarter of 2021.

 

[Johnny D]

I don’t believe the overwhelmed hospitals in South Dakota and El Passo, Texas, including the prisoners sequestered to move the dead bodies into refrigerated trucks, consider it hype. I guess COVID-19 will disappear after Inauguration Day like it was going to disappear after the “heat started up in April.”

Except that the examples you're giving are, in fact, the hype.

"Overwhelmed hospitals" is said to make it sound as though a plague is among us and hospitals can't handle all of the ill. Instead, hospitals are purposely admitting more people - admittance is up because hospitals have chosen to change their policies and are admitting people they wouldn't have admitted who came in with similar symptoms last year. And if you look at the turnover, they're keeping people just long enough to call them admitted patients and not just ER or treated patients. They get money for that.

"Moving dead bodies into refrigerated trucks" sounds quite chilling and is used to sell fear. What they're not telling you is that it's not a direct result of deaths piling up but, instead, a result of a compilation of things. All of those bodies are waiting for autopsy - they wouldn't ordinarily autopsy every death so the morgues aren't designed to hold that capacity. Also, since people who died with a positive COVID test have to be handled differently, there's a backlog before they can get them to the funeral home. So, if a person dies of pneumonia, for example, and was negative for COVID, they're dealt with straight away. But if they tested positive for COVID, they have to body bag them (plus the autopsy) and handle them differently, which isn't the normal procedure. All of the extra COVID procedures, simply because someone tested positive, creates the appearance of mounting deaths and bodies piling up.

You can't look at hospitalizations or positive cases as an indicator since those numbers are just kind of garbage data. What you can use is ICU admittance for COVID and deaths caused by COVID and both of those data show that the rest is hype.

 

[not2big]

North Dakota’s coronavirus mortality rate is the highest of any U.S. state or country, according to an analysis of data from last week conducted by the Federation of American Scientists.
The analysis shows that North Dakota has a rate of 18.2 deaths per 1 million people. South Dakota, meanwhile, has 17.4 deaths per million, the third-worst rate in the world.

Note that the stats relate to deaths.

I gather you prefer to believe the statements uttered by a pathological liar to those of highly trained medical professionals.

 

[CUSP82]

And yet they have had the lowest totals for months. That's what this virus does. I know folks want to blame someone for the rise but they really can't.

 

[BigO]

The Aussie govt has said the vaccine will not be made mandatory.

Sounds like a proper government

 

[madyogi]

Schools may make it mandatory; however, adults will most likely be encouraged to take it voluntarily. First responders will get it first, probably by the end of the year. General public probably by the end of first quarter of 2021.

This is most likely how it will go down. Certain employers are likely to mandate it as well. When I worked in a hospital I was required to get the flu shot every year. This will probably be similar.