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Sometimes if you repeat a lie often enough you can get people to think that it is the truth.



 

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I find it interesting that this war has gone on for 3 1/2 years and up til just recently there was no talk of peace; none! I can't figure out the mindset of anyone that wants killing to continue. I don't care what moral high ground you think you own and you own it because you, your family, your friends, your homes are not affected. Amazing
 

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During World War II, there were several peace overtures and diplomatic efforts aimed at ending the conflict or reaching a settlement, though most were unsuccessful due to the uncompromising positions of the major belligerents . Seems Ukraine and Russia are experiencing a similar situation.
 

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It is not up to us Cusp . Fact is the Ukes were attacked (several times ) and want there land back . The Rus can go home any time they want to .

It is up to them when they want to finish ,
 

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Where there was no talk of peace now the question is what will peace look like?
 

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Waiting on developments
 

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Agree to no NATO in Ukraine and we can have peace
 

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Actually I think Nato is dead as there are a couple of unrelaible players within it .

I notice major players within it forming groups that will be more effective .

Um no btw Cusp ,Putin is looking to destroy Ukraine the rest is window dressing .
 

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Putin need access to a warm weather port which happens to be on the Black Sea; CRIMEA! URAINE GAVE THEM LIMITED ACCESS!
 

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Actually I think Nato is dead
I'll drink to that!
Putin need access to a warm weather port which happens to be on the Black Sea; CRIMEA! URAINE GAVE THEM LIMITED ACCESS!
Maybe I misunderstand your statement but what I infer from it is that you think Putin is entitled to it
 

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Umm Cusp Russia has existed fine with the ports they had before . Every country has difficulities to overcome including in many cases no ports at all.
 

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Cusp Russia has existed fine with the ports they had before . Every country has difficulities to overcome including in many cases no ports at all.
Yes they had a port on the Black Sea in Crimea which was supposed to allow Russians free access when Ukraine left the Soviet Union. Then things started to happen to prevent that access like a bride needed constuction, a road closed etc. so they finally got pissed and took it
 

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Actually Cusp Russia did not the USSR did . The Russians were allowed access to Uke ports . I repeat many countries exist fine with no ports

You are beliving Rus propoganda snap out of it .
 

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There many reports and warnings given to the Ukes for denying access to their naval port. You actually think that one day Putin decided to take Crimea for no reason? Oh I know trying to restore the old union which is bullpoop
 

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You're limiting your telling of history in an effort to support your preferred narrative. Either that, or you haven't really researched the extent and origins of the conflict.
 

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Okay tell me what this conflict is all about
 

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The Rus are empire building Cusp .
 

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The Russians are trying to protect themselves. You, like us, have an ocean for protection. Russia is surrounded for the most part by countries they feel are a threat to them
 

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Putin's own words have made it pretty clear that he wants to expand Russia and always has. He's carrying on the legacy of his predecessors who wanted to do the same. By your argument, the US should invade Mexico and Canada to further "protect themselves".
 

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Putin has been in charge of Russia since 2000, 25 years ago. He was much younger than. Now that he's 72 why do you think he decided to expand Russia now? Why did he wait 25 years? You think he just woke up one morning in 2014 and said I think I'll take Crimea? Your reasoning is media driven