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It should help the USA
 

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No Cusp it won't.

The war continues I expect rising oil price and that will help Putin .
Mind you now Ukes are destroying the refineries it might not matter .
Russian economy continues the slow motion bus crash and will not recover in my lifetime . Mind you I am concerned about the economies of the collective west .
 
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So if oil prices go up which will help Putin why will his economy collapse? You have been saying for years Russian economy will collapse and it's still fine. Remember when you're backed by China nothing too terrible will happen
 

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If the price of oil and some other commidities goes up it will help Putin.
The Rus economy is in deep trouble , it is headed for North Korea territory though I doubt they will get wide spread starvarion . Trump is the best chance they have .
North Korea is now supplying military vehicles the Rus have run short of .
 

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There’s a bright idea to Trump‘s chaotic policies. Ukraine is open to “investment” from allies as long as they help it fight Russia, President Zelenskyy said after Trump demanded Kyiv supply the US with rare earth resources – critical elements used in electronics – in exchange for military aid.
 

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The war will be over soon
 

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The war continues the Uke economy is in the toilet and being supported by the west
The Ukes continue to break the Rus economic infrastructure particularly oil . The cost of the war is beyond Rus ability to bear and their economy continues to break down . Their offical interest rate of 21% is not enough to bring inflation under control, bancrupcy is continuing to climb yada yada .
 

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In 2022, the federal government spent over $70 billion on foreign aid, which was about 1% of the total federal budget.This is consistent with the past 20 years, when foreign aid has averaged less than 2% of total federal spending.

Seems to me, the U.S. prioritizes domestic aid over foreign aid by quite a lot.
We should prioritize domestic aid over foreign aid.
 

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Well Cusp I seem to have met resistance when I suggested the US needed to step back and have a total look at how it does everything ..

Back on thread the war continues . Trump seems to have caused Putin no harm at all but cut aid to many places including Uke .
We should step back on just about everything our sh1t government has put us into. Especially with Ukraine and Israel

Trump has no obligation to cause Russia any harm, and Uke is the first place we should cut off
 

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Cuting aid to the Ukes lengthens the warand makes the eventual peace a short one .
 

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We cut ties to the ukes and the war is over, do you really think the ukes can fight after the US cuts them off?

Russia has been beating them like baby seals with all the help.

Zelensky will cave as soon as the US actually stops supporting them
 

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Of course they will continue to fight they have done it before and they know the US is not releliable .
The Rus have taken 800,000 casualities and destroyed their economy etc .
The US has already reduced support and the result is more deep attacks desroying Rus infrastructure .
I expect the Rus to fold one way or another by the end of the year.
 

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The risk re Rus continuing longer than I think is the increasing support from axis country particularly North Korea .

So who has gained from the war well North Korea ,Iran ,China ( cheap oil trade at good prices etc ) India (cheap oil prices ) .

Also a number of allied country benifit particularly those that sell oil . Perhaps members could help ne with a list
 

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Russia has not taken anywhere near 800,000 thousand casualties, that is a western media pipe dream, nothing more
 

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Uh huh O and their economy is going great and they have lots of tanks and ifv the people support the war and so on .

Trump is their best chance to salvage something .
 

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Uh huh O and their economy is going great and they have lots of tanks and ifv the people support the war and so on .

Trump is their best chance to salvage something .
Ukraine will be surrendering soon and there will be no shift in border lines.

When that happens, and it won't be to long, you will still believe Ukraine won the war.

Trump will not save Ukraine, it's over
 

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Well no shift would mean back to the internationally recognised pre 2014 borders .

Trump is Putins bitch on what I have seen so far .

You want to put a time frame on that supposed Uke surrender ? Like I said before Trump is the best chance for the survival of the Rus economy . Lifting sanctions might well be worse for the Ukes ( depending how much oil infrastructure they destroy ) than stoping arms .
 

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How exactly is Ttump Putins bitch?