Actually hourglass shape is normal yes. But it is not normal if you have it during erection. BUT, I also didn't have flaccid hourglass shape before injury. Now I have it. Luckily not when erect.
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Substantial prostate inflammation and you NEVER had detectable PSA levels? Well then if mine is 0.5, I wonder what that means for someone my age. Guess I'll just have to ask and find out. Was your PSA level tested during an active bout of inflammation?
I didn't mean that they were always 0.0, sorry to word it that way. I meant I never had any that were cause for alarm. They bounced around from 0 to less than 1. Last they were checked they were zero. It was tested several times, along with bacterial cultures. Never found anything other than pain. Typically it wasn't inflamed at all. Sometimes it was, other times it just hurt.
Your prostate can be inflamed from simple BPH, muscle tension, certain foods, alcohol, too much ejaculation, too little ejaculation, infection, all kinds of stuff. Inflammation and cancer aren't necessarily related at all. And it's totally normal for PSA levels to fluctuate, and for someone with a perfectly healthy prostate to have some detectable PSA. I think you are worrying yourself for no reason. Relax, ask your doctor, and they will put your mind at ease.
Well, I did kegels vefore bed last night, and not even overtrained, only like 20-30. Today, hard flaccid I guess could be called substantially bad, due to the fact that when I lay down, it IS giving me relief, but nowhere near as much as I usually get. It was actually still entirely hard for about a minute after laying down today, which NEVER happens. On top of this, on my way home from college, I felt this recurring pain in my perineum, really close to the anus or actually on the anus itself (whatever muscle/muscles that are associated with that are...)
I definetely know that pelvic floor therapy or trigger point message would not cure this condition, especially because I get that hourglass shape in my penis sometimes, which would be a structural problem with the penis. But maybe I could find some relief of the HF by getting pelvic trigger point message or something?
I definetely know that pelvic floor therapy or trigger point message would not cure this condition, especially because I get that hourglass shape in my penis sometimes, which would be a structural problem with the penis. But maybe I could find some relief of the HF by getting pelvic trigger point message or something?
I'll second the notion that hourglass shape to the penis is completely 100% normal, especially for circumcised folk. I've had a bit of hourglass shape my entire life when flaccid, and when I'm hard it's even very slightly noticeable. It's just a combination of the natural shape of the penis, foreskin, and/or circumcision scar. Totally normal. Hard flaccid just happens to make SUPER noticeable.
Also was informed today that the dents.... totally normal as well. The penis is segmented into pieces, like a worm. The dent on the bottom represents where the shaft meets the base. And there's even another dent further in where the base meets the bulb. The dent on the left or right is natural as well, and will likely be on the same side that your dorsal vein favors. The dorsal vein almost always is off to one side or the other. It's just hard flaccid constricting the muscle around this tissue and making every little lump, bump, vein and defect that much more noticeable. Look up Peyronie's hourglass and you'll see it's a totally different ballgame. That is hardened plaque replacing healthy tissue. You would feel that in more ways than one. Hell, you might have it after all, but it wouldn't be a "sometimes" situation.
And I wouldn't be so quick to write off the pelvic floor just yet. I've been making some headway and learning all sorts of stuff with my own situation the past few days. I am definitely finding a strong link between my pelvic muscles and my hard flaccid. I can't even pretend to ignore it at this point. Hard flaccid came along and my pelvis floor was thrashed. Hard flaccid got better at the same time as the pelvic floor. Pelvic floor is now bad again and so is hard flaccid.
Trying to keep good data on what I've been doing and not doing and how the condition is getting in comparison and there are distinct links between the position I am spending my day in, how much physical therapy and massage I am doing, stress, diet and exercise - all of which directly influence both my aching ass, taint, balls and penis as well the hard flaccid simultaneously. It's pretty clear for myself that I can at least improve this a bunch by managing my pelvic floor problems.
None of this offers any explanation for the huge dorsal vein though, which I now actually suspect is an artery and not a vein at all. The dorsal vein runs up the middle, and this is off to the left. The arteries are what run up the left and right. They are also what supply the blood TO the penis, and the veins carry it away. It also doesn't seem to have enough visible color to be a superficial vein, unlike all the other visible veins which are dark. This one seems to be beneath more skin. I think it is a dorsal artery that's popping out, not a vein. Perhaps that's why they thought they were seeing no blood flowing through it when standing, and only briefly in the wrong direction during my ultrasound. Maybe it wasn't the wrong direction at all and they were looking at an artery thinking it was a vein.
For those of you getting Ultrasounds, Please see if your doctor can look at this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1843371
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Hello guys I have some news.
Firstly i could not see my doctor right now so he referred me to another doctor. I met the doctor, very competent. She did not say i had nothing, she took it seriously. She said that i will probably need a surgery because there is something obstructing the blood to the penis. She thinks that i might have loosen something because of constipation. I told her i had hemoroids and other strange symptoms around this area and she said it was normal because everything is connected there.
So she put me to pass a abdominal ultrasound and will refer me to an urologist if i need to pass more test before the surgery (if surgery is needed).
I am going to keep you guys updated. Good day
Firstly i could not see my doctor right now so he referred me to another doctor. I met the doctor, very competent. She did not say i had nothing, she took it seriously. She said that i will probably need a surgery because there is something obstructing the blood to the penis. She thinks that i might have loosen something because of constipation. I told her i had hemoroids and other strange symptoms around this area and she said it was normal because everything is connected there.
So she put me to pass a abdominal ultrasound and will refer me to an urologist if i need to pass more test before the surgery (if surgery is needed).
I am going to keep you guys updated. Good day
Woohoo! Great work man. Really happy to hear some progress. If you have any specific reports and information send the info along via the website and I'll get it up there. I'm assuming they will be looking at your iliac arteries. I heard of one case where they found a small hernia wrapped around the internal iliac that was tightening only when standing up.
When is your next test?
Keep us posted, and good luck!
So how many of you plan on going back to PE after we get better? (if the reason why your injury forum was caused by PE) Haha i think i'l be good once i'm all healed, at least for a while. I read that a few injured people actually do very light PE in order to re-stretch all the constriction/congestion and have seen more positive results to healing. I guess sort of like a physical therapy sort of thing...? Seems way too risky, not worth it to me. I suppose it doesn't help to be unaware of exactly what the problem is that's restricting blood flow and ultimately leading all of us to hard flaccid.
I never did any kind of PE to begin with, but I'd be wary of doing it with hard flaccid at all. That tissue is meant to have some blood in it and be soft. Stretching it out when it doesn't just can't be a good thing. I had a uro appointment a few weeks ago and the guy grabbed my penis head and pulled it like a foot from my body while it was hard flaccid. It pretty much was in shooting pain after that for a good solid week straight. I think if anyone recovers from this they should thank their lucky stars and walk away from any questionable penis activity forever. Do you know how elated I would be to wake up tomorrow and see my normal penis again?! The thought of someone getting that feeling and then damaging it again with something they could totally avoid is pretty infuriating. To each their own though. It's your penis, or it was anyway.
I say if you are one of the lucky people to actually recover from this injury, to get a second chance, and you caused this injury by doing PE, I would be eternally grateful that my penis even got a second chance. The LAST thing I would do would be the thing that ruined my penis in the first place. Not dissing PE'ers at all. But PE obviously does cause this injury, and this injury pretty much doesnt heal on its own. If somehow yours did, why the hell would you ever go back to what caused the injury in the first place. It makes NO sense to me. If I make it through this, I would be grateful to even have a functioning penis, I wouldn't even care about its size, that would be my last concern. Id rather have a penis that is 5.5 inches erect and functioning than a 7 inch broken penis. Just sayin.
I never did any kind of PE to begin with, but I'd be wary of doing it with hard flaccid at all. That tissue is meant to have some blood in it and be soft. Stretching it out when it doesn't just can't be a good thing. I had a uro appointment a few weeks ago and the guy grabbed my penis head and pulled it like a foot from my body while it was hard flaccid. It pretty much was in shooting pain after that for a good solid week straight. I think if anyone recovers from this they should thank their lucky stars and walk away from any questionable penis activity forever. Do you know how elated I would be to wake up tomorrow and see my normal penis again?! The thought of someone getting that feeling and then damaging it again with something they could totally avoid is pretty infuriating. To each their own though. It's your penis, or it was anyway.
Amen to that
Hey guys,
Just got back from my appt. I had the exact same test Obitoo had with the exact same protocol. Done at the same lab with the same tech. lol.
So it showed with the waveform sensors that I had very little to no blood flow standing up whilst things were normal when lying down. When he did the ultrasound, my blood flow "spikes" (forgot the technical term) were a lot more pronounced when lying down and when standing, although present, were very very minimal. The color flow on the screen also looked a lot less prominent.
He reiterated the same thing obi did about the wand frequency needing to be higher to get a better picture of the arteries. He reccomended I find a place with a higher frequency to really get in there and get a better look.
I directed him to our website and also gave him a handout obi suggested to me regarding a non invasive test for measuring iliac artery blockages. He was not confident enough to perform that test at the time but he said he would check out the website and do some further research. Seemed like a really good guy.
I want to take these results to my next uro appt. and see if I can get more testing to get to the bottom of this blood flow issue. Will keep everyone updated.
Just got back from my appt. I had the exact same test Obitoo had with the exact same protocol. Done at the same lab with the same tech. lol.
So it showed with the waveform sensors that I had very little to no blood flow standing up whilst things were normal when lying down. When he did the ultrasound, my blood flow "spikes" (forgot the technical term) were a lot more pronounced when lying down and when standing, although present, were very very minimal. The color flow on the screen also looked a lot less prominent.
He reiterated the same thing obi did about the wand frequency needing to be higher to get a better picture of the arteries. He reccomended I find a place with a higher frequency to really get in there and get a better look.
I directed him to our website and also gave him a handout obi suggested to me regarding a non invasive test for measuring iliac artery blockages. He was not confident enough to perform that test at the time but he said he would check out the website and do some further research. Seemed like a really good guy.
I want to take these results to my next uro appt. and see if I can get more testing to get to the bottom of this blood flow issue. Will keep everyone updated.
Hey guys,
Just got back from my appt. I had the exact same test Obitoo had with the exact same protocol. Done at the same lab with the same tech. lol.
So it showed with the waveform sensors that I had very little to no blood flow standing up whilst things were normal when lying down. When he did the ultrasound, my blood flow "spikes" (forgot the technical term) were a lot more pronounced when lying down and when standing, although present, were very very minimal. The color flow on the screen also looked a lot less prominent.
He reiterated the same thing obi did about the wand frequency needing to be higher to get a better picture of the arteries. He reccomended I find a place with a higher frequency to really get in there and get a better look.
I directed him to our website and also gave him a handout obi suggested to me regarding a non invasive test for measuring iliac artery blockages. He was not confident enough to perform that test at the time but he said he would check out the website and do some further research. Seemed like a really good guy.
I want to take these results to my next uro appt. and see if I can get more testing to get to the bottom of this blood flow issue. Will keep everyone updated.
Haha, small world huh? Well that's good that you were at least able to confirm the same thing as I did. It's a step in the right direction for sure. OK so now we are officially tied. Keep in touch, I will scouring for high frequency ultrasounds next week. I don't have a real doctor visit until the 14th though so I probably won't be getting any tests until after that.
I think it was a good move to get that same tech and at least plant the seed of this inside that lab. It's an excellent facility.
Send me along your information via the website and I'll get it posted in the progress section alongside mine asap.
Good work! Keep it coming.
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does anyone else have testicle symptoms as well?? i can apply alot of pressure on my balls without feeling pain...I discovered this when doing a self examination in the shower...they are way less sensitive
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does anyone else have testicle symptoms as well?? i can apply alot of pressure on my balls without feeling pain...I discovered this when doing a self examination in the shower...they are way less sensitive
I would stop applying pressure to your balls for starters. I don't that's ever a good idea.
The only testicle symptoms I've had personally are SUPER low hanging balls. Like ridiculous, lifeless old man balls. If I am up and moving around they get back to normal pretty well, and they are good in the morning. But if I'm sitting around for any period of time they get pretty silly looking. Can't quite figure out what the deal is with that. Lack of blood? Too much heat? Maybe the hard flaccid penis is keeping them too warm? No friggin' clue. On the contrary, I've heard some others with hard flaccid say they have super tightly pulled up balls. I had that the first two days when it was super tiny and hard. But as soon as things started to loosen up the sack got really loose. Too loose. It's quite annoying in fact.
What are you expecting to feel when you apply pressure to your balls? Did you used to do that and they used to hurt? Maybe they are less sensitive because you're touching everything down there all day. I know I've become way to comfortable poking at places that used to make me cringe. As far as I know, the things you would worry about with your testicles would be drastic shrinkage or growth, lumps or cysts, or distinct changes in texture and firmness, ie: your balls turning to mush or suddenly becoming rock hard.
I know mine just feel way more "alive" and healthy when they are riding up higher and are normal and nice and cool. Maybe do what you can to get them into that state. I find long brisk walks to really do the trick for that.
when i stand up my penis changes its firmness and size, so does my brothers, so does my dad... so u guys are telling me we are all suffering from some disorder?
Was it like this your entire life, or do you remember a time when it wasn't this way? Everyone who is complaining of hard flaccid has a distinct moment in time when their penis when from normal to not normal literally instantly. I never had a firm flaccid penis is my entire life. Then right before my eyes it changed and stayed that way. I think that's the difference.
There's no natural reason to be walking around with a firm flaccid penis, other than adrenaline. But there's also no reason to be walking around with a constant adrenaline rush. That would be something wrong as well.
Of course. But would you then say that you, and all of the other men in your family, have had 24/7 anxiety and high adrenaline for your entire lives? That's certainly possible, but you'd likely also notice lots of other physical and mental symptoms as well if that were the case.
I'd find it highly unlikely that every single person on this board (which happens to be a board focused on doing abnormal penis stretching and enlargement) also happen to have come down with an instantaneous case of 24/7 anxiety disorder coincidentally while in the midst of stretching out their penises. Especially considering the test results several of us have had. It's so obviously a vascular injury of some kind for these people. If yours has been that way forever then sure, maybe you have had anxiety disorder and adrenaline overload your entire life. That must really suck.
Truth is I don't really care what's wrong with your penis or your dads or brothers, especially if you don't care. But if you are concerned, I would recommend seeing a doctor and getting real answers. There are no answers here, only speculation. And if you're trying to lower your anxiety levels then speculation on the internet is probably just about the worst possible thing for you.
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Hey obittoo, I am almost finished compling information for my parents on this in a very orderly manner. I want to go to the same lab HF went to and also the same one you went to. Whcih specific lab/doctor, etc, is this?
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