no noticable gains.. kind of confused

[indianajones]

Hi!

I have been doing JPs program for about 6 weeks now, and have not seen any gains what so ever. i think maybe im doing the pe wrong or im just that guy it would take a longer time with.

My routine:
- Warmup in the shower for about 10-15 minutes with the bathmate waterpump
- stretches and kegels and helicopter shakes. i try to stay as flaccid as possible around 20-30%
- jelq 300 reps and 180 v-jelqs (100 jelqs, 60 v-jelqs, 100 jelqs 60 v-jelqs, 100 jelqs, 60 v-jelqs). i use 4-5 seconds on each hand and try to be about 60-70% erect. this is roughly around 1 h and 30 mins of peeing. is this to long? or does most of you guys pe for this long?
i usually never warm down. just wrap my pumped up penis with sports bandage to try to get bigger when flaccid.

i do this 5 times a week and have the weekends of. i do about 50-100 kegels every day.

i am not circumsized so when i stretch i feel its impossible to be 1 inch behind the head.. does any of you not circumsized guys know what i mean?

one more thing, i bought this strethcing device a long time ago called jes extender. is it possible to work this in to the program? around 1 hour or 2 every day?

thanks for your help!

 

[Pirate]

That sounds like an awful lot to me but I am sure one of the experts will tell you what they think soon. My guess is that you aren't giving yourself nearly enough rest.
How is your EQ?
How are your PI's?

 

[Sloppy]

I retract my foreskin, then slowly close my grip just behind my glands. I get a firm grip from this and no discomfort, then I simply stretch.

 

[Cleave]

That sounds like an awful lot to me but I am sure one of the experts will tell you what they think soon. My guess is that you aren't giving yourself nearly enough rest.

I don't have a ton of experience here but I really think that Pirate is on to something. Like any other muscle in your body, the muscles in the penis also need adequate time off to repair themselves. Even though you are taking the weekends off, this still may not be enough time off considering the rigor of your routine.

Now since you've been doing this for a while now, I'm guessing that you have probably figured out a jelq that works for you but since a large amount of your routine is based on the jelq, you may want to check out this post by HJFboxer https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-...lq.html?highlight=how+i+found+my+perfect+jelq. There is some really solid information there that will hopefully help you to maximize the effectiveness of your routine.

Best of luck!

 

[BMot]

When you say "no noticable gains", do you mean that you visually can't see any gains, or have you been measuring?

If you can't see any gains, the reason is that you can't. You're penis will be growing too slowly for you to be able to tell. If you aren't doing already, start taking measurements.

Also, 6 weeks is a very short period of time. Many people don't see irrefutable gains until several months down the line.

 

[vulcan]

Hey Indianajones,
Forgive me if it was assumed, but are you using talc to help with grip when stretching? I didn't at first & found stretching frustrating & unproductive. Talc gave me a good grip & I am starting to make length gains.

 

[Squid]

Have you shown any bad PI? Are you sore a lot or having a hard time getting erections?

If not, you may be doing fine and just a hard gainer. I am one of them myself. I did pull out .5 in the beginning but this was mostly from stretch oriented exercise (stretching/weights) but picking back up last August (6 months now) I have made at best .25 in length and less than that in girth (though my flaccid stretch did increase a little over .25). I started pretty easy with one day on and one day off (jelqing/stretching). Then when I was seeing little results I went up to two days on and one day off. Now I am five days on and the weekend off trying to discover the best routine. But I rarely get sore, have no problem getting erections, etc. so I doubt I am over training. In my case, I think I just need more daily time as well as overall time to get results.

The penis is slightly different than our other muscles and our ways of increasing it are different (ie: stretching it out) so the rest and recuperation is different. It is by no means a science but the penis itself is fairly flexible and does require more than 8 brief sets of an exercise to effect it.

I do 90 to 2 hours a day, five days a week. I will soon be adding an extender to add another 4 hours of medium stretch to my routine.

You can always try dropping a few days off your week schedule and see what happens in three weeks.

 

[Gator]

Use baby powder to help with stretching.

A rundown of your P.I.s would be useful knowledge for us. If you don't know what that is, read this thread and report back.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-the...2-physiological-indicators-original-post.html

 

[indianajones]

Hi again!

and thanks for your tips..

Pirat: my EQ is exellent, im at worst a 7 and a best at 9-10, ive always been like that. For the PI's somedays i have good morning wood, somedays i dont, i often feel i dont have morningwood is when i dont have enough sleep though. In the beginning i got some red dots and slight achyness, but havent had this in a while so i guess thats a good thing. i also had some negative PI's in the beginning, but then i decreased my training and ive increased the last 3 weeks or so with out any problems. but maybe the clue is to give it some rest, do 2 days on and 1 day of?

bmot: i have been measuring every 2 weeks, and have not seen any gains. but thats what im thinking, maybe im one of the "lucky" ones were the gains wount come as quick. i am really patient but then again unpatient, but i am really dedicated to PEing and will keep on doing it for the rest of my life, but i just need some good advice so i start of right.

Cleave: thanks for the link, ive read it, and i will try it tomorrow.

squid: when you say stretching and weights, is weights something i should do this early on in the prosess? if so, do you have a link to were i can buy some weights? i dont want to hang a 20 pound dumbell on my unit

gator, vulcan and sloppy: i will buy talc or baby powder first thing tomorrow the most PI's ive got is the neutral ones, maybe harder wood. for about 2 days ago me and my girlfriend had sex, and i dont think my dick has been more harder than it was that day, but i didnt see her for 5 days and did not jerk off that whole last week, the only thing i did was PEing and i also did some edging, so i feel that not cumming at all last week was the main reason for my hard wood.

but im so dedicated to JPs program, with the 5 days on and 2 days of, after seeing his remarkable gains that i feel that i cant cut down on the jelqs. But maybe i should try to only do 200 jelqs and 120 v-jelqs. im not sure?

thanks again guys! you really make me feel better and it gives me good motivation to keep on going to reach my goal!

 

[Pirate]

Think about going to 2 On 1 Off for a while and see how that feels.
Good luck!

 

[Aguares]

Out of curiosity, when you say 300 reps; are you counting each hand stroke as a rep? 1 rep is supposed to include 1 stroke each hand (totaling 2 strokes) so, I hope that's what you mean. If you are doing a full 100 (both hands) jelqs/ 60 V-jeqs per set then, I say you are over training.

Also, are you jelqing against the "tug"?

 

[NP97]

I'm guessing you meant total strokes there, not 1 jelq is both hands. If so that is still kinda a lot to just start. Maybe take an extra day off if you experience any negative PI's.

 

[Albert]

I am replying specifically to the earlier post about stretching with a foreskin. I found difficulty with this in the early stages but I took the advice of other members and now retract the foreskin while stretching. This makes it much easier to get a good grip just below the head and I find it much more satisfactory.

 

[indianajones]

i count 1 hand as 1 rep..

i always jelq straight out, but when i hold my dick straight up i feel a much stronger tug then when i hold it straight down, so your saying i should jelg straight up?

Albert: i bought some talc and it feels much better now

 

[calixto]

dude, try the good ol' "2 days on/1 day off", and stick with that.

 

[indianajones]

calixto i will! thanks!