Yes, you are correct.
But do not neglect smooth muscle work, just focus on the tunica, about 70:30 percent favoring tunica targeting exercises.
Thank u MRB8..
FOCUS YOUR PE & GAIN! TGC Theory Explained!
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Thank u MRB8..
I think this is a point missing in your presentation. I was going to just post a link to the matterofsize site, but the server keeps timing out about every 5-7 seconds.
So to give proper attribution, this is from
http://biggerpenis.mattersofsize.com/2009/05/what-you-should-know-about-your-penis.html
BY REDZULU
This is a brief thread regarding mostly ligaments but also tendons and is covering the whole range and not one area specific, so this can be used to boost our knowledge of the penile structures and how better to target it.
Firstly lets talk about ligaments.
The ligaments help to stabilize and reinforce your joints by connecting bone to bone. Your ligaments can take an enormous amount of force for a very brief time and if the force is not removed, the ligament will tear or rupture.
If a ligament is damaged it usually takes between eight to twelve weeks for it to regain its strength. During that time your joint must be protected and supported by either taping it or using a brace [Doesnt apply to PE].
When your ligaments are put under stress by incorrect stretching, they will gradually elongate. As the ligament elongates it becomes weaker and is unable to properly bind the bones of the joint that it is suppose to support.
If the ligament is continually put under stress by repetitive stretching beyond the ligaments tensile strength, it can become permanently elongated and can lead to chronic inflammation which may lead to arthritis.
Ligament healing times
Ligament injuries anywhere in the body are much more serious than muscle injuries. Muscles have a tremendous blood supply and heal very quickly. Even if the muscle injury does not completely heal, the only symptom that you would notice would be weakness in the muscle. With some exercise, even that symptom would resolve.
This is not the case with ligaments.
Ligament injuries are different because most of them do not totally heal Even if the pain resolves, the ligament will not be as strong as it was prior to the injury. Since ligaments stabilize the joints, by definition ligament injury produces a loose joint. If the ligament never heals, chronic joint looseness or instability results.
Injured ligaments do not entirely regenerate. Rather, they repair with scar tissue. Repair and regeneration begin at 48 hours to 72 hours post-injury, and continue maximally for six weeks.
Minor damage will heal within 7 to 10 days. More severe damage can take three weeks, and up to six weeks to be fully strong and completely back to normal.
What does this mean for us?
What this means is that with regards to the penis we're in a very good position to take advantage of the ligaments healing and growth potential.
They elongate from intense stretching, which to us is more growth.
Ligament healing and growth would commence 48 hours from the damage to the ligaments, I say damage but dont take as literal because the damage is good damage for us, a stress or stimulus could be used instead.
From those 48 hours it could take anywhere upto 3-6 weeks for the 'damage' to be healed and new growth to have occured fully.
What this tells me is that those who say you must stretch your penis everyday like 5 days on 2 off or 7 on and none off are actually missing the boat with this one as they ligs wont grow any quicker from all that work placed upon them, with the minimum healing cycle starting at 48 hours post workout.
It would make sense to have a full day off from an intense length workout before starting it again. I usually take 2 days off after an intense length session and than get back into it again and I'm noticing good progress already from doing this in longer flaccid and erection length.
Ligament soreness is still present in my penile region from 2 days ago now, as I type this ... so that is telling you something about recovery, healing and than the growth phase. Doing too much is bad and you will yield NOTHING in gains as the body can only cope with so much before it says ''Enough is enough'' and it works against you.
Knowing this information on our ligaments, which isnt my opinion but fact and well known in the sports world can help us much more on our path to longer dicks.
Guys who do or did stretching everyday and gained well, how could one explain them for that? They had above average recovery and healing abilities or the stress imposed on the area to the ligaments wasnt as intense to warrant the longer recovery phase otherwise they would not be able to do 7 on for years on end without a negative cycle kicking in at some point.
So think about it >
Quote:
Minor damage will heal within 7 to 10 days. More severe damage can take three weeks, and up to six weeks to be fully strong and completely back to normal.
Very intense stretching of the penile ligaments would not need to be done eachday as you can see, ligaments take awhile to recover back to normal so those who seem to think that you must rush and be quick to prevent the ligaments from becoming strong and harder to work, is wrong as it takes 3-6 weeks for them to fully recover! and you can have days off, it would benefit you to take days off and rest but dont think those days off are bad and that the ligaments will suddenly heal up and become stronger than before that quickly, because they wont. Its like a 3-6 week window of opportunity to make the most of, this is what I think anyway.
Lastly tendons
I will briefly touch upon tendons because they are often misunderstood in the world of pe.
Tendons are the most inelastic connective tissue in your body, and they attach your muscles to your bones.
All muscles have a tendon of origin, which is attached to the more stable bone and a tendon of insertion which is attached to the more moveable bone.
Tendons are stronger than both the muscle and the bone covering that it attaches to. Tendons can be torn or ruptured if loaded beyond their strength but since they are very strong, what usually happens is the muscle tissue or the bone covering tears before the tendon.
What all this really means is that tendons can not be stretched.
Hope this thread has helped you guys
So to give proper attribution, this is from
http://biggerpenis.mattersofsize.com/2009/05/what-you-should-know-about-your-penis.html
BY REDZULU
This is a brief thread regarding mostly ligaments but also tendons and is covering the whole range and not one area specific, so this can be used to boost our knowledge of the penile structures and how better to target it.
Firstly lets talk about ligaments.
The ligaments help to stabilize and reinforce your joints by connecting bone to bone. Your ligaments can take an enormous amount of force for a very brief time and if the force is not removed, the ligament will tear or rupture.
If a ligament is damaged it usually takes between eight to twelve weeks for it to regain its strength. During that time your joint must be protected and supported by either taping it or using a brace [Doesnt apply to PE].
When your ligaments are put under stress by incorrect stretching, they will gradually elongate. As the ligament elongates it becomes weaker and is unable to properly bind the bones of the joint that it is suppose to support.
If the ligament is continually put under stress by repetitive stretching beyond the ligaments tensile strength, it can become permanently elongated and can lead to chronic inflammation which may lead to arthritis.
Ligament healing times
Ligament injuries anywhere in the body are much more serious than muscle injuries. Muscles have a tremendous blood supply and heal very quickly. Even if the muscle injury does not completely heal, the only symptom that you would notice would be weakness in the muscle. With some exercise, even that symptom would resolve.
This is not the case with ligaments.
Ligament injuries are different because most of them do not totally heal Even if the pain resolves, the ligament will not be as strong as it was prior to the injury. Since ligaments stabilize the joints, by definition ligament injury produces a loose joint. If the ligament never heals, chronic joint looseness or instability results.
Injured ligaments do not entirely regenerate. Rather, they repair with scar tissue. Repair and regeneration begin at 48 hours to 72 hours post-injury, and continue maximally for six weeks.
Minor damage will heal within 7 to 10 days. More severe damage can take three weeks, and up to six weeks to be fully strong and completely back to normal.
What does this mean for us?
What this means is that with regards to the penis we're in a very good position to take advantage of the ligaments healing and growth potential.
They elongate from intense stretching, which to us is more growth.
Ligament healing and growth would commence 48 hours from the damage to the ligaments, I say damage but dont take as literal because the damage is good damage for us, a stress or stimulus could be used instead.
From those 48 hours it could take anywhere upto 3-6 weeks for the 'damage' to be healed and new growth to have occured fully.
What this tells me is that those who say you must stretch your penis everyday like 5 days on 2 off or 7 on and none off are actually missing the boat with this one as they ligs wont grow any quicker from all that work placed upon them, with the minimum healing cycle starting at 48 hours post workout.
It would make sense to have a full day off from an intense length workout before starting it again. I usually take 2 days off after an intense length session and than get back into it again and I'm noticing good progress already from doing this in longer flaccid and erection length.
Ligament soreness is still present in my penile region from 2 days ago now, as I type this ... so that is telling you something about recovery, healing and than the growth phase. Doing too much is bad and you will yield NOTHING in gains as the body can only cope with so much before it says ''Enough is enough'' and it works against you.
Knowing this information on our ligaments, which isnt my opinion but fact and well known in the sports world can help us much more on our path to longer dicks.
Guys who do or did stretching everyday and gained well, how could one explain them for that? They had above average recovery and healing abilities or the stress imposed on the area to the ligaments wasnt as intense to warrant the longer recovery phase otherwise they would not be able to do 7 on for years on end without a negative cycle kicking in at some point.
So think about it >
Quote:
Minor damage will heal within 7 to 10 days. More severe damage can take three weeks, and up to six weeks to be fully strong and completely back to normal.
Very intense stretching of the penile ligaments would not need to be done eachday as you can see, ligaments take awhile to recover back to normal so those who seem to think that you must rush and be quick to prevent the ligaments from becoming strong and harder to work, is wrong as it takes 3-6 weeks for them to fully recover! and you can have days off, it would benefit you to take days off and rest but dont think those days off are bad and that the ligaments will suddenly heal up and become stronger than before that quickly, because they wont. Its like a 3-6 week window of opportunity to make the most of, this is what I think anyway.
Lastly tendons
I will briefly touch upon tendons because they are often misunderstood in the world of pe.
Tendons are the most inelastic connective tissue in your body, and they attach your muscles to your bones.
All muscles have a tendon of origin, which is attached to the more stable bone and a tendon of insertion which is attached to the more moveable bone.
Tendons are stronger than both the muscle and the bone covering that it attaches to. Tendons can be torn or ruptured if loaded beyond their strength but since they are very strong, what usually happens is the muscle tissue or the bone covering tears before the tendon.
What all this really means is that tendons can not be stretched.
Hope this thread has helped you guys
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Thank you for this great thread! My limiting factor is the tunica but I have a concern.. I'm doing penis exercises to fix my downward bend and what I know is that fixing this bend requires girth exercises. I don't want to increase length as much as I want to increase girth and fix the bend. Any suggestions?
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As a beginner, your focus should be on conditioning, you do not have a limiting factor yet, and girth exercises are not for beginners, take it slow and focus on safety.
Jelqing against the curve helps, but keep that too for after you have conditioned your penis.
Just wanted to stop by and say thanks for the great thread/theory. Really helps me put PE into perspective.
Clearly the route map to your ideal penis is:
0) Condition your penis (as MrB8 says)
1) determine your current, starting limiting factor
2) Determine your size goals
3) work in cycles of boosting one factor, then boosting the other
- so if you are rock hard, focus on length until you notice EQ slipping. Then focus on EQ until you are once again rock hard. Then focus on length again... rinse and repeat.
4) When you have achieved the EL you set in step (2), focus on Smooth Muscle development for EQ
5) Voila - the size you wanted with the EQ to make use of it!
I'm glad I found this theory - otherwise I may have just focussed on length alone and not known what to do if my EQ dropped (...or is that "drooped")
Before, I was wondering how PE worked on a biological level, and was trying to make sense of the results people had seen in relation to certain exercises done. I feel this theory provides a good framework to help us all. Thanks again, and *bump* so someone else may find/make use of this!
Clearly the route map to your ideal penis is:
0) Condition your penis (as MrB8 says)
1) determine your current, starting limiting factor
2) Determine your size goals
3) work in cycles of boosting one factor, then boosting the other
- so if you are rock hard, focus on length until you notice EQ slipping. Then focus on EQ until you are once again rock hard. Then focus on length again... rinse and repeat.
4) When you have achieved the EL you set in step (2), focus on Smooth Muscle development for EQ
5) Voila - the size you wanted with the EQ to make use of it!
I'm glad I found this theory - otherwise I may have just focussed on length alone and not known what to do if my EQ dropped (...or is that "drooped")
Before, I was wondering how PE worked on a biological level, and was trying to make sense of the results people had seen in relation to certain exercises done. I feel this theory provides a good framework to help us all. Thanks again, and *bump* so someone else may find/make use of this!
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So, if you have a +1.0 BPFSL- or really anything above +.5; then you are more likely to make length gains. So what is the ceiling for someone with a BPFSL greater than say +1.0? On the flipside, if you are <0.5; then what are your realistic expectations for girth gains?
Well, I'm very happy to have found this topic.
I started PE'ing at 17 years old or so (over a decade ago) and although I got some great length gains (around 1.5" BPEL), I never focused on girth (I was happy with my 5"), and I also experienced a decrease in EQ that has remained with me until now.
I've tried a lot of things to improve my EQ, from supplements, to kegels, to cardio, to ramping up my nitric oxide levels, to fully giving up porn... none of it has ever allowed me to consistently hit 100% erections (I can only hit 100% while kegeling). I usually peak at about 90-95% no matter how aroused I am. Lately I've been doing towel raises to work out my IC muscle, and while it has improved my ability to maintain an erection while standing up (I couldn't before), my EQ still remains short of 100%.
So I measured my BPEL and BPFSL as the TCG theory suggests, and what do you know... about 0.75" difference (BPFSL is longer).
In hindsight, I probably stretched my tunica and ligs decently as my routine was literally wet jelqing and manual stretching, not a single girth exercise. However, by totally neglecting girth work, my smooth muscle is a bit behind and this results in the inability to get those rock hard erections.
I'll start some girth work straight away, and hopefully that will fix this EQ problem once and for all.
I started PE'ing at 17 years old or so (over a decade ago) and although I got some great length gains (around 1.5" BPEL), I never focused on girth (I was happy with my 5"), and I also experienced a decrease in EQ that has remained with me until now.
I've tried a lot of things to improve my EQ, from supplements, to kegels, to cardio, to ramping up my nitric oxide levels, to fully giving up porn... none of it has ever allowed me to consistently hit 100% erections (I can only hit 100% while kegeling). I usually peak at about 90-95% no matter how aroused I am. Lately I've been doing towel raises to work out my IC muscle, and while it has improved my ability to maintain an erection while standing up (I couldn't before), my EQ still remains short of 100%.
So I measured my BPEL and BPFSL as the TCG theory suggests, and what do you know... about 0.75" difference (BPFSL is longer).
In hindsight, I probably stretched my tunica and ligs decently as my routine was literally wet jelqing and manual stretching, not a single girth exercise. However, by totally neglecting girth work, my smooth muscle is a bit behind and this results in the inability to get those rock hard erections.
I'll start some girth work straight away, and hopefully that will fix this EQ problem once and for all.
SW_CO, great post.
So then shouldn't we be stretching only once per week, and doing girth related exercises the rest of the time?
I like this idea because it means I'll spend less time doing PE and more time gaining
So then shouldn't we be stretching only once per week, and doing girth related exercises the rest of the time?
I like this idea because it means I'll spend less time doing PE and more time gaining
Would pumping be considered an exercise for smooth muscle? I get a wicked stretch while pumping...
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Two questions regarding this theory:
1) How does the TGC theory support the flaccid growth?
2) What's the explanation about the guys that do only stretching work and still can keep the EQ? (like Stan, which does only stretching and kegeling, and Roc, which said that does only stretching?)
1) How does the TGC theory support the flaccid growth?
2) What's the explanation about the guys that do only stretching work and still can keep the EQ? (like Stan, which does only stretching and kegeling, and Roc, which said that does only stretching?)
It's funny...A few days ago I measured my stretched flaccid length to see how it compared to erect and I was then curious to see the correlation (I mistakenly thought that one's erect potential was flaccid stretched length at a good state, but I see it is not that simple). I came across this thread and was actually wondering if this practice is still utilized?
I see it is, but when I was active a few years ago, I don't remember people talking about it as much. I always felt that for myself, jelqing combined with stretches and kegals (I actually do a variation of all 3 in one rep) was enough, but that has just show minimal result. Perhaps I have to look more into this theory and cater my workout accordingly.
Thanks
I see it is, but when I was active a few years ago, I don't remember people talking about it as much. I always felt that for myself, jelqing combined with stretches and kegals (I actually do a variation of all 3 in one rep) was enough, but that has just show minimal result. Perhaps I have to look more into this theory and cater my workout accordingly.
Thanks
Hi guys !
I was looking a little on the internet and it says everywhere that the penis can not be naturally increased.. I don't know what to believe, but i will stick to the JP90 routine and be persistent
I was looking a little on the internet and it says everywhere that the penis can not be naturally increased.. I don't know what to believe, but i will stick to the JP90 routine and be persistent
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The internet says a lot of things though!
Hi guys !
I was looking a little on the internet and it says everywhere that the penis can not be naturally increased.. I don't know what to believe, but i will stick to the JP90 routine and be persistent
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Hi guys !
I was looking a little on the internet and it says everywhere that the penis can not be naturally increased.. I don't know what to believe, but i will stick to the JP90 routine and be persistent
Yes this is true. Naturally means by nature.
Nature will only give you so much through puberty.
Now if you wish to increase the size of your penis manually, that's a different story.
Give my routine a try, and good luck.
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Hi guys !
I was looking a little on the internet and it says everywhere that the penis can not be naturally increased.. I don't know what to believe, but i will stick to the JP90 routine and be persistent
Well all I have to do is look in my pants to see that the internet is wrong. We are real people with real results. We have nothing to gain by being untruthful. The only way you are going to find out is to stick with it and you will see for yourself over time.
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