e.d trouble (maybe venous leak)

[giantsrule]

is there anything i can do or should i accept that im never going to live a normal life with a girl? daily cialis is expenisve 32 bucks for 8 pills and after a couple days of using it im pretty sure it stopped working

 

[biff7686]

is there anything i can do or should i accept that im never going to live a normal life with a girl? daily cialis is expenisve 32 bucks for 8 pills and after a couple days of using it im pretty sure it stopped working

You first need to see a urologist that will actually perform a test to diagnose you. Tell any urologist that says it's in your head to prove it by giving you an ultrasound or a nocturnal penile tumescence test. You need to have tests done because at least then if there is a problem there could be a solution to fix the issue.

 

[EQr]

To Giantsrule.

DO NOT accept as fact that you will not live a normal life with a girl! We are remarkably similar, about the same age (23) and the same height (6'4"), and have this same problem. I've too have often thought my problems are from penis exercises that I did WAY too hard and without warmup when I was 15, but honestly what caused it doesn't matter if you can fix it, and you can. I've felt the hopelessness that you are going through, but I'm telling you hopelessness is a recipe for prolonged depression. You have to keep trying different things and have faith that you'll find the solution. You will.

I did some research on exercises for ED and a few articles gave me a lot of hope. I'm posting them below so that you will read them and get the same sense of hope and motivation they gave me. There is very good data to support the effectiveness of kegels for ED. Have you tried regularly exercising your pelvic floor muscles for at least 3 months?

1. Randomised controlled trial of pelvic floor muscle exercises and manometric biofeedback for erectile dysfunction
Randomised controlled trial of pelvic floor muscle exercises and manometric biofeedback for erectile dysfunction
In this study, subjects with ED did kegels daily for 3-6 months. 40% attained normal erectile function and 35% had improved erections.
This study is useful in that it also tells what kind of exercises they did. The references are also good.

2. Treatment of Erectile Dysfunction by Perineal Exercise, Electromyographic Biofeedback, and Electrical Stimulation
Treatment of Erectile Dysfunction by Perineal Exercise, Electromyographic Biofeedback, and Electrical Stimulation
After a 4 month kegel program (with electrical stim as well), 47% regained a normal erection and 24% improved. What really perked me up (!) was how successful the kegels were for patients with veno-occlusive dysfunction (what I think I have). 75% of this group regained normal erections!

3. Pelvic floor exercise versus surgery in the treatment of impotence.
Pelvic floor exercise versus surgery in the treatm... [Br J Urol. 1993] - PubMed result
This study was of ED patients with PROVEN VENOUS LEAKAGE and found that a kegel program was superior to venous surgery.

I'm doing a light version of JP's 90 day routine (every other day), but my main focus is kegels. I just started a week ago with the following pelvic floor workout. (which is pretty much what patients in the first study used, where 75% were cured or improved).

Standing: 3 maximal contractions for 20 seconds each. 20 seconds rest between contractions. Do morning, afternoon, and evening.
Sitting: 3 maximal contractions for 20 seconds each. 20 seconds rest between contractions. Do morning, afternoon, and evening.
Lying on back: (feet on floor) 3 maximal contractions for 20 seconds each. 20 seconds rest between contractions. Do morning, afternoon, and evening.
While walking: try to life your pelvic floor up and hold at 50% while walking.
After urinating: Tighten your pelvic floor muscles strongly after urinating.

I'm only one week in on these. Adjust the time per contraction as necessary (anywhere from 5-60 seconds, depending how strong you are). I'm a pretty strong guy but doing all these suckers for 20 seconds is still challenging. Don't be surprised if your EQ goes down at first, mine did because I started doing these every day. I'm doing them every other now to get better rest/recovery time. I will be doing these for six months at least, and will let you know how my EQ is after each month.

 

[Mr McPenis]

Hi Giantsrule, I am sorry to hear of your situation. Does your doctor know the cialis isn't working well? There is no point in keeping buying those pills imo.
I would definitely recommend kegels, you should be doing a good routine and not over-training them though.
Anyway, you should exhaust your options. Obviously this is a massive issue to you, therefore you must definitely find a doctor/urologist that can help you identify the cause of the problem, which may involve ultrasound or blood tests. But if you know what exactly what is wrong with you it will be far easier to treat, and there are far more options than simply taking cialis, or any other oral medicine, such as viagra, which is also expensive.
EQr gives good advice though you must do a decent kegel routine.

 

[Big Al]

Looking at the latest comments here, please refer to this post for answers to "What should I do?" type questions regarding injuries.

If you "suspect" something without actually confirming it then you could be wasting your time [or worse- you may make things worse] trying to find one type of solution for something that requires a totally different approach.

 

[UKGuy]

The thing is with kegels though is they are essentially a crutch for ED related issues (Venous Leak symptoms)it doesn't really solve the root cause of the problem. I have said previously though kegels did get my dick harder when I praticed them I got aroused much quicker but I still found my erection would soon start to go down without direct stimulation to my penis, but it just happened more slowly (due to the increased blood flow I guess). Some may call me lazy but kegels are pretty repetitive even slightly over doing the exercises can weaken erections more (for those with ED) I find not doing kegels for a few days even less results in being back to be to my normal weaker erection.

I am thinking of seeing the doctor again and try to get him to take me seriously enough to at least get some proper tests done. To be frank the main reason for wanting to sort out my ED is because I still haven't had sex. I know it's pathetic I'm 26 years old too I know I had a problem when I was 21 I tried to lose my virginity to a prositute abroad and I failed to get it up. At least a do I have real reason for remaining a virgin normal sex isn't possible. I think the veins are totally screwed or something because it's basically like my penis can't manage to hold blood in when I get an erection. Like giantsrule I think after 5 or 6 years this is permamant organic damage. However I do want to get to some tests done, physical tests done for peace of mind and to know I am crazy or this ED is "only in my head" etc seriouslyI am used to being impotent I got over the depression side of things a while ago.

 

[EQr]

The thing is with kegels though is they are essentially a crutch for ED related issues (Venous Leak symptoms)it doesn't really solve the root cause of the problem. I have said previously though kegels did get my dick harder when I praticed them I got aroused much quicker but I still found my erection would soon start to go down without direct stimulation to my penis, but it just happened more slowly (due to the increased blood flow I guess). Some may call me lazy but kegels are pretty repetitive even slightly over doing the exercises can weaken erections more (for those with ED) I find not doing kegels for a few days even less results in being back to be to my normal weaker erection.

I am thinking of seeing the doctor again and try to get him to take me seriously enough to at least get some proper tests done. To be frank the main reason for wanting to sort out my ED is because I still haven't had sex. I know it's pathetic I'm 26 years old too I know I had a problem when I was 21 I tried to lose my virginity to a prositute abroad and I failed to get it up. At least a do I have real reason for remaining a virgin normal sex isn't possible. I think the veins are totally screwed or something because it's basically like my penis can't manage to hold blood in when I get an erection. Like giantsrule I think after 5 or 6 years this is permamant organic damage. However I do want to get to some tests done, physical tests done for peace of mind and to know I am crazy or this ED is "only in my head" etc seriouslyI am used to being impotent I got over the depression side of things a while ago.

How many weeks did you practice did you do kegels for? Call them a cure, a crutch, or Jane Fonda workout for preggo women--don't care what they're called if they work, and I'm already seeing improvement after 1.5 weeks.

If you want to get tests done, by all means go for it. Especially since you're not sure if your ED is psychological or organic. But even if they say you've got a venous leak don't write off the kegels. Pelvic floor exercise versus surgery in the treatm... [Br J Urol. 1993] - PubMed result These guys studied ED patients with PROVEN venous leakage and found that kegels were more effective than surgery. And they worked on people who on average had ED for YEARS, so don't think just because you've had it for 5/6 years its permanent. I think kegels work by directly addressing your problem: "my penis can't manage to hold blood in when I get an erection." The veins of the penis are generally located more towards the outside than the arteries. As the PF muscles grow and tone, they put more pressure on the veins than the arteries, and so blood outflow is reduced while inflow remains constant (same mechanism of a cockring).

Yeah kegels can be a bit repetitive. But the question is are they worth it to you? I know my answer. If I can get solid erections back I don't care if I have to do kegels every day for the rest of my life.

 

[UKGuy]

How many weeks did you practice did you do kegels for? Call them a cure, a crutch, or Jane Fonda workout for preggo women--don't care what they're called if they work, and I'm already seeing improvement after 1.5 weeks.

If you want to get tests done, by all means go for it. Especially since you're not sure if your ED is psychological or organic. But even if they say you've got a venous leak don't write off the kegels. Pelvic floor exercise versus surgery in the treatm... [Br J Urol. 1993] - PubMed result These guys studied ED patients with PROVEN venous leakage and found that kegels were more effective than surgery. And they worked on people who on average had ED for YEARS, so don't think just because you've had it for 5/6 years its permanent. I think kegels work by directly addressing your problem: "my penis can't manage to hold blood in when I get an erection." The veins of the penis are generally located more towards the outside than the arteries. As the PF muscles grow and tone, they put more pressure on the veins than the arteries, and so blood outflow is reduced while inflow remains constant (same mechanism of a cockring).

Yeah kegels can be a bit repetitive. But the question is are they worth it to you? I know my answer. If I can get solid erections back I don't care if I have to do kegels every day for the rest of my life.

Maybe you're right. I have done kegels before for just over a month or so I did notice stiffer erections. I got to a point where I was getting erections like steel but I still found I would slowly start to loose my erection without near constant physical stimulation. The head (glands) is one of the main issues in that the shaft usually gets quite hard, normal hardness but the glands are softer and deflate quickly. The glands rarely achieve much hardness and don't expand fully when erect. Anyway I have been doing some kegels and after only a few days I have better erections (I guess because my PC muscle is used to the exercises?) but getting my dick to stay hard without constant physical stimulation is difficult. I will try and give the kegels more time though a few months. I'm still quite puzzled as to what the problem of my penis is there is no doubt kegels give me better, harder erections compared to the normal erection quality I get but I still have a lot of trouble holding an erection and staying hard even when I have been doing kegels.

 

[Big Al]

Also in this thread (and others) is information on "Butcher's Broom", which has been shown to be effective at treating venous issues.

 

[darrenneedstolearn]

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Hay buddie im going through the same, its mad that im not big my self thats why i started and i do anything just to have it back as he was, before i did p e i did use a pump and it is realy for people who can not get a hard on so it,s not the end of the world as many people do use pumps to get it hard, i saw a programme where this man about 50 went doctors as he just couldn t get it hard, the doctor said get a pump, he only used it 3 times and the hard ons be growing there self but its ment to be used before sex as that is when it is pumped.
Anyway like you i cant leave it alone its only been two weeks and now i know i have to do some reseach on the name you gave for it.
Again i saw a film based on atrue story where a womans little girl had some problom and was dieing and no doctors new fuck all, bassed in the 80s i think saw it long ago but the mum couldnt let her girl die with out doing some thing, in the end of endless reseach she was the one who discoverd the problom.

Ok i am a fix it your self man to and im not letting this go untill ive tried every thing, you should go a to a diffrent doctor, i always hear storys of this where people go to a doctor get told this and go some where else and hay there is away.
im going to try a pump to open up al vains and tubes in the penis and try geting it used to working with al tubes open, exsirsize it back, like when you break some thing you keep training it and get gets better

 

[Big Al]

is there anything i can do or should i accept that im never going to live a normal life with a girl? daily cialis is expenisve 32 bucks for 8 pills and after a couple days of using it im pretty sure it stopped working

For someone with your level of despair, I'd recommend that you get a thorough exam to alleviate your doubts, then at least you'll know exactly what's wrong. DO NOT take no for an answer from a doc. You're paying for treatment, so you should get the treatment that you deserve. I wouldn't be surprised if you got a cavernosogram and found that nothing is wrong with you physically. You can have the healthiest penis in the world, but it's going to give you problems if you have confidence issues.

You've said it yourself- you need to work on your self esteem! In my experience with training men, a lack of confidence is the #1 reported reason why guys have erectile issues. It's a vicious cycle in that each negative experience only seems to further reinforce your fears.

Aside from us giving you plenty of advice, this is something you're going to have to do some introspection on if you hope to resolve it. Until you can fully face your fears and recognize them for what they are- illusions- you'll be stuck in that cycle. In the meanwhile, you should do your best to try and heal your mind by staying away from negative influences and from scouring the forums for possible maladies that you "may" be suffering from. It's similar to a first year medical student reading up on debilitating diseases and starts thinking that he suffers from one (or more) of them simply because the symptoms of one of these diseases resembles something that they may be going through.

 

[flex]

Also in this thread (and others) is information on "Butcher's Broom", which has been shown to be effective at treating venous issues.

There has been some indication that it has helped with symptoms of "venous insufficiency," i.e. the type people have in their leg veins with varicose veins. But I'm not sure, and tend to doubt that type of "insufficiency" has anything to do with what is being discussed in this thread. And I can not find a single reference with regard to butcher's broom being used for that purpose.

 

[Big Al]

There has been some indication that it has helped with symptoms of "venous insufficiency," i.e. the type people have in their leg veins with varicose veins. But I'm not sure, and tend to doubt that type of "insufficiency" has anything to do with what is being discussed in this thread. And I can not find a single reference with regard to butcher's broom being used for that purpose.

It's important to note that chronic venous disease usually starts in the legs but isn't necessarily confined to them. Outside of the legs/groin it usually manifests itself in ulceration.

The penis' vascular structures contains valves much like those found in deep leg veins. These valve failures are what causes "insufficiencies", and the term "venous leak" is also commonly applied to leg veins. Note that the following references seem to show correlations between BB and increased venous functioning:

Changes on venous diameter and leg perimeter with different clinical treatments for moderate chronic venous disease: evaluation using Duplex scanning and perimeter measurements.

Assessment of quality of life in Mexican patients suffering from chronic venous disorder - impact of oral Ruscus aculeatus-hesperidin-methyl-chalcone-ascorbic acid treatment - 'QUALITY Study'.

Possible vascular healing: Possible mechanism of the anti-inflammatory activi... [J Pharmacol Sci. 2008] - PubMed result

Another promising herb is the Horse Chestnut: Life-threatening Rupture of a Renal Angiomyolipoma in a Patient Taking Over-the-counter Horse Chestnut Seed Extract.

In my opinion, the cost of these herbs and the supporting information above would at least be enough to give the herbs a try (pending your doc's approval).

 

[giantsrule]

i never said i had any problems with self esteem im fine except for being 24 and having e.d. ive got a gf right now but im puttinh off sex. im running low on excuses and im not sure how much longer i can keep her off of my body hahaha

 

[Big Al]

i never said i had any problems with self esteem im fine except for being 24 and having e.d. ive got a gf right now but im puttinh off sex. im running low on excuses and im not sure how much longer i can keep her off of my body hahaha

Maybe not in those exact words but that's the way your posts come across (to me, anyway).

Modern men today are bombarded with messages that we must be sexual gods, but the truth is that neither you nor your GF "need" to be exceptional. So many men seem to have lost focus on what sex is supposed to be about. All you can do is your best, and in the case of sex, even worrying about performance can help to kill an erection almost every time.

This is just my opinion, but even if you have ED you wouldn't need to put off all sexual activity. Perhaps taking the focus off of having to have an erection and shifting it back to just having a pleasurable experience with someone you care about may allow nature to kick in. Something else to consider- depriving your GF of intimacy may very well give her the wrong impression of what you think of her (among other negative possibilities). It might help to take the pressure off if you told your GF that you want to ease into things.

 

[UKGuy]

I don't know how much longer can I cope with having erectile dysfunction. It's something that is on my mind a lot but I know it's still a problem and I feel a bit inferrior because of it it's one of the main reasons I don't even try and ask women due to my impotence problem. I mean think about it right now what is the point when I know when it would come down to sex I can't perform properly if at all. I am going back to my doctor and I'm going to be a bit more aggressive and try and make sure he let's me see a uroligist. I need to know what is causing my lack of ability to maintain an erection (I suspect Venous Leakage I really can't see after all these years what else it could be) but having physical tests done would at least give me some piece of mind. Okay I messed up it's been 6 years now since my suspected injury happened. I could have long term erectile tissue or vein damage but I don't care if I might have to rely on a cock ring to have sex normally (I do kind of want to experience sex before I die and I am a virgin) or even a pill to help me becasue there it's likely no way in hell I will ever get an penile implant and I hope it will never get to that stage.

 

[giantsrule]

i give up my dicks broken and there is nothing i can do about it. its small anyways.i tried ignoring it and i just sucked it up and worked out at the gym non stop to try and make myself feel better but nomatter what i do ill always be a 24 yo that has a broken dick that was small and never worked well anyways i was always a premature ejaculator.im going nowhere in life and thats because honestly i have no reason to give a fliying fuck. i give up i think im just gonna kill myself and try and make it look like an accident. life wont be worth it to me. all i hear is guys talk about fucking there gfs or even how bad they want to fuck a girl. i couldnt even do it if i wanted to. i just dont want to live anymore and i dont have any regrets. i guess i just wanted to let this out before i do it. i dont know if it was doing the stupid pe exercises for a couple days or if god just wanted me to be miserable if there even is one but i give up. hope everyone has a better life than i did. im not even depressed im just done. hope you guys enjoy what you have. not everyone is so lucky. ill miss my family but they have there own lives and im not gonna stick around to see them from time to time. its not worth being this misserable. its hard to be truly self confident if youre 24 and cant even be with a girl because your not even a real man big al.

 

[Samurai]

Modern men today are bombarded with messages that we must be sexual gods, but the truth is that neither you nor your GF "need" to be exceptional. So many men seem to have lost focus on what sex is supposed to be about. All you can do is your best, and in the case of sex, even worrying about performance can help to kill an erection almost every time.

This is a great point on so many levels, Big Al. Guys want to be the best in bed so much these days that a plain ol' vanilla f**k just isn't good enough anymore. We must make her cum multiple times, squirt, and have an epileptic fit through mind blowing orgasms. Sex has become all about the performance now. I think if women really knew what was going on in a lot of men's minds they themselves would have performance anxiety too. How the hell are they supposed to live up to these high expectations. No wonder so many women are faking orgasms. The male ego is getting more and more fragile. When I was younger, I remember finding a copy of "The Joy of Sex" belonging to my father. This is probably where he learned his tricks on how to be better in bed. That's all! A basic book with drawings of an average man and woman in different sexual positions. Now with help of the internet, I can find '101 ways to make her scream for more' with the click of a button and lets not start on the negative influences of porn. Guys are Sexual know-alls before they've even seen a naked girl for real. The naivety of sex has been lost in this generation and this is why we have so many guys with psychological problems towards such a natural act.

 

[kenlee6]

i give up my dicks broken and there is nothing i can do about it. its small anyways.i tried ignoring it and i just sucked it up and worked out at the gym non stop to try and make myself feel better but nomatter what i do ill always be a 24 yo that has a broken dick that was small and never worked well anyways i was always a premature ejaculator.im going nowhere in life and thats because honestly i have no reason to give a fliying fuck. i give up i think im just gonna kill myself and try and make it look like an accident. life wont be worth it to me. all i hear is guys talk about fucking there gfs or even how bad they want to fuck a girl. i couldnt even do it if i wanted to. i just dont want to live anymore and i dont have any regrets. i guess i just wanted to let this out before i do it. i dont know if it was doing the stupid pe exercises for a couple days or if god just wanted me to be miserable if there even is one but i give up. hope everyone has a better life than i did. im not even depressed im just done. hope you guys enjoy what you have. not everyone is so lucky. ill miss my family but they have there own lives and im not gonna stick around to see them from time to time. its not worth being this misserable. its hard to be truly self confident if youre 24 and cant even be with a girl because your not even a real man big al.

Dont give up dude. There's a lot more things in life than just sex. There's stories of success here. Dont despair. The more negative u think the more u wont heal and vice versa. Do u know that in cancer patients, there are cases that those very optimistic their cancer cells disappear completely and docstors wonder how it happened. Pur body is a healing machine. It's a fact that many ppl dont realise.

 

[not2big]

I am a senior with diabetes so my ED problems may not be relevant to you younger guys. In addition to reduced circulation due to age and diabetes, I also have low T. I have been battling ED for over 15 years. I have used Viagra, supplements, TRT, and pumping. You name it and I've probably tried it. The above practices help and can sometimes generate a 9 EQ erection, but I can not maintain it for more than 5 minutes. The only thing that allows me to have a satisfactory erection capable of sustained penetration is a constriction band around my unit. Here, again, I have tried all kinds of cock rings and constriction devices; however, the most effective constriction which produces the hardest erection is a doubled over 1/2 inch rubber band (bag of 50 for $2.95).

Because of my other ED issues, I need to take a Viagra (I also have good success with an otc suppliment - Maxidus) to get it up and then apply the doubled over rubber band (stretched out a number of times before first use so it's not too tight) around my whole, well lubed unit (behind my balls). It maintains a 9+ erection, slightly engorged (even fatter if I pump first) which I can use for up to 30 minutes before I need to release the band to refresh the blood supply. If I want, I can reapply the band and go for another 30 minutes.

I mentioned to my Urologist that I suspected a venous leak; however, he stated that he could do a doppler ultrasound to confirm the leak, but If I did have a venous leak, the basic procedure I was using would be an appropriate procedure to overcome the effects of a venous leak (short of experimental drugs currently being studied).

I have now resigned myself to the fact that I will never be able to achieve a spontaneous erection, but I can live with a 9+ erection with a bit of pre preparation not to mention that I can enjoy some great oral while I wait for my preparations to take effect.

If you young guys can get it up without Viagra, you may want to try constriction to keep it up.