Mighty Banana

[FatePE]

Any BPEL gains? Or just flaccid so far? I'd also be curious about the noose setup if you could provide a link to what I'd need to buy. About to order a Slider myself in the next few days

 

[Alex1988]

Any BPEL gains? Or just flaccid so far? I'd also be curious about the noose setup if you could provide a link to what I'd need to buy. About to order a Slider myself in the next few days

I've only measured flaccit. The noose is from a x4labs extender and the glans protection is a piece of cloth from a thick tshirt. I'll pm you a link to the best Slider model.

 

[coco7686]

Thank you so much

 

[Alex1988]

Week 26 (4h)

13. = restday
14. = 2 + hanging 90 min 7.5 lb/3.4 kg + jelqing/sqeezing 30 min
15. = 1 + hanging 30 min 7.5 lb/3.4 kg
16. = restday
17. = restday
18. = clamping 15 min
19. = 1 + hanging 30 min 7.5 lb/3.4 kg

 

[Mike551673]

Hey Alex congrats on your success man. I have a question regarding Max flaccid length and how it relates to extending. I know you’ve said that extending 3-4 hours while stretching to the max flaccid length is the way to go in order to grow (unless I’m mistaken) but how do you measure your max flaccid length & how do you know when it’s time to add more intensity to the extender to keep growing?

And is the 3-4 hour method all the way it can be stretched optimal for gains compared to 7+ hours let’s say using the Phallosan at a lesser intensity? I’m a beginner and want to know what exactly works with extending and how Max flaccid length plays a role in gains. thank you so much and sorry for the paragraph

 

[Alex1988]

Hey Mike,

I'm happy to answer your first post/question on these forums. :wave:

Hey Alex congrats on your success man.

Thank you! :high5:

I know you’ve said that extending 3-4 hours while stretching to the max flaccid length is the way to go in order to grow (unless I’m mistaken) but how do you measure your max flaccid length...

I measure flaccid length/bpfsl by holding my banana with a tight grip under the glans, pull as far as it goes straight forward and then stick the ruler into the skin until it reaches the pubic bone. Like this but without erection. https://pegym.com/forums/filedata/fetch?photoid=3242893

& how do you know when it’s time to add more intensity to the extender to keep growing?

I’m a beginner and want to know what exactly works with extending and how Max flaccid length plays a role in gains. thank you so much and sorry for the paragraph

This is why the bpfsl is the most important number for pe, at least in my opinion, if length is the goal. When I'm strapped into my extender I can use the ruler to determine where I'm at. The rods of the Leluv Slider are also a great orientation point. When I reach my bpfsl while extending there is a strong pull on the internals of the banana. The stretched tissue feels hard. That's as far as you need to go if you want to be 100% sure to grow. It can be painful at 60 mins per set so going a bit under the bpfsl is okay for growth but it always needs to be longer than the erect length. Sometimes after 30 mins into extending if I feel like it, I turn up the rods a little bit higher. I like testing my limits.

And is the 3-4 hour method all the way it can be stretched optimal for gains compared to 7+ hours let’s say using the Phallosan at a lesser intensity?

I've seen a ton of guys on multiple pe sites with the mindset that only an insane amount of hours inside the extender/Phallosan equals gains. Sadly, I've been in the same club and have over 3000 hours of Phallosan Forte behind me and I learned the hard way. The hard reality is, that it doesn't matter if one wears Phallosan for a million hours. If the stretch is too weak gains will never happen. Tension and time need to be balanced out. There are many guys out there that "gained" with phallosan but that in most cases have been beginner gains and after those are gone the device is useless. Even sleeping with the device connected to a leg doesn't do it. When guys hit the gym for the first time there's always that well known beginners spark, pe has the same phenomenon.

Try to make the most out of every hour of your pe training. Don't just "attach" the device and think gains will happen.

 

[Mike551673]

Thank you so much for answering my questions Alex. I appreciate you and everyone here always willing to help new members.

I also have another question. When it comes to jelquing and extending, do you recommend doing both? I plan on starting with the JP90 then moving on to an extender and seeing your logs have helped clear up a lot but when it comes time to add an extender is jelquing okay to do with it?

also when it comes to pumping let’s say with the bath mate, I’ve heard that girth gains can affect length gains. How true is it and can extending & Pumping be used with each other?

One more question As Bpfsl increases the thought process is that it’ll eventually turn into bpel gains correct? That’s how I can measure my progress?

 

[Alex1988]

When it comes to jelquing and extending, do you recommend doing both? I plan on starting with the JP90 then moving on to an extender and seeing your logs have helped clear up a lot but when it comes time to add an extender is jelquing okay to do with it?

Yes sure you can extend and jelq. Jelqing restores bloodflow.

also when it comes to pumping let’s say with the bath mate, I’ve heard that girth gains can affect length gains. How true is it and can extending & Pumping be used with each other?

The gains I got from Bathmate were pretty much even in terms of girth and length. Extending and pumping have great synergy. A pumped up glans helps a ton while extending. Pumping and heat relax the tissue and a longer stretch can be achieved.

As Bpfsl increases the thought process is that it’ll eventually turn into bpel gains correct? That’s how I can measure my progress?

Measure bpel and bpfsl seperatly. First bpfsl will increase and then erect length follows slowy behind.

 

[Mike551673]

Thank you man, I will take a note of this. Appreciate the tips

 

[Alex1988]

Always happy to help.

 

[bardok202]

Congrats on your gains! Do you have any experience with the spring loaded extenders? I used a slider for a few months and saw no gains, which is why I switched. I wonder if I just wasn’t stretching far enough.

 

[Alex1988]

Congrats on your gains! Do you have any experience with the spring loaded extenders? I used a slider for a few months and saw no gains, which is why I switched. I wonder if I just wasn’t stretching far enough.

Hey bardok202,

Thank you! I've got a x4labs spring extender but don't use it anymore because the base is just too small. You could be right about not stretching far enough. The breakthrough for me was the bathmate extender combo.

 

[Alex1988]

Week 27 (8h)

20. = 2 + hanging 90 min 7.5 lb/3.4 kg + clamping 15 min
21. = bathmate 15 min
22. = jelqing/sqeezing 30 min
23. = restday
24. = 2 + hanging 60 min 7.5 lb/3.4 kg + bathmate 15 min
25. = 2 + hanging 60 min 7.5 lb/3.4 kg
26. = 2 + hanging 90 min 7.5 lb/3.4 kg + bathmate 15 min + clamping 20 min

This week was very productive. I may have gone a bit hard this time, so I'll start the next week with some restdays. :evil:

 

[GR82B8]

This is why the bpfsl is the most important number for pe, at least in my opinion, if length is the goal. When I'm strapped into my extender I can use the ruler to determine where I'm at. The rods of the Leluv Slider are also a great orientation point. When I reach my bpfsl while extending there is a strong pull on the internals of the banana. The stretched tissue feels hard. That's as far as you need to go if you want to be 100% sure to grow. It can be painful at 60 mins per set so going a bit under the bpfsl is okay for growth but it always needs to be longer than the erect length. Sometimes after 30 mins into extending if I feel like it, I turn up the rods a little bit higher. I like testing my limits.

Excellent write up. I’m following your same routine but using a Leluv air pump for 30min (2x15min @ 5hg) which I pack & pump for length.

After being strapped in to the extender do you do a bp or nbp measurement when adjusting the extender to wear? Also I’m using the X4Labs extender so would the same bpfsl rule apply or would I need to just focus more on the tension? I believe I ordered the 4200g version but not sure how much actual true tension is at each line on the bars (in theory each line should be ~1400g) as I’ve read most extender manufactures spring ratings aren’t accurate. I always stay under the 1st line as I don’t want to make the mistake of over-extending. I also have a Leluv slider but trying the X4Labs as of now for ease of use. Thanks for the great info.

 

[bardok202]

Hey bardok202,

Thank you! I've got a x4labs spring extender but don't use it anymore because the base is just too small. You could be right about not stretching far enough. The breakthrough for me was the bathmate extender combo.

Thanks for your response, I actually had another question. I saw another user, I think it’s Teodeles, that recommends only stretching comfortable flaccid length. I’m not sure what your protocol is, but what I’ve been doing is stretching at max spring compression about .5 inches past my bpel. I’m sitting at about .75 inches gained so far. Is that similar to what you do? Are you also stretching past your bpel or are you following teo’s protocol? It just seems like a light stretch for the flaccid length wouldn’t do much.

 

[Alex1988]

Excellent write up. I’m following your same routine but using a Leluv air pump for 30min (2x15min @ 5hg) which I pack & pump for length.

After being strapped in to the extender do you do a bp or nbp measurement when adjusting the extender to wear? Also I’m using the X4Labs extender so would the same bpfsl rule apply or would I need to just focus more on the tension? I believe I ordered the 4200g version but not sure how much actual true tension is at each line on the bars (in theory each line should be ~1400g) as I’ve read most extender manufactures spring ratings aren’t accurate. I always stay under the 1st line as I don’t want to make the mistake of over-extending. I also have a Leluv slider but trying the X4Labs as of now for ease of use. Thanks for the great info.

Thanks man!

When extending I'm using the bone pressed method. So I just tried out my old x4labs and compared it to the slider. Maybe it's just me but when I'm strapped into the x4labs I don't feel a big difference even with the spring rods turned to the max. The leluv sldier felt a litle bit stronger even. I don't how strong those x4labs springs are though. But man it was a lot harder to get strapped into the x4labs. That's why I love the sldier, hence the name, I can just slide down or up at any length I desire.

 

[bardok202]

Excellent write up. I’m following your same routine but using a Leluv air pump for 30min (2x15min @ 5hg) which I pack & pump for length.

After being strapped in to the extender do you do a bp or nbp measurement when adjusting the extender to wear? Also I’m using the X4Labs extender so would the same bpfsl rule apply or would I need to just focus more on the tension? I believe I ordered the 4200g version but not sure how much actual true tension is at each line on the bars (in theory each line should be ~1400g) as I’ve read most extender manufactures spring ratings aren’t accurate. I always stay under the 1st line as I don’t want to make the mistake of over-extending. I also have a Leluv slider but trying the X4Labs as of now for ease of use. Thanks for the great info.

Question. What do you mean by overextending? Isn’t stretching over the bpel what we want? Or do you just mean at 1400g youre already stretching over bpel, and stretching my any further would cause pain?

 

[Alex1988]

Thanks for your response, I actually had another question. I saw another user, I think it’s Teodeles, that recommends only stretching comfortable flaccid length. I’m not sure what your protocol is, but what I’ve been doing is stretching at max spring compression about .5 inches past my bpel. I’m sitting at about .75 inches gained so far. Is that similar to what you do? Are you also stretching past your bpel or are you following teo’s protocol? It just seems like a light stretch for the flaccid length wouldn’t do much.

I'm stretching past my bpel towards my bpfsl which is currently around 2 cm longer. It does seem like extending with low tension leads to nowhere. Back when I started pe I thought that extending would be like muscle training. My thought process was basically, If a muscle like a biceps for example is able to hit fatique with a 10 kg dumbell after let's say 20+ reps. If you give that muscle a 5 kg dumbell it would take at least the double reps to hit fatique or until failure. Now with that logic I could just extend for 2 hours with light stretch but it doesn't work.

The probelm is both are not the same. The main parts of the banana are made out of a very stretchy, elastic material that is also surprsingly durable compared to muscle tissue, a carvernous body. That body is surounded by the tunica, which is I belive a stronger tissue but still stretchy. Some say the tunica dictates the length of the banana. So in order to gain we need to push that tunica to it's limits. :loco::nerd:

 

[miki95]

Hey Alex ,

From your photos it seems you are doing both compression and vacuum hanging or I'm wrong?
Also that guy above mentioned no gains from slider extender and wanting to use spring. What do you think is the reason he saw no gains?

 

[GR82B8]

Thanks man!

When extending I'm using the bone pressed method. So I just tried out my old x4labs and compared it to the slider. Maybe it's just me but when I'm strapped into the x4labs I don't feel a big difference even with the spring rods turned to the max. The leluv sldier felt a litle bit stronger even. I don't how strong those x4labs springs are though. But man it was a lot harder to get strapped into the 4labs. That's why I love the sldier, hence the name, I can just slide down or up at any length I desire.

Well for me, extending the X4Labs to my bpfsl puts me right at the 1st line on the bars (1400g according to their spring rate, although I think it’s inaccurate). When you say you adjusted the spring rods to the max do you mean you reach the 3rd line on the bars? I couldn’t imagine extending that far with my springs.
The way I put it on is I 1st put on the base & let it hang off my shaft while I strap my head into the cradle, then I compress the spring all the way down, stretch my penis out and slide the cradle over & on to the bar. That way I just leave it where it’s always set every time I use it then once it starts to loosen up traction over time I’ll know when I need to adjust it out some more or when my 1st set becomes as loose as my 3rd sets.