Device Guide

[Alex1988]

Hello

I made a graph showing popular pe devices and how they perform in retaining and unlocking growth/gains.

This is a simple overview for everyone to better understand how different pe devices work and how to use them.

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All Day Stretchers
Ads devices usually come as vacuum type devices. Some ads devices use other methods to hold the banana. Non vacuum ads devices have more negative side effects such as very poor bloodflow, dangerous angles/positons of the glans & high risk of injuries. Vac all day stretchers can cause blisters, edema and skin peeling over longer wear time. Ads are in the high (tut) time under tension category & have a light/weak growth unlock potential. They should be used in conjunction with stronger devices for optimal gains. They can be worn much longer than traction devices but still require the user to take breaks to rewarm up, relax & restore full blood circulation.

Pumps/Waterpumps
Pumping devices are better suited to increase girth. These devices basically devide into (airpumps) vacuum pumps & water pumps. There are pumps that specialize in pumping the banana & the scrotum at the same time. In my opinion water pumping is more effective and helps more for penile regeneration. Both pumping types should not be used too long and with too much pressure to avoid exsessive edema build up. Edema pumping is a pointless afair and wil only lead to a limp penis. Effective pumping is around 20 minutes. Waterpumps produce edema faster and idealy should be used with warm/hot water. Pe pumps have a very poor time under tension but a greater growth effect than ads devices. They also should be used in combination with stronger stretching devices. Using only pumps is a very slow growth process.

Extenders/Traction Devices/Vacuum Extenders
Traction devices are better suited to increase length. Extenders come in many forms. Some use springs to generate tension, some only use static rods. There are also vacuum extenders to counter blood circulation issues from traditional/old school traction devices that use for example velcrow/straps/noose to hold the glans in place. Vac extenders have similar problems like vac ads devices such as blisters for example. Extenders have a good balance of medium strength & moderate time under tension. They can also be worn with lighter or slighly higher tension than medium but are usually weaker than the strongest device caegory which are weight hangers. Extenders are effective for growth for 3-4 hours daily.

Compression Weight Hangers/Vacuum Weight Hangers
Hangers are the strongest pe devices when it comes down to unlocking growth potential especially with ligament gains. Like all vacuum based devices vac hangers can also suffer from blisters. Compression hangers are more tricky to use, especailly for uncut men. Hangers should be used with caution and very slow weight increases. Around 7.5 lbs should be enough for most men's ligaments to unlock growth. Due to their nature of creating heavy stress on penile tissue & ligaments it is enough to wear them until "the damage has been done" meaning when fatique kicks in. Because hangers have a very low time under tension they should be used in conjunction of ads/traction devices for optimal growth. The trick is to then stretch ligaments & penile tissue for many hours enough (light too medium) to retain cell growth.


The GOAT Device Combo
(This is my personal opinion, based on my personal experience in the past 8 years since I've started learning about penile enlargement & what I've learned from many others in the pe community)

Vac btc ligament hanging + extending + water pumping

Vacuum btc hanging has the highest ligament growth unlock potential. Using the pumped glans afterwards for extending during the rest of the day for multiple hours supercharges the chance of growth. Combining this with the benefits of water pumping makes penile tissue more easier to manipulate and also helps to grow/maintain penile girth & overall health.

I hope that this short guide is helpful.

 

[Party]

I agree with almost everything Very nice pics of various devices and correct measuring. Nice

 

[PEispossible]

From this chart, hanging appears to be the best overall device for length?

Is vacuum ligament hanging any different than normal compression hanging?

Currently, and my belief may change, to deform the collagen tissues, that restrain an erection, a certain amount of force is required, depending on the strength of the collagen tissues, or it won't deform enough for much or any increase . For some it's not much, for others it's extremely tough. I've hung a lot and it is possible, I have to go to 35, plus pounds to deform enough tissue for a decent measurement ,increase, in length.

Can use much more discussion to try and make sense what works. Thanks for the chart.

 

[not2big]

Nice presentation. I would only like to add that stretching devices are better suited for length gains and pumping devices are better suited for girth gains.

 

[Alex1988]

Nice presentation. I would only like to add that stretching devices are better suited for length gains and pumping devices are better suited for girth gains.

Thanks not2big!
I'll add that to the guide.

 

[Alex1988]

I agree with almost everything Very nice pics of various devices and correct measuring. Nice

Many thanks Sir!

 

[Alex1988]

From this chart, hanging appears to be the best overall device for length?

Is vacuum ligament hanging any different than normal compression hanging?

Currently, and my belief may change, to deform the collagen tissues, that restrain an erection, a certain amount of force is required, depending on the strength of the collagen tissues, or it won't deform enough for much or any increase . For some it's not much, for others it's extremely tough. I've hung a lot and it is possible, I have to go to 35, plus pounds to deform enough tissue for a decent measurement ,increase, in length.

Can use much more discussion to try and make sense what works. Thanks for the chart.

Hanging is the most quickest/efficient/effective way of unlocking gains. But it's usless on it's own. It's time under tension is way to low to create cell growth.

You need to reach fatique with hanging and then ride fatique for as many hours as you can with light to medium force. (ads/traction devices)

I think vac hanging is superior to compression hanging. Vac hangers have more impact on the internals of the penis and stretch a bit longer. (also less painful)

You don't want a stronger penis. The stronger he gets, the harder it will get to gain length.

Gaining length from ligaments requires to hang until they feel sore and then they need to be locked down with an all day stretcher or extender (light to medium stretch) for many hours to retain growth. If you only hang until you fatique it will not result in length gains. Your ligaments will just grow stronger and stronger. That's why you can hang so heavy.

 

[PEispossible]

You don't want a stronger penis. The stronger he gets, the harder it will get to gain length.

So if a guy (lme) has been hanging one to one and a half hours everyday, most days for past four years, it may be more difficult to deform , making any gains, after years of doing this because strengthened the ligament too much?

Ive always thought its because my collagenous tissue is too strong. Again, ive tinkered with hormones since 2004, used them continuedly since 2014, and now use growth hormone, which can all strengthen collagen tissue, I dont know if anabolic hormones, and gh increase collagen tissue in the penis , or other area's. I guess the only way to see is try. No way I'm giving up now. Like I said , I've hung five sets in past forty days, and before this , In January, was hanging five sets a day. This is where the extender can come in, and can be a good extension, pun intended, after hanging. Love these discussions, and learning how things work, trying new things to see how they work. Thanks, friends.

 

[Agoria]

Thanks for the great overview! I have a question as I'm relatively new to the devices forums. I have a very variable flaccid penis length. It can range from 2 to 4.7 inches. Am I a good candidate for hanging or stretching devices or will it be a flop?

It seems that you should combine two devices for optimal length. I don't mind the passive stretching but combining this with hanging sounds like a lot of work. How much hours a week do you need to hang?

 

[Alex1988]

So if a guy (lme) has been hanging one to one and a half hours everyday, most days for past four years, it may be more difficult to deform , making any gains, after years of doing this because strengthened the ligament too much?

It's very likely that this is exactly why it's hard for you to gain additional length.

Ive always thought its because my collagenous tissue is too strong. Again, ive tinkered with hormones since 2004, used them continuedly since 2014, and now use growth hormone, which can all strength collagen tissue, I dont know if anabolic hormones, and gh increase collagen tissue in the penis I guess the only way to see is try. No way Im giving up now. Like I said , Ive hung five sets in past forty days, and before this , In January, was hanging five sets a day. This is where the extender can come in, and can be a good extension, pun intended, after hanging. Love these discussions, and learning how things work, trying new things to see how they work. Thanks, friends.

Never give up.

I'm confident that you'll be successful with the extender and the water pump. You might want to focus on extending/pumping for 4-6 months and not use the hanger.

 

[PEispossible]

Thanks for the great overview! I have a question as I'm relatively new to the devices forums. I have a very variable flaccid penis length. It can range from 2 to 4.7 inches. Am I a good candidate for hanging or stretching devices or will it be a flop?

It seems that you should combine two devices for optimal length. I don't mind the passive stretching but combining this with hanging sounds like a lot of work. How much hours a week do you need to hang?

I recommend starting with an extender. As far as I know,. Le Luv has "the Slider" which is inexpensive and works well. If I could go back, I would start with extending, then , after a year or so of extending, maybe get into hanging.

 

[Party]

Phallosan Forte for me. Always got blood blisters from vac hanging dispite taping my glans.

 

[Alex1988]

Thanks for the great overview! I have a question as I'm relatively new to the devices forums. I have a very variable flaccid penis length. It can range from 2 to 4.7 inches. Am I a good candidate for hanging or stretching devices or will it be a flop?

It seems that you should combine two devices for optimal length. I don't mind the passive stretching but combining this with hanging sounds like a lot of work. How much hours a week do you need to hang?

2 inches is the minimum length requirement for most extenders.

Extenders are the best beginner devices. Hanging is usually done after already having gained more size and more experience.

You can't take a shortcut with hanging. It is very hard to hang the required hours for optimal growth. You would still need to hang for 3-4 hours per day. That's where the ads and extenders come into play.

 

[Alex1988]

Phallosan Forte for me. Always got blood blisters from vac hanging dispite taping my glans.

Did you use both devices in your routine?
Sometimes too many vacuum devices can be too much for the skin.
Vac hanging and noose extending work great together.

 

[Party]

Sometimes too many vacuum devices can be too much for the skin.
Vac hanging and noose extending work great together.

No. Used the noose Androgold. Tore my frenelum and haven’t cum with the Mrs the last two times. Over the last year I cum with her 50 percent of the time. Sucks for me but she blames herself. And in a way she’s right. To many negetive comments before hand. She does t understand. Never will

 

[527Just84]

Used extender in the past, thinking about getting into hanging. If you're hanging, then using a ADS, how long would you want to hang for (in general).

 

[PEispossible]

Phallosan Forte for me. Always got blood blisters from vac hanging dispite taping my glans.

How many hours have you put in PF? Did you use this solo or combine it ? How many cm or inches did you gain from it?

 

[PEispossible]

No. Used the noose Androgold. Tore my frenelum and haven’t cum with the Mrs the last two times. Over the last year I cum with her 50 percent of the time. Sucks for me but she blames herself. And in a way she’s right. To many negetive comments before hand. She does t understand. Never will

Is Androgold a noose type hanger like the old Tom Hubbard hanger?

Sorry to hear. Sounds like too much friction. Have you thought about letting her go or her letting you go? Females do the breaking up seventy percent of the time, in long term commitments! Men hang in there, generally.

 

[PEispossible]

It's very likely that this is exactly why it's hard for you to gain additional length.


Never give up.

I'm confident that you'll be successful with the extender and the water pump. You might want to focus on extending/pumping for 4-6 months and not use the hanger.

Pumped last night fifteen minutes , more than moderate then manual stretched and had Ed and penis sore the remainder of the night . I would think extending too much after pumping could cause this.

So extending medium force for a longer time ,say 180-240 mins can, will ,could and may cause more growth than hanging 80 mins a day spending a good amount of that time in fatigue?

 

[Alex1988]

So extending medium force for a longer time ,say 180-240 mins can, will ,could and may cause more growth than hanging 80 mins a day spending a good amount of that time in fatigue?

Yes.