Venous Leak Symptoms And Cures

[Regenerator]

I understand. I guess I wasn't really asking about statistics, but hoping that maybe he had at least made a comment like- surgical removal of scar tissue is often successful for reversing erectile dysfunction in the following types of scenarios, or I've had a pretty good success rate with the following in cases of damage from jelqing, or typically with jelqers I see the following types of damage, etc.

The main thing for me that raises questions is that no urologist that I've ever met with has said anything about surgical removal of scar tissue for the treatment of erectile dysfunction. Is this a new procedure? Are there many other urologists who do this? I did a brief search about complex penile surgery and some stuff came up about repairing the urethra, peyeonie's disease, fixing implants, or correcting birth defects. Some if it had taken place in second or third world countries.

What you are saying about the info this surgeon gave you is pretty groundbreaking, so I feel like we need to be asking questions.

 

[ugfug]

It's a common approach to treating ED that stems from the work on peyronies. They will see if it resolves with time, use drugs and the try to remove the plaque if invasive surgery is required to allow intercourse. With regards to its use in jelqing, I don't know how long that's been a technique. But scar tissue is scar tissue, you have the similar set of tools to deal with it, so they will apply it on an ad hoc basis.

That is the what complex penile surgery is, all the things you have listed.

Remember of course the whole point of my initial post, the answer was that it wasn't worth pursuing and that an implant was the only 'cure'. Venous leak is hard to accept because once you have it, that's probably going to be it.

 

[Cd7777]

Have you ever looked into your pelvic floor? I mean unless you jelqed with vice grips i highly doubt that you caused yourself a venous leak. A whacky pelvic floor could cause poor blood flow to the penis and it even can be misdiagnosed as a venous leak... i too find myself scaring myself into thinking I did something serious to myself, but after reading the hans protocol and actually doing with it for a bit now I’m feeling optimistic.

 

[Regenerator]

Surgery to remove scar tissue is a common approach for treating ED?

I did some reading on a peyronie's forum awhile back, and from what the guys over there were saying surgery for peyronie's is still fairly uncommon.

As far as ED, out of 4 urologists that I saw, one of whom was a prolific implant surgeon and one whose specialty was ED, none of them mentioned it once throughout the course of detailed discussions where I really dug for answers about current ED treatments. How did you find out it was fairly common in the treatment of ED?

I agree with what you said about it not being worth pursuing, and the only 'cure' being an implant. What I had originally brought up in my first post responding to you, was your post on another thread where you had encouraged someone else to spend the big bucks on complex testing, since it was the only way to get better. That was what threw me.

 

[DanielSAN]

Venous leakage is a mental thing, no?

Normal process

“We’ve closed a gap in our knowledge,” says Arthur Burnett, professor of urology at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine. “We knew that the release of the chemical nitric oxide, a neurotransmitter that is produced in nerve tissue, triggers an erection by relaxing muscles that allow blood to fill the penis."

"In a study of mice, Burnett and colleagues found a positive feedback loop in the penile nerves that triggers waves of nitric oxide to keep the penis erect. The key finding is that after the initial release of nitric oxide, a biochemical process called phosphorylation takes place to continue its release and sustain the erection.

"In 1992, Burnett and Johns Hopkins colleague Solomon S. Snyder, a professor of neuroscience who is also a co-author of the new study, showed for the first time that nitric oxide is produced in penile tissue. That research demonstrated the key role of nitric oxide as a neurotransmitter responsible for triggering erections."


Just interesting is all. I'm not a urologist.

- increase penis sensitivity
- increase nitric oxide
- abstain from using penis for a few months (90 days or more)

 

[Regenerator]

Thickst1ck what are your erections like? Do you get spontaneous erections? When you are masturbating, does it typically require great effort, concentration and stimulation to achieve and maintain an erection? Are erections much worse in certain positions like standing up?

The percentage of men who masturbate to porn is astronomically high. What gave you the idea that venous leak is a mental thing? It means that blood is flowing out of the penis too quickly.

 

[DanielSAN]

Porn can actually cause erectile dysfunction, more people using something does not necessarily mean it is a "safe" thing. Alcohol for example is a terrible drug but socially accepted and everything uses it, a neurotoxic substance.

I had some problems with maintaining an erection (porn caused) but never to the degree that people with an apparent venous leak have.

The exact mechanism of how phosophorylation occurs is unknown to me, i'm just thinking that it's very unlikely you guys have a physical problem. It might be a worthwhile idea to try some alternative methods, if the current ones are not helping you (unless they are in which case go for it.)

Maybe i'll read more into this because it's very interesting.

 

[Regenerator]

Alright well I appreciate you taking an interest and I hope you'll share anything interesting that you find out.

Were your erection problems only in certain situations or were they all of the time?

 

[DanielSAN]

Do you get spontaneous erections? No.

When you are masturbating, does it typically require great effort, concentration and stimulation to achieve and maintain an erection?

To get it up and maintain i needed porn.

Are erections much worse in certain positions like standing up? I don't know.

All the time, porn ruined my brain.

 

[Regenerator]

Things have improved though now that you've cut back on the porn?

 

[DanielSAN]

Yes.

I can actually do my routine without any porn - Big Al's Jelqless Program.

Get erections sometimes (I'm abstaining from orgasm).

Erection quality has gone way up and they last longer. By no means is this a magical pill that will solve your problem, but it will help.

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I've got some HGW (Horny goat weed) on the way for that extra oompf downstairs, apparently it helps with blood flow / nitric oxide and libido. So check out my journal if you're interested to see the results of adding a 40% icarin powder to the mix.

This adaptogen takes time to build up in the body and is pretty damn good.

Give the no porn a shot, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Not sure if links are allowed but : yourbrainonporn has a collection of many studies done showing how porn is bad for people.

 

[ugfug]

Throughout this I have endevoured to take the high ground and support you, even while you have deliberetely and repeatedly sought to bring my credibility into question with your conforntational tone and implied criticisms, while claiming I have said things that I have not.

I have answered all your questions in depth, I have repeated myself when I should not have had to, and turned the cheek to a man who is at best blunt, and at worst, malicious.

Throughout this, in the background, I have sought out those involved within this thread via private messaging, to gauge why you are acting the way you are. I wanted to be sure of your character and motives before acting.

Trauma?

A sponsor of the board?

Simply an ill mannered ignorant?

Regardless of the motivation for your conduct, my patience is exhausted.

Anyone that seeks serious, well informed and evidence based discussion of erectile dysfunction (of various aetiologies and causes) would do well to make their way to Franktalk or (more specialist and narrow in scope, but still informative) peyroniesforum.

Ideally do both, but be warned that you will conduct yourself in a polite manner, you will be responsible for doing basic reading and you will contribute not just demand, or you'll be out.

Good luck to all. Hope is out there, people do care, but never bite the hand that feeds you, or they may stop caring.

 

[Regenerator]

I was just asking you some straight forward questions. What you've posted is pretty groundbreaking when compared with the experiences of many, many others, so it is in everyone's best interest to clear up any uncertainty. You did provide a lot of general info about complex penile surgery, but as far as certain claims more relevant to those here with injuries, there are still things that really do need to be cleared up. The questions I asked were pretty simple, but all of the extra background info about complex penile surgery was stuff that you chose to add on. I didn't insult you once. Just understand that you posted groundbreaking info which goes against many, many other experiences, and there are certain questions people can ask to clear it up.

 

[Big Al]

Yes.

I can actually do my routine without any porn - Big Al's Jelqless Program.

This is some excellent progress- congratulations!

 

[Big Al]

Throughout this I have endevoured to take the high ground and support you, even while you have deliberetely and repeatedly sought to bring my credibility into question with your conforntational tone and implied criticisms, while claiming I have said things that I have not...

To whom is this directed to?

 

[ugfug]

Regenerator, he knows.

 

[Big Al]

Regenerator, he knows.

We appreciate your clarifying this, but please don't assume no one here cares or you won't get quality information here because you feel upset over the actions of one member.

 

[ugfug]

I am continuing to engage with others in constructive discussion.

 

[Regenerator]

I truly didn't mean to offend you. Here's where I was coming from- I've researched erectile dysfunction extensively for the last 8 years, including extensive communication with multiple urologists, discussions with others who have also spoken extensively with multiple urologists, and reading the experiences of many others across multiple forums that have had a lot of experience. Based on all if this, the overwhelming conclusion was that the only surgeries that were sometimes offered for ED were venous litigation or stripping which had a low success rate and was hardly performed anymore, or a surgery on the arteries in the pelvic region that could be blocked resulting in inflow issues, which was even more uncommon than venous litigation ir stripping. I never came across anything about surgery to remove scar tissue as a known treatment for ED.

In your last post directed towards me you mentioned trauma as a potential reason for my actions. Whatever you want to call it, I've seen misinformation surface on injury forums before, and in your brief time here, you expressed frustration with other people besides only me. Based on the risk of misinformation surfacing, I felt that I needed to ask you questions. If people are afraid to ask each other questions, then how will get anywhere?

I'm not someone who is going to tell you that the fabric of the universe is aligned in such a way that proves that people don't get injured. I have a permanent injury from jelqing so we're really on the same page. I think it's important for people like us to continue to be unafraid to speak frankly to always remind people why to take the safety info seriously and start slow with things.

Please just understand that I care deeply about getting to the truth, and that can mean asking questions. Accepting a mindset where we feel ashamed to question one another I think is very dangerous. I hope we can work together on positive things going forward.

 

[Cd7777]

I'm not someone who is going to tell you that the fabric of the universe is aligned in such a way that proves that people don't get injured. I have a permanent injury from jelqing so we're really on the same page. I think it's important for people like us to continue to be unafraid to speak frankly to always remind people why to take the safety info seriously and start slow with things.

Who told you that you have a permanent injury?