Thoughts on Charleston

[Tamora]

I apologize, but you're right,I m a geezer

No apology needed! Love ya mate.

A question...if someone broke into your house in the middle of the night would you pick up a gun (if you had one) or a baseball bat and would you be prepared to use them?

 

[namsokiek]

It's almost an impossible issue to resolve! I just don't like guns...I've seen what they can do many times in my life.

This is going to come across as brutally cold, but ... those who fear guns most are those who are most ignorant of guns. This combination of fear and ignorance not only block a logicial examinatuon of cause and effect but it easily accepts and propogates half truths and blatantly false narratives as fact.

In other words fear and ignorance breeds more fear and ignorance.

 

[Party]

You want to go there?

Where are america in the rankings for crime rate? No.1 on the highest crime rate ranking,

Ireland we are in the top 10 for lowest crime rate. Denmark or Iceland are no.1 I think.

I apologize. I grew up in the 70's. A day didn't go by on the evening news without a story from Belfast or Vietnam. To much hate and anger. Life is not always so simple. I guess , don't stir my pudding, I won't stir yours, ok. .

 

[THOTbreaker]

Why do you think that is?

Because life in not a action movie. I was going to get a concealed carry permit before having guns put in my face multiple times and it changed my position. Both times if I had a gun it would have ended badly.

 

[longerlastingnoob]

It's not uncommon for people to let patriosim influence their ideals. But what we can learn from other countries doesn't mean your taking that away, just improving on it.

 

[Tamora]

This is going to come across as brutally cold, but ... those who fear guns most are those who are most ignorant of guns. This combination of fear and ignorance not only block a logicial examinatuon of cause and effect but it easily accepts and propogates half truths and blatantly false narratives as fact.

In other words fear and ignorance breeds more fear and ignorance.

So...a question...how many times have you taken someone's life with a gun?

 

[Party]

No apology needed! Love ya mate.

A question...if someone broke into your house in the middle of the night would you pick up a gun (if you had one) or a baseball bat and would you be prepared to use them?

Wouldnt You? My wife, my son, my daughter? How could I live with myself if I didn't defend the most important people in my life? Expand on this 1000% and you can understand WWII. Read some history, not what is taught you in school but HISTORY, without the spin.

 

[Tamora]

Because life in not a action movie. I was going to get a concealed carry permit before having guns put in my face multiple times and it changed my position. Both times if I had a gun it would have ended badly.

Exactly my point...it's a whole world apart carrying a gun to actually using it. I've never told my son to carry a knife because every other fucker over here has one.

 

[longerlastingnoob]

This is going to come across as brutally cold, but ... those who fear guns most are those who are most ignorant of guns. This combination of fear and ignorance not only block a logicial examinatuon of cause and effect but it easily accepts and propogates half truths and blatantly false narratives as fact.

In other words fear and ignorance breeds more fear and ignorance.

Fear of guns does not entail ignorance, that's a crazy statement.

 

[longerlastingnoob]

Wouldnt You? My wife, my son, my daughter? How could I live with myself if I didn't defend the most important people in my life? Expand on this 1000% and you can understand WWII. Read some history, not what is taught you in school but HISTORY, without the spin.

And you have every right to, I'm not suggesting otherwise, just that before you are provided a gun, the people doing so know this is all it will be used for.

And I saw your post above. No of course man, just friendly debate. I'm sorry as well if anything came off in the wrong way.

 

[Party]

It's not uncommon for people to let patriosim influence their ideals. But what we can learn from other countries doesn't mean your taking that away, just improving on it.

Patriotism? No. I believe , and I hoped all Americans, and all free men and women believe around the world. All those hoping to be free, our responsibility to help them be so. And so,.....insert the preamble to the Declaration of Independane and Constitution here. These words aren't just ment for Americans, but for everyone, everywhere. These words weren't just invented here in the new world but with you, on the other side of the pond, men like Locke, the Magna Charta, you inspired our revolution, our freedom, perhaps you all need to rediscover it?

 

[Park Lib]

The US is a very violent country born out of a violent war of secession so it understandable that everyone wants to be armed. It's a reaction based on fear; fear of government, fear of invasion, fear of the outsider. I understand it but find some of it a bit incredulous. The US has more funding in its military than the next eight nations combined and 1 in 5 dollars goes into defence spending. So no need to worry about us British invading anymore Heck, we can barely be called having an army in technical terms so we are having the opposite problem. I just think America has and always will love the gun. From history, through in to cinema and culture, the gun symbolises the individualism and militaristic attitude of the nation but I'm sure you can understand why people from other countries don't feel the same. I think that it means the police are more heavy-handed and quick to draw just in case the person is armed which should be expected that most people would be.

I think a more interesting argument was on how differently the suspect in this case was treated, wearing a bullet-proof vest and calmly placed in to a police car, and compare it with other examples highlighted recently of some black men thrown to the ground for arguably minor offences and some even shot while known to be unarmed. You do see some stupid things to like a young girl practising shooting an automatic weapon on a range and inadvertently killing the instructor. Like that was some dumb sh*t, he should have known about the recoil of such a weapon.

 

[Party]

Preamble
1 When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
2.1 We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[Tamora]

Because life in not a action movie. I was going to get a concealed carry permit before having guns put in my face multiple times and it changed my position. Both times if I had a gun it would have ended badly.

You are a very wise man my friend...a question...do you feel any less safe for not carrying a firearm?

 

[namsokiek]

Fear of guns does not entail ignorance, that's a crazy statement.

I'm saying they are correlated. Just like those who fear [name a race, black men, China, Islam, flying, etc.] are those who are most ignorant of the thing they fear.

 

[Park Lib]

Preamble
1 When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
2.1 We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Is this your Constitution you are quoting from?

I wish we had a formal constitution. All democratic states should have one in my opinion.

 

[longerlastingnoob]

When a man commits a murder does he have these rights?

 

[Party]

Preamble
1 When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
2.1 We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Argue with that. It true now, true always, for all. I'll pick up a gun right now and protect YOUR right, for those ideals, those Rights!!!

 

[longerlastingnoob]

I'm saying they are correlated. Just like those who fear [name a race, black men, China, Islam, flying, etc.] are those who are most ignorant of the thing they fear.

Fearing a man because of their race is ignorance.
Fearing a deadly weapon is not ignorance.

 

[Party]

This is from the Declaration of Indepedance. Written by Thomas Jefferson, a slave owner, by the way, released them on his death. His greatest love was a black woman who bore him many children.