The Varicocele - Topic

[Peniopompa]

You guys do the Hindi Squats like this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSr2S3MG_5I

 

[Excellator]

I've finally been to a physiotherapist who specializes in the pelvic floor muscles. I've told her my whole story and she confirmed that I am right, that the veins in the scrotum pass through the pelvic floor, and if it is too tight those veins simply become constricted. It's like 1+1=2. Felt great hearing this from someone who's expertised in this. She also talked about how in her therapy she uses trigger/pain point therapy, as the famous PEgym user obitoo used to with a physiotherapist to cure his varicocele. We didn't actually get to inspect my pelvic floor yet, because this first appointment introductory. We will do this in our next appointment next week and I'll keep you guys up to date. She said I had to fill out a form to legally allow her to use a finger up my ass to check the pelvic floor lol. She told me only pelvic floor therapists like her are allowed to perform this in therapy. I've read the story of another guy who visited a pelvic floor therapist and he spoke of the same procedure. As long as I cure this thing!!!

I've quit the iodine for a while now, because I fear for autoimmune reactions, especially towards the thyroid. This is because I suffered an autoimmune disease as a child for which I was treated, juvenile onset arthritis. So I have to be extra cautious. But that doesn't mean that the iodine doesn't work, because it does work in fact in restoring and shrinking the varicocele and improving the pain alot. You just have to be sure about the iodine's effect on the rest of your body for which I suggest googling ''iodine thyroid'' for starters. Note that the scrotum is one of the spots on the skin with the highest absorption for substances. Take a bath in a tub full of champagne and you will get drunk. I didn't really use the chinese formula yet but I can attest to what it simply does: boost circulation in that area. Now for some, that can be a good thing, but for others like me where a tight pelvic floor is the most likely cause, it should also be done with cautious, and else not done at all. This because from my own understanding it can unnecessarily put more pressure on the vein walls, potentially causing more damage. However I might be wrong! I'm just being extra cautious because in my case it's most likely a simple constriction caused by a tight pelvic floor. I'm not saying that this the exclusive reason why varicoceles happen, so in those cases where it is unlikely the pelvic floor is the cause, that chinese herb formula (simply cinnamon & poria pill, it's being sold under that name in the west) can definitely improve the varicocele alot!

Will keep you guys up to date. Good luck everyone and keep posting if you get new information!

You guys do the Hindi Squats like this ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSr2S3MG_5I

Yes.

 

[Excellator]

One day before my first real treatment appointment at the PT for pelvic floor, I've developed a right side varicocele. I was taking a test booster so I'll quit that and gonna lay on the bed all day to prevent it from getting worse. Hopefully when I wake up it' gone. Yikes, how much bad luck can a man get?

 

[Excellator]

Woke up, Varicocele on the right is minimized, sometimes non-existent. My theory was right. Whenever it gets varicosed, try to not worsen it in any form or damage it through compounds, because eventual end results could worsen. This means not showering or even standing. Laying down is your safest position because it takes off the pressure, and the vein walls aren't prone to damage anymore. Thank god I've been so vigilant and so informed, that I can avoid stupidities now that make it worse.

 

[Excellator]

I have a Varicocele on the right to now since yesterday to my frustration.

I've been to the PT for the second time. She did a rectal exam and tight PF has now officially been confirmed. She taught me how to do certain constrict-relax exercises with the anus and explained how my anus is supposed to bulge outward when you would squeeze during a stool and that this particular motion is something I have to consciously learn because it relaxes the pelvic floor muscle on the back, and this muscle has influence on the tightness of the pelvic floor muscle in the front. My next appointment is next week and she told me to train this anus relaxing at home.

While at home I remembered reading somewhere in a thread that someone suggested the cat dog yoga pose. I googled it and it's switching from the second to
the third pose in this picture several times as long as you please:

http://aemstatic-ww1.azureedge.net/content/dam/fe/online-articles/2016/10/Cat and Dog Pose.jpg

So I tried this on my bed and guess what? Both Varicoceles completely dissapeared while doing it. Both left and right. I will continue doing these. Hopefully they make a difference that will last. Also for each and every Varicocele sufferer out there, try out this cat dog yoga pose to test if it works for you. It's much more easier than the Hindi squat.

 

[wellshii]

Good info man.Is that therapist hot?
Well update on my situation, my varicocele came back,not as bad as before,but about the same.
Reason I believe,stress,caffiene and lack of sleep .
Thats all I can say for now,havnt started squatting again . Let us know how all your treatment goes.

 

[Excellator]

Good info man.Is that therapist hot?
Well update on my situation, my varicocele came back,not as bad as before,but about the same.
Reason I believe,stress,caffiene and lack of sleep .
Thats all I can say for now,havnt started squatting again . Let us know how all your treatment goes.

She's alright, she's a bit of an older woman lol. She mentioned she has learned the techniques of Dr. Wise PhD who invented all of this stuff in his book Headache in the Pelvis, who created the trigger point therapy with stretches to fix Chronic Pelvic Pain Syndrome (CPPS).

So I decided to go ahead and do stuff myself and man, do these exercises of this video feel fine! I'm a 100% positive my varicocele is caused by a tight pelvic floor.

And the key word is STRETCH! You gotta stretch that part on the left where it's causing the pain, and constricting your vein. Especially the exercise at 11:19 felt so great in stretching that particular spot where it is constricting.

Basically I'm suffering from CPPS and varicocele is a symptom of it you could argue. Guys, take the time to do all of these stretch exercises in this video and tell me how you feel afterwards, and if your varicocele shows changes. These felt great for me! Do each exercise twice, for 30 seconds as the guy instructs. You can do these at the privacy of your own home! I'm gonna buy a tennis ball and a rubber band like the one in the video to do those 2 exercises too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6tueuGlo1Q (Skip to 2:30 to skip the talking and start the rest of the video where the exercises begin) Do listen to the guy's instructions and always do both the left and right side of your body for the best results!

These helped alot! My right varicocele vanished after doing these exercises. My left one also diminishes but the muscle on that side just needs more stretching I think compared to the right. So the varicocele comes and goes on the left. For now!!

You have to fight against this, you have to put in work on that pelvic floor, don't get lazy or apathic! You can pull yourself out of this through these stretches. Especially the part on the left where it's directly hurting should be targeted with STRETCHING!

And it's not just your pelvic floor. It's your abs, all the way to your flanks of your torso, back, and legs, thighs. They're all accomplices in this condition because they're all influencing the pelvic floor. With the exercises of the video link I posted above you will notice you will feel stretching in these parts to! This is normal, and necessary! Loosen that sh*t up! :becky:

 

[mhrdth]

I believe the reason the cat dog yoga pose relieves the varicocele is because it removes the pressure of gravity on your blood flow instead of relaxing your pelvic floor. It is a mechanism similar to lying down that shrinks the varicocele.

 

[Helloboy]

I dont understand people, why stop this "snake oil" stuff, and get a sugary instead? Just be done with it, and not spend so much mental and physical strength going around this problem.

Here is a study from 2016 : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182225/

The study clearly shows that surgery brings Testosterone levels back to normal, if the testosterone levels were affected by the Varicocele.

 

[Excellator]

I believe the reason the cat dog yoga pose relieves the varicocele is because it removes the pressure of gravity on your blood flow instead of relaxing your pelvic floor. It is a mechanism similar to lying down that shrinks the varicocele.

Then how do you explain the fact that when I am standing and have a full on erection and are having sexual intercourse, the varicocele dissapears fully?

 

[Excellator]

I dont understand people, why stop this "snake oil" stuff, and get a sugary instead? Just be done with it, and not spend so much mental and physical strength going around this problem.

Here is a study from 2016 : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182225/

The study clearly shows that surgery brings Testosterone levels back to normal, if the testosterone levels were affected by the Varicocele.

My urologist won't perform surgery. He says it's too small of a varicocele for that.

 

[mhrdth]

I dont understand people, why stop this "snake oil" stuff, and get a sugary instead? Just be done with it, and not spend so much mental and physical strength going around this problem.

Here is a study from 2016 : https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5182225/

The study clearly shows that surgery brings Testosterone levels back to normal, if the testosterone levels were affected by the Varicocele.

Because if you don't address the underlying causes, chances are the varicocele will return. I had a left side varicocele and had subinguinal micro-varicocelectomy in April. 3 months later the varicocele returned and my right side developed one too.

 

[mhrdth]

Then how do you explain the fact that when I am standing and have a full on erection and are having sexual intercourse, the varicocele dissapears fully?

During sexual excitement in preparation for ejaculation, the cremaster muscle pulls your testicles closer to your body. Since your testicles are almost near your belly you don't see your veins.

All that said, I don't see how having sex standing up is related to the cat dog yoga pose.

 

[Excellator]

During sexual excitement in preparation for ejaculation, the cremaster muscle pulls your testicles closer to your body. Since your testicles are almost near your belly you don't see your veins.

All that said, I don't see how having sex standing up is related to the cat dog yoga pose.

The actual situation was I was at my home alone, standing and edging on my bed while standing. During this edging I frequently felt my varicocele to see if it would change. At first it was big, but when I relaxed and sexually opened my mind imagining I was in a sexual situation with a female, my varicocele vanished, as I felt it. I felt it dissapearing with my fingers from a state of dilation to fully normal.

 

[billfong250]

hey man just saw this thread. i have had cpps for a while now n im slowly healing myself but ive had a varicocele since i was 14 so its kind of a revelation to me that all of this could be interconnected. How has ur PT been going?

 

[mhrdth]

The actual situation was I was at my home alone, standing and edging on my bed while standing. During this edging I frequently felt my varicocele to see if it would change. At first it was big, but when I relaxed and sexually opened my mind imagining I was in a sexual situation with a female, my varicocele vanished, as I felt it. I felt it dissapearing with my fingers from a state of dilation to fully normal.

That's strange. I suppose a combination of relaxation and increased blood flow to the area caused it to shrink but I'm just speculating. It just goes to show how ignorant the state of modern medicine is to the causes of varicocele.

We should keep this discussion going. The treatments we are discussing are far from snake oil as they seem to improve the condition even if only slightly. It is obvious to me that this problem is a multidimensional one and there is no quick fix for it including surgery.

As an update I tried the garlic mixed with honey treatment mentioned in one of the previous posts and it seems to improve the varicocele a lot. I will keep updating as I continue with it.

 

[mhrdth]

hey man just saw this thread. i have had cpps for a while now n im slowly healing myself but ive had a varicocele since i was 14 so its kind of a revelation to me that all of this could be interconnected. How has ur PT been going?

It is all interconnected. I don't think I have CPPS tho I think I do have a tight pelvic floor muscle. Besides having varicocele from my onset of puberty I also have pee shyness which I suppose is a failure to relax the PC muscle enough for urine to flow. I also tend to get blue balls pretty easily but the pain doesn't just stay in my testicles and spreads to all my groin which I think is a similar pain to CPPS.

 

[Helloboy]

It is all very very weird, folks. Take it as how you want, but the more I do pelvic floor relaxation techniques the bigger the varicocele gets.

It really seems that surgery is the only treatment. Because, just walking around with a varicocele is not an option either, (It messes up the hormonal balance in men).

 

[Excellator]

It is all very very weird, folks. Take it as how you want, but the more I do pelvic floor relaxation techniques the bigger the varicocele gets.

It really seems that surgery is the only treatment. Because, just walking around with a varicocele is not an option either, (It messes up the hormonal balance in men).

Look into nutcracker syndrome. Also, how old are you? Chances are if you're in your 60s the valves are actually bust and causes your varicocele. Also How's your digestive system, do you get cramps occasionally? How much times do you have a stool a week? You could try using a probiotics supplement and see if it helps, because the colon could be pushing against the scrotal vein causing your Varicocele, this is due to expansion and inflammation of the colon, which probiotics help against.

 

[billfong250]

It is all interconnected. I don't think I have CPPS tho I think I do have a tight pelvic floor muscle. Besides having varicocele from my onset of puberty I also have pee shyness which I suppose is a failure to relax the PC muscle enough for urine to flow. I also tend to get blue balls pretty easily but the pain doesn't just stay in my testicles and spreads to all my groin which I think is a similar pain to CPPS.

I read in tha HANS protocol that pelvic floor tightness can be cuz of a growth spurt that ppl have in their teens. I think this is what it is in both of our cases.