It is supposed to be the other way around. The more u relax, the bloodflow should return to ur varicocele and altho it wont get smaller, it should stay the same way. and definitely shouldnt be getting bigger
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It is supposed to be the other way around. The more u relax, the bloodflow should return to ur varicocele and altho it wont get smaller, it should stay the same way. and definitely shouldnt be getting bigger
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If oestrogen can be one of the culprits for varicoceles, wouldn't taking aromas help to get rid off varicocele?
Interesting theory but I wouldn't take drugs without the supervision of a caretaker and/or proper blood testing first. You could try natural anti-aromatase supplements though.
However. In my case it is clear. Stretch exercises for the Ilipsoas muscle help my varicocele dissapear. Taking supplements can be harmful in my case for the valves. I might consider doing a blood test though to see if I have excess estrogen and will keep you guys updated on that. So far it's just a muscle that needs proper and lengthy stretching that cures my varicocele - Just gotta do it.
There is a taoist massage that can help varicocele to, it did help some in mine but again, circulation isn't the problem in my varicocele, it's constriction due to a muscle. For anyone figuring out how to solve their varicocele, try to figure what you're dealing with. A constriction or a circulation problem. Also Nutcracker syndrome is a serious condition which could be causing your varicocele. This is simple the gonad vein being constricted by an artery up at the intersection with your renal vein and can be solved by either correcting your pose or surgery. Doctors have to do a separate scan exam to verify a nutcracker syndrome case, with a CT scan or MRI scan of the area beneath your left chest. Most likely they will an intravenous contrast agent with this procedure to get a clear picture on the screen. Nutcracker syndrome does happen to people, I've read several cases of it.
In very rare cases a renal tumor could be causing the varicocele but that's uncommon and an urologist will perform blood testing for this after he diagnosed a varicocele to exclude this.
Good luck my fellow varicocele sufferers!
Salute Nikitis,
Which stretch exercise do you do for the poses muscle? Thank you in advance. In addition can you share about the taoist massage?
Also, were you checked for nutcracker syndrome, with a CT or MRI?
I never was scanned by a CT or an MRI. The only scan I got was and Ultra sound. Is it possible to check for the nutcracker syndrome with an Ultra Sound?
Next month, I asked for an appointment with a doctor due to my varicocele. I was always asking the doctors t find the root cause for the varicocele. They did 3 ultra sounds in total, and the last time i saw them they said " we checked what one can check, we can't find the reason for your varicocele"
However, when you wrote right now about the nutcracker syndrome, I thought maybe they did check out that with those ultra sounds scans. But when I read further what your wrote, and i read that you wrote that it is tested with a ct scan or an mrs, Im now in doubt.
My question is, when next month I will be again at the doctors. How can I ask them about the nutcracker syndrome without sounding that Im schooling them?
Which stretch exercise do you do for the poses muscle? Thank you in advance. In addition can you share about the taoist massage?
Also, were you checked for nutcracker syndrome, with a CT or MRI?
I never was scanned by a CT or an MRI. The only scan I got was and Ultra sound. Is it possible to check for the nutcracker syndrome with an Ultra Sound?
Next month, I asked for an appointment with a doctor due to my varicocele. I was always asking the doctors t find the root cause for the varicocele. They did 3 ultra sounds in total, and the last time i saw them they said " we checked what one can check, we can't find the reason for your varicocele"
However, when you wrote right now about the nutcracker syndrome, I thought maybe they did check out that with those ultra sounds scans. But when I read further what your wrote, and i read that you wrote that it is tested with a ct scan or an mrs, Im now in doubt.
My question is, when next month I will be again at the doctors. How can I ask them about the nutcracker syndrome without sounding that Im schooling them?
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An ultrasound of the left chest area is inconclusive on determining wether or not you have Nutcracker syndrome. You either need a CT scan for that with IV contrast agent, a X-Ray with IV contrast agent or a MRI. That is according to a medical source.
Did they do the ultrasound on your left chest or somewhere directly below? If not, then they haven't checked for Nutcracker syndrome yet.
Basically you can tell the doctor that you've read about Nutcracker syndrome being an actual possible cause for varicocele which is prevalent among all ages, and ask if you can get a CT scan or X-Ray or MRI for that, or ask your urologist or any doctor you're gonna visit. You can even print out the articles and studies about it and take them with you to show them. I did that before for something different (A medical case journal about a young person who abused steroids with a coronary artery blockage, for my chest pain) and I got a referral to my cardiologist at that time. Just type "Nutcracker syndrome" on Google search to find all articles on it. Nutcracker syndrome can possibly be genetic but that's not confirmed decisively yet in the medical world.
It's your health and you have to be serious on it at your doctors. If you want to have something checked out, you should have the availability to do that.
That said, you can save alot of time finding out wether or not it's a more simple cause like a constriction or circulation problem.
How big is your actual varicocele and is it painful? And how long did you have it, and at what age did it start? Did it start out as a small one and grew later on or was it big from the start? If you can fill me out on this I could give you more information.
Did they do the ultrasound on your left chest or somewhere directly below? If not, then they haven't checked for Nutcracker syndrome yet.
Basically you can tell the doctor that you've read about Nutcracker syndrome being an actual possible cause for varicocele which is prevalent among all ages, and ask if you can get a CT scan or X-Ray or MRI for that, or ask your urologist or any doctor you're gonna visit. You can even print out the articles and studies about it and take them with you to show them. I did that before for something different (A medical case journal about a young person who abused steroids with a coronary artery blockage, for my chest pain) and I got a referral to my cardiologist at that time. Just type "Nutcracker syndrome" on Google search to find all articles on it. Nutcracker syndrome can possibly be genetic but that's not confirmed decisively yet in the medical world.
It's your health and you have to be serious on it at your doctors. If you want to have something checked out, you should have the availability to do that.
That said, you can save alot of time finding out wether or not it's a more simple cause like a constriction or circulation problem.
How big is your actual varicocele and is it painful? And how long did you have it, and at what age did it start? Did it start out as a small one and grew later on or was it big from the start? If you can fill me out on this I could give you more information.
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Here is a study:
Varicocele and Nutcracker Syndrome - Mohamadi - 2010 - Journal of Ultrasound in Medicine - Wiley Online Library
"Conclusions. Our findings indicate that nutcracker syndrome is a frequent finding in varicocele-affected patients and should be routinely excluded as a possible cause of varicocele. In addition, intrinsic anatomic differences in the AMP and hilar portion of the LRV could be directly responsible for the onset of varicocele."
Varicocele and Nutcracker Syndrome - Mohamadi - 2010 - Journal of Ultrasound in Medicine - Wiley Online Library
"Conclusions. Our findings indicate that nutcracker syndrome is a frequent finding in varicocele-affected patients and should be routinely excluded as a possible cause of varicocele. In addition, intrinsic anatomic differences in the AMP and hilar portion of the LRV could be directly responsible for the onset of varicocele."
Hello Nikitis,
My varicocele appeared out of the blue when I was 19, 2 years ago. It is very big, 3th grade diagnosed and on the left side . But I feel like it is more like 4th grade, if there is something like that. The veins are very very hard, like cords. The first 1 year it hurted a lot but now it is turned into more of a numb but very unpleasant sensation.
It also appeared right after jelqing injury + very strong kegel. Right after the injury I could not use the muscles which control peeing.
Thats about it.
Thank you in advance
I would really like to know as to how I can find out if it is constriction or circulation problem.
My varicocele appeared out of the blue when I was 19, 2 years ago. It is very big, 3th grade diagnosed and on the left side . But I feel like it is more like 4th grade, if there is something like that. The veins are very very hard, like cords. The first 1 year it hurted a lot but now it is turned into more of a numb but very unpleasant sensation.
It also appeared right after jelqing injury + very strong kegel. Right after the injury I could not use the muscles which control peeing.
Thats about it.
Thank you in advance
I would really like to know as to how I can find out if it is constriction or circulation problem.
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Hello Nikitis,
My varicocele appeared out of the blue when I was 19, 2 years ago. It is very big, 3th grade diagnosed and on the left side . But I feel like it is more like 4th grade, if there is something like that. The veins are very very hard, like cords. The first 1 year it hurted a lot but now it is turned into more of a numb but very unpleasant sensation.
It also appeared right after jelqing injury + very strong kegel. Right after the injury I could not use the muscles which control peeing.
Thats about it.
Thank you in advance
I would really like to know as to how I can find out if it is constriction or circulation problem.
Okay. Step 1. Have you tried finding out if your affected testicle is spinned 180 degrees? You gotta make sure that the veins that are on top of your testicle are on the back of your testicle and not on the front. It makes a ton of difference when you correct a faulty position of a testicle with a varicocele.
Step 2. After you have made this sure, do the exercise in the following video at 11:25 https://youtu.be/J6tueuGlo1Q
Do it on both your left and right leg. See if your varicocele diminishes. If it does, bingo, it's a constriction problem.
Your success with step 2 will be bigger and most likely if step 1 is secured.
If all of this fails, you can try a circulation booster. Get some cayenne pepper capsules, open one up and put the content of the capsule in a glass of warm water, and drink this up completely. Do this in the morning and in the evening. You will see results in 2 to 3 days. After doing it for 3 days feel if your varicocele has improved. Also, you can try the taoist massage. You can also buy Cinnamon & poria pill aka gui zhi fu ling wan supplements and use those, you will see results with those in 3 days too. There is no other way to find out if it's a circulation problem other than applying circulation boosting supplements or techniques. But make sure you check for a constriction problem first or else it won't work.
Here is the link to the taoist massage. This will boost circulation locally too:
Tapping and Rolling Testicles Massage (for men only) | Tantric and Taoist Practices, Massages and Techniques for Improving Sexual Health and Quality
Another technique is putting your legs against a wall upwards with your lower body also against the wall, to let gravity allow the blood to flow downwards to the heart. Do this for 10 minutes.
Again, first do the constriction check. If you're definitely sure it's not that, you are clear to do the circulation check. If you're definitely sure that's not it either, then it's most likely Nutcracker syndrome or in rare cases a renal tumor and you'll have to visit your doctor to rule BOTH of these out. Nutcracker Syndrome is more likely to be it than the renal tumor ofcourse so ask for a check for that FIRST.
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I forgot to add, a general massage of the testicles with both hands with your thumbs while relaxing is also something you can try to see if the varicocele shrinks. If it does, it's definitely not Nutcracker syndrome or a renal tumor, and is either a constriction or circulation problem. It can be both because I'm unsure with what mechanism the testicles massage works, in my case I felt a relaxing sensation in my lower belly and the varicocele shrunk significantly so most likely a constriction problem but it can boost circulation too according to the taoist massage website so the only thing you're ruling out with it is the Nutcracker syndrome and renal tumor.
Nikitis thank you very much for such a detailed and helpfull response.
What makes me feel riddled, is these facts:
1.)When doing Reverse Kegels The varicocele worsens.
2.) After stretching the ilipsoas muscles, no change in varicocele ( done the stretch in the video btw )
3.) I would have thought the varicocele is due nutcracker or renal tumor, but it is very high unlikely because the varicocele popped up right after jelqing injury. The very next morning actually, and it was huge and still is huge. So there was no gradual progression, it was sudden.
These facts make me go hmm...
The only change I notice is how my left testicle is getting smaller and smaller. So I feel like I got nothing to lose by doing the surgery.
What makes me feel riddled, is these facts:
1.)When doing Reverse Kegels The varicocele worsens.
2.) After stretching the ilipsoas muscles, no change in varicocele ( done the stretch in the video btw )
3.) I would have thought the varicocele is due nutcracker or renal tumor, but it is very high unlikely because the varicocele popped up right after jelqing injury. The very next morning actually, and it was huge and still is huge. So there was no gradual progression, it was sudden.
These facts make me go hmm...
The only change I notice is how my left testicle is getting smaller and smaller. So I feel like I got nothing to lose by doing the surgery.
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You can still try boosting circulation with either Gui zhi Fu Ling Wan pills or cayenne pepper capsules. There is a study in which 40 out of 50 varicoceles dissapeared after using Gui Zhi fu Ling Wan. Ofcourse you are free to do whatever you want, the surgery is a possibility to. Just know there is a recurrence rate with it. Embolization has a couple of horror stories to it, unsure if those are trustworthy or not but I do believe they're real. Can be read here: AGAINST VARICOCELE EMBOLIZATION | Lessons from personal experience
It doesn't have to be your iliopsoas muscle. It can be other tight muscles in the pelvic floor muscles. If you tried all exercises that are adviced on this subject on Pegym and elsewhere and really nothing works, then you can be more certain it is truly not that. Jelqing can cause imbalance of the pelvic floor muscles.
If it's due to valves that are bust, I can't seem to understand the connection to a jelqing injury so in that same fashion it is as much likely as it is Nutcracker syndrome. But that is just my opinion. The valves are not in the varicocele, they are way up in the gonadal vein in your torso. There's supplements that help valve health and are known to fix Varicose veins like horde chestnut and OPC. You just gotta figure out what is applicable in your case.
Did you try putting your legs up against a wall for 10 minutes?
Anyways your decision bro. If you sense it is urgent by all due means and don't want to weigh out other options and are aware of the risks of surgery and embolization visit your doctor for a surgery consult. Good luck and keep us updated!
It doesn't have to be your iliopsoas muscle. It can be other tight muscles in the pelvic floor muscles. If you tried all exercises that are adviced on this subject on Pegym and elsewhere and really nothing works, then you can be more certain it is truly not that. Jelqing can cause imbalance of the pelvic floor muscles.
If it's due to valves that are bust, I can't seem to understand the connection to a jelqing injury so in that same fashion it is as much likely as it is Nutcracker syndrome. But that is just my opinion. The valves are not in the varicocele, they are way up in the gonadal vein in your torso. There's supplements that help valve health and are known to fix Varicose veins like horde chestnut and OPC. You just gotta figure out what is applicable in your case.
Did you try putting your legs up against a wall for 10 minutes?
Anyways your decision bro. If you sense it is urgent by all due means and don't want to weigh out other options and are aware of the risks of surgery and embolization visit your doctor for a surgery consult. Good luck and keep us updated!
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There is also the possibility of a nutrient deficiency which can be iodine, vitamin K, zinc, selenium, vitamin E, and others. As well as a enlarged colon which pushes against the gonadal vein. I had a mild case of that.
Enlarged colon can be fixed with probiotics.
Enlarged colon can be fixed with probiotics.
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Minor update: Vitamin D3 in a dosage of around 4,000 to 5,000 IU definitely triggers my varicocele to expand significantly to the point it starts hurting. I remember back in 2015 I was adviced by a bodybuilder nutrition advisor on an online board to supplement with 4,000 IU vitamin D3 and PS every day after I quit my T injections and that was the moment my ball started hurting for the first time in my life and I discovered my varicocele. The advisor guy said he had no clue what it could be and told me to visit a doctor.
Now, 2 years later, I supplement with a vitamin D3 5,000 IU pill, and my varicocele starts bloating again and becoming painful, in a period it had called down alot.
Because my varicocele is muscle-related I suspect the vitamin D3 to exacerbate it through it's muscle-strenghtening properties, as well as drastically upregulating calcium absorption which in itself is the primary mineral that makes muscles contract.
Apparently vitamin D3 makes blood vessels relax (thereby widen) according to studies. Vitamin D3 also boosts nitric oxide in studies.
So measuring in all these factors, I can conclude that in my case, a varicocele caused by suspected compression in the iliopsoas, vitamin D3 is a definitive negative for my varicocele and can worsen it.
I can't conclude wether it's the muscle strenghtening & contracting effects or the nitric oxide boosting effect that is the primary negative factor in my case.
Now, 2 years later, I supplement with a vitamin D3 5,000 IU pill, and my varicocele starts bloating again and becoming painful, in a period it had called down alot.
Because my varicocele is muscle-related I suspect the vitamin D3 to exacerbate it through it's muscle-strenghtening properties, as well as drastically upregulating calcium absorption which in itself is the primary mineral that makes muscles contract.
Apparently vitamin D3 makes blood vessels relax (thereby widen) according to studies. Vitamin D3 also boosts nitric oxide in studies.
So measuring in all these factors, I can conclude that in my case, a varicocele caused by suspected compression in the iliopsoas, vitamin D3 is a definitive negative for my varicocele and can worsen it.
I can't conclude wether it's the muscle strenghtening & contracting effects or the nitric oxide boosting effect that is the primary negative factor in my case.
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I forgot to add, a general massage of the testicles with both hands with your thumbs while relaxing is also something you can try to see if the varicocele shrinks. If it does, it's definitely not Nutcracker syndrome or a renal tumor, and is either a constriction or circulation problem. It can be both because I'm unsure with what mechanism the testicles massage works, in my case I felt a relaxing sensation in my lower belly and the varicocele shrunk significantly so most likely a constriction problem but it can boost circulation too according to the taoist massage website so the only thing you're ruling out with it is the Nutcracker syndrome and renal tumor.
i massaged my balls right now n felt the veins shrink a lil. wow this is a breakthrough. any further steps to take to fix things?
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What's your pelvic floor health status? When you did the massaging, did you feel a sensation in your lower belly?i massaged my balls right now n felt the veins shrink a lil. wow this is a breakthrough. any further steps to take to fix things?
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What's your pelvic floor health status? When you did the massaging, did you feel a sensation in your lower belly?
im recovering from CPPS. Funny thing is im not even a PE guy. This forum has been of great help with my condition tho. As of now i think the pelvic floor tension is reducing. i dont have a physical therapist to do any biofeedback with so i have no idea what the tension is like. i didnt really feel any sensation in the belly.
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Did you have a varicocele before your CPPS symptoms first started showing? And at what age did your varicocele develop? Does your varicocele has any association with pain levels in your CPPS? (For example: more pain, bigger varicocele; less pain, smaller varicocele)
Can you try to do the massaging again and see if the veins shrink more? And report on any feelings you get if you get them, like for instance in the belly? And see for how far you can shrink the veins? (10% 20% dilation etc)
Also, how is your overall body pose? Do you tend to hunch your back forward at times? Or towards any other unhealthy position?
Can you try to do the massaging again and see if the veins shrink more? And report on any feelings you get if you get them, like for instance in the belly? And see for how far you can shrink the veins? (10% 20% dilation etc)
Also, how is your overall body pose? Do you tend to hunch your back forward at times? Or towards any other unhealthy position?
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Did you have a varicocele before your CPPS symptoms first started showing? And at what age did your varicocele develop? Does your varicocele has any association with pain levels in your CPPS? (For example: more pain, bigger varicocele; less pain, smaller varicocele)
Can you try to do the massaging again and see if the veins shrink more? And report on any feelings you get if you get them, like for instance in the belly? And see for how far you can shrink the veins? (10% 20% dilation etc)
Also, how is your overall body pose? Do you tend to hunch your back forward at times? Or towards any other unhealthy position?
im 28 now. i got a varicocele with a cyst when i was 14. yeah i hunch forward when i walk. its something ive had for a while i guess. i dont have much pain. sometimes it aches a lil. but i never really had any pain to speak of.
i massaged again. didnt get any sensation in the belly. i dunno how far its shrunk. i think i have type 2 or 1 type varicocele.
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Also does your varicocele hurt on its own? Did you feel your CPPS pain somewhere different than your varicocele if your varicocele hurt to?
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Right. Hunching forward could be a sign of a shortened and/or tight iliopsoas. In my varicocele case it is caused primarily by a shortened iliopsoas which could be tight as well. Secondary by pelvic floor imbalance, and tertiary by an enlarged colon.
So stretching exercises that stretch the iliopsoas and/or exercises that release the iliopsoas could help. You can Google and YouTube search for those. The archer stretch helps alot for mine.
What the testicular massaging means in your case is that the varicocele is not caused by what urologists like to ascribe it to 100% of times which is failing valves. If your varicocele was caused by failing valves massaging your testicles wouldn't help your varicocele shrink.
If none of the iliopsoas exercises work for your varicocele, we have to rule out pelvic floor and enlarged colon. Once we've ruled out all of those compressions we can start thinking of general localized circulation impediment and help that out. Improving circulation prematurely without having ruled out a compression could potentially harm the varicocele condition even further.
So stretching exercises that stretch the iliopsoas and/or exercises that release the iliopsoas could help. You can Google and YouTube search for those. The archer stretch helps alot for mine.
What the testicular massaging means in your case is that the varicocele is not caused by what urologists like to ascribe it to 100% of times which is failing valves. If your varicocele was caused by failing valves massaging your testicles wouldn't help your varicocele shrink.
If none of the iliopsoas exercises work for your varicocele, we have to rule out pelvic floor and enlarged colon. Once we've ruled out all of those compressions we can start thinking of general localized circulation impediment and help that out. Improving circulation prematurely without having ruled out a compression could potentially harm the varicocele condition even further.
