The commonest major problem in curing PE... SOLUTION !

[spanky]

Same here; regular kegeling or reverse kegeling while sex/stimulation makes me want to get off faster, except I don't agree with what you said about relaxing the muscles. For me, relaxing my PC and BC muscles as for none of them to have any influence on my prostate does make me last longer, except I really can't keep it relaxed that much, if at all, for a very long time.
I'm seriously starting to feel hopeless, no progress is being noticed.

Countering the unvoluntary flexing of the PC muscle seem's impossible to do, and being in a position where when I push a reverse kegel, it still makes me urge to finish off and get's me closer to PONR, I really don't see anymore what I can do to counter these unvoluntary kegel's.


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Practice practice practice!

You *can* beat involuntaries. They're a symptom of your pelvic floor being out of whack and too tense. The more you work on it the more you'll notice that you've probably got a low level background tension all the time. RKs help with that, as does a normal kegel routine (outside of sex/masturbation as mentioned). The stronger a kegel you can hold, the more you'll be able to relax when you let it go, and I'll bet you that you start to feel like your whole plevic floor is way more relaxed than normal when that happens. The ideal is probably for you to be able to get your pelvic floor muscles that relaxed during sex - at least at the start.

And that takes practice.

On the subject of "lots of fucking" being a real help, I think part of that is mental too, when sex becomes something you're just getting on with and enjoying rather than being a challenge or a task. In that mental place you're gonna find it a lot easier to keep your mind and pelvic floor relaxed, largely because you won't be thinking about it I guess. That was my experience anyway, that when sex was on tap, often I could just up and go, and suddenly find myself banging away with aplomb.

 

[Pegasus]

Here is Spanky's thread giving an overview of treatment for pre e.
https://www.pegym.com/forums/premat...so-far-about-pe-its-causes-its-treatment.html

 

[second lensman]

DR. Lensman prescribes an intense regimen of sexual encounters as many times as you can get it until you become totally bored with it at which time you be dismayed because you can no longer achieve orgasm.

 

[naturesucks]

Something that has really worked for me lately is to try to walk around all day semi reverse kegled. Like your forcing your dick out and encouraging blood into it. Do it with a Fuck you attitude to. Like your the biggest Dick in the room and you could satisfy any girl in the room and only cum when you want to. When masturbating/edging keep this mind frame and make sure you don't involuntarily kegal. Tell your pc what its going to do. Keep the attitude that you don't cum until your good and ready and you can go as long as you Damn well please. That you are in complete control of the situation. Keeping your pc very relaxed as to encourage more flow to your penis. Fake it til u make it.

This doesn't make sense. If you go around constantly reverse kegeling you'll piss on your pants.

 

[naturesucks]

There are any number of threads and posts on this and it is a very simple process. Build up reverse kegel strength with an out of sex training routine until it matches kegel strength. Now this may take time and effort, like lots of other things in life. Many ,very many guys have done this ,others would rather whiine than do the work ,thay get no sympathy from me.

And others have gone throught disciplined and constant kegel routines like me to notice 0 changes.

 

[Pegasus]

This doesn't make sense. If you go around constantly reverse kegeling you'll piss on your pants.

This statement shows you have never have a disciplined or consistent kegel /reverse kegel routine, as do many of your other posts.
That is aside from me being here awhile,I know your history.

 

[actionbuddy]

DR. Lensman prescribes an intense regimen of sexual encounters as many times as you can get it until you become totally bored with it at which time you be dismayed because you can no longer achieve orgasm.

OK, then, I will NOT be making an appointment to visit "Dr." Lensman!

 

[cockster]

@Pegasus,

I'd like to state my issue here, and that you with your vast knowledge and experience would give me some advice. If you prefer I can start another thread.

What happens is I think I got my PC and BC muscles tensing all the time, maybe for some anxiety or any psychological reason, and that I believe has been preventing me to have involuntary natural erections, causing me to have some level of erectile disfuntion. I know I don't have physical problems because i can get rock hard erections evetually when I do my own kind of relaxation and a good mind stimulus aswell. Adding to that and closing a vicious cicle i get nervous because i dont have that "i wanna have sex now" feeling in my dick and end up avoiding sex.
So I want to know if a kegel and reverse kegel could help me strengthen and relax my pc/bc muscles giving me more of a nice feeling in my dick and also improving my overall self confidence?
Also, sometimes when I am having sex with a good erection i get to PONR really fast, which is odd, cause sometimes it takes some effort to get hard and when it happens i feel the urge really quick, which is also very annoing.
Adding to all that I think I am kinda frustated by my size which is somewhere over 6", but i still cant be happy with cause I think I dont really givem them girls pleasure as they arent feeling a nice big fat cock on them...

give me some light please... thanks

 

[cockster]

I should mention that I know kegels for a while and do it sometimes and I know it helped me get harder erctions and evetually some control as to hold the ejaculation, but REVERSE kegels I just got to know, so it sounds to me that a good balance between k and rk should sort me out almost completely... i am being optmistic... thanks again...

 

[second lensman]

OK, then, I will NOT be making an appointment to visit "Dr." Lensman!

Fair enough action. I was only kidding around.

 

[naturesucks]

This statement shows you have never have a disciplined or consistent kegel /reverse kegel routine, as do many of your other posts.
That is aside from me being here awhile,I know your history.

Yeah, try to hold a hard reverse kegel with a blader full of piss. This is as retarded as claiming you can do a 100% isolated reverse kegel. There will always be a certain tension on your lower abs. It's as dumb as saying you can isolate a deltoid flex. Other muscles around the deltoid will always be involved. Take some biology classes.

I've been doing kegels-reverse kegels for 2 years. If you don't want to beleive it has done nothing to cure my premature ejaculation so you can feel better about it it's not my problem.

 

[dingdong123]

wow 2 years.....i've been doing half a year or more but see no improvement too....i hold R/k for more than a minute for many times per day ..i don't think there will be delayed ejaculation for me

saw alot article saying avoid the frenulum avoid the frenulum.....but for us uncircumcised the whole foreskin = frenulum

at 70% erection just by tapping on the foreskin i can reach near ponr....

at 95-100% erection...just by taping on the foreskin i get involuntary kegel

they say kegel = better harder erection

i say frenulum/foreskin stroking = better erection

frenulum/foreskin stroking = kegel (ever wonder why we have to stop when near ponr?)

rubbing on the head ( i feel want to pee, sometimes peed when i rub on the head) = reverse kegel (pushing pee?)

 

[Pegasus]

Yeah, try to hold a hard reverse kegel with a blader full of piss. This is as retarded as claiming you can do a 100% isolated reverse kegel. There will always be a certain tension on your lower abs. It's as dumb as saying you can isolate a deltoid flex. Other muscles around the deltoid will always be involved. Take some biology classes.

I've been doing kegels-reverse kegels for 2 years. If you don't want to beleive it has done nothing to cure my premature ejaculation so you can feel better about it it's not my problem.

No, you have been whinging,bitching and moaning for 2 years ,a look at your post history will show anyone that. There are also "tells" in your posts that show you have done little or no reverse kegeling.
If you want to try surgury go ahead. At the moment you are helping no one including yourself.

 

[naturesucks]

No, you have been whinging,bitching and moaning for 2 years ,a look at your post history will show anyone that. There are also "tells" in your posts that show you have done little or no reverse kegeling.
If you want to try surgury go ahead. At the moment you are helping no one including yourself.

I have done solid reverse kegel/kegel routines for two years before joining this forum. I've been on Thundersplace before being on there. Yes i type sh*t because PE makes any man frustrated and that's the outcome. This doesn't change the fact i've done 40% kegel/60% RKegel ratio routine for 2 years, again. The stuff you've read here is irrelevant since the exercise has been done, and things didn't got any better. Please aknowledge the fact that those exercises may not be efective for everyone. That's all.

 

[TurtleProblems]

Edging/ballooning, pretty much lots of stamina work.

 

[HardOn]

Back on everyone, was off for a while for Christmas !

Still no noticable progress, but I keep on stuck to my routine and edging at night.

Thanks Spanky, I think I understand a little more the role and importance the edging and kegeling routine each have in beating PE, and I think the poll show's nothing but approval of that, considering all 3 have an important percentage of votes. So, following what you said, I shouldn't completly concentrate on reverse kegel's and still do a good number of regular ones ?

Naturesucks, I ain't trying to take anyone's side but, doing reverse kegel's on a regular basis (not only doing 10, maybe 30 to 45 per day) has helped me and I truly think it is part of the solution, so I dont see how they could not help you. Maybe you are not doing them right, or not at a great enough intensity ? Only suggestions here.

Cockster, I think you should have created a post for your question, but still, I can relate to what you say; it does happen to me, though not always.

Now just throwing out a hypothesis to bypass my problem wich is me not really being able to edge for long, if I follow all what was said until now (more precisely Spanky's statement), then I would need to continue my kegel routine of about 70 % reverse kegel's and the other 30 % regular ones to strenghten and balance my pelvic floor, and this would prevent more and more of the unvoluntary kegel's who occure with stimulation, so eventually I would be able to edge for longer periods of time ? Now when I edge, I almost feel it's useless because I reach PONR so fast, and without being able to do so while suppressing the unvoluntary kegel's. Then there would be an order to things :
1. Getting to balance the pelvic floor muscles (to remove the unvoluntary kegel's).
2. Practicing edging/balooning (to decrease the sensitivity of the penis).
Althrough that, we would need to learn to control our breathing.
I don't add doing the act itself, because not everyone can do so, or (people like me) feel insecure doing so and getting off so fast, wich would bore whatever girl and leave her unsatisfied, aswell as leave you a reputation of 1 pump man. I feel like I should get to a certain point of beating PE before adding the real thing to my path of beating PE, but you know, that's just me.

I want to thank everyone who takes time to answer because I don't think you are only helping me here, keep it up !
Hope y'all passing great holiday's.


HardOn