The Advanced "Jelq Free" Routine

[TheUnit]

Quick success update, hopefully it's not because my initial measurements were off since I only measured once before the routine.

After 6 weeks doing this routine and 1 week rest I went from:

Bpel: 7.0625 to 7.25
Meg: 5.25 to 5.5
Bpfsl: 7.0625 to 7.5

I started out slow at 100 side to sides and 5 squeezes and I'm currently at 200 side to sides and 20 squeezes. May just be EQ but I don't feel like my EQ has gone up a lot.

I'm doing 2 on 1 off for time sake.
Squeezes day 1
Side to side day 2
Rest day 3

I think I'll stay at 200/20 for these next 6 weeks to hopefully encourage the less is more mentality.

 

[Big Al]

Quick success update, hopefully it's not because my initial measurements were off since I only measured once before the routine.

After 6 weeks doing this routine and 1 week rest I went from:

Bpel: 7.0625 to 7.25
Meg: 5.25 to 5.5
Bpfsl: 7.0625 to 7.5

I started out slow at 100 side to sides and 5 squeezes and I'm currently at 200 side to sides and 20 squeezes. May just be EQ but I don't feel like my EQ has gone up a lot.

I'm doing 2 on 1 off for time sake.
Squeezes day 1
Side to side day 2
Rest day 3

I think I'll stay at 200/20 for these next 6 weeks to hopefully encourage the less is more mentality.

Staying static for a cycle may cause a plateau simply because you aren't challenging yourself. You'll need to do something each session in order to force progress.

 

[TheUnit]

Ok good feedback. I'll add 1 squeeze and 20 s2s each session.

 

[volevn]

Hi Big Al. Two questions I have, just discovered this thread after searching for non-jelq routines as I really hate jelqing.

I know it's individual for everyone but on average from your observation, how much length can be gained with this method for X amount of time? For example let's say 6 months/1 year/2 years?

I read a few pages already, will read more tomorrow but am I wrong in thinking you only do this routine for 6 weeks and then stop?

 

[Big Al]

Hi Big Al. Two questions I have, just discovered this thread after searching for non-jelq routines as I really hate jelqing.

I know it's individual for everyone but on average from your observation, how much length can be gained with this method for X amount of time? For example let's say 6 months/1 year/2 years?

I read a few pages already, will read more tomorrow but am I wrong in thinking you only do this routine for 6 weeks and then stop?

A sizable number of clients have done quite well with the Jelq Free and continue to use it or a variant for long term training. It's modular, so upgrading/changing out exercises is easy.

Note the number of clients from this study who've used the JF in some capacity: Big gainers

 

[hosseinpink]

Hi big
I used another routine and now I added s2s for a week.
My routine was warm up>normal stretch ,circle stretch, > v and ^ jelq each 100 > 50 kegels> edging> warm down
Now I'm adding s2s to my routine which is:
Warm up> normal stretch 5 min> circle stretch 5 min> blend stretch 5 min> s2s now 200 reps I will do up to 1000 > v and ^ jelq 100 >50 kegels > edging 20 min > cool down.
Do you see my new routine is fine?
I do it 3 times a week.

 

[Big Al]

Hi big
I used another routine and now I added s2s for a week.
My routine was warm up>normal stretch ,circle stretch, > v and ^ jelq each 100 > 50 kegels> edging> warm down
Now I'm adding s2s to my routine which is:
Warm up> normal stretch 5 min> circle stretch 5 min> blend stretch 5 min> s2s now 200 reps I will do up to 1000 > v and ^ jelq 100 >50 kegels > edging 20 min > cool down.
Do you see my new routine is fine?
I do it 3 times a week.

IMO, three separate stretches are overkill. Pick the ONE stretch you feel gives you the best quality of elongation during and after a session and focus your energies on it.

 

[hosseinpink]

IMO, three separate stretches are overkill. Pick the ONE stretch you feel gives you the best quality of elongation during and after a session and focus your energies on it.

Thank you.
I thought I splitting them into three days:
Monday ... normal stretch> s2s
Wednsday ....blend stretch> s2s
Friday> .... circular> s2s
I wanna do 3 cycles of s2s with this routine.

 

[wheeler775]

Hey BigAl,

Couple quick questions for you. I just finished the first 6 weeks.

Every single time I did the s2s stretches, I started getting an erection every 30 or so stretches. I took your advice when I asked you previously what to do when getting past 50% erection, and pinched the glans, but it still took about 30 seconds before I could continue doing another 30 stretches. So ultimately, it was more like sets instead of one long stretching set. Is that bad?

Secondly, After the six weeks, I measured and my numbers seem odd. Not sure what to make of them. Girth showed maybe 0.1 inch gain, which was good. As far as length though, I measured initially three ways, bone pressed while standing straight up, bone pressed while sitting, and not bone pressed standing up (just touching the fat pad).
The results were:
Not bone pressed, and bone pressed sitting down there were no changes at all in length.
However, when I measured bone pressed standing up, I gained about 0.25 inches, although I gained no weight at all so the fat pad didn't change. Does that make any sense? How could I gain length only bone pressed standing up, and not bone pressed sitting down or not bone pressed standing up. Do you think I made a mistake measuring the bone pressed standing up previously, and more than likely didn't make gains there either?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Big Al]

Every single time I did the s2s stretches, I started getting an erection every 30 or so stretches. I took your advice when I asked you previously what to do when getting past 50% erection, and pinched the glans, but it still took about 30 seconds before I could continue doing another 30 stretches. So ultimately, it was more like sets instead of one long stretching set. Is that bad?

It's not "bad", just to be expected. Over time, you should adapt to the stretch and won't be as prone to getting erect. Another solution could be to perform your stretches BEFORE your Squeezes.

Secondly, After the six weeks, I measured and my numbers seem odd. Not sure what to make of them. Girth showed maybe 0.1 inch gain, which was good. As far as length though, I measured initially three ways, bone pressed while standing straight up, bone pressed while sitting, and not bone pressed standing up (just touching the fat pad).
The results were:
Not bone pressed, and bone pressed sitting down there were no changes at all in length.
However, when I measured bone pressed standing up, I gained about 0.25 inches, although I gained no weight at all so the fat pad didn't change. Does that make any sense? How could I gain length only bone pressed standing up, and not bone pressed sitting down or not bone pressed standing up. Do you think I made a mistake measuring the bone pressed standing up previously, and more than likely didn't make gains there either?

If you measured under the same conditions and using the same methods as you did last, then consider it a gain.

Measuring standing or lying down with the hips thrust slightly forward will give the best measure for length. Measuring seated can be tricky, as even a slight change in pelvic angle will affect the measure.

 

[wheeler775]

It's not "bad", just to be expected. Over time, you should adapt to the stretch and won't be as prone to getting erect. Another solution could be to perform your stretches BEFORE your Squeezes.



If you measured under the same conditions and using the same methods as you did last, then consider it a gain.

Measuring standing or lying down with the hips thrust slightly forward will give the best measure for length. Measuring seated can be tricky, as even a slight change in pelvic angle will affect the measure.

Thanks for your response!

I tried doing stretches before the squeeze and it didn't seem to make a difference. The only time I've been able to do the full stretching amount without taking breaks was to do it immediately (about 5 min) after ejaculation. But I've read that it's bad to do that for gains so I stopped doing it.

So continuing to make it sets instead of non stop will be okay in your opinion? I'm sure it will lessen any gains compared to doing it without stopping but if it still works and the only way I can do it, I'm happy with that.

And copy regarding the measurements. But even if I remove the seated measurement due to possible pelvic angle, does it make sense that there were only gains for bone pressed, and no gains for not bone pressed just touching the fat pad?
I gained no weight and the fat pad felt the same, so i found it very odd how gains were only bone pressed. Wouls love for it to be a gain, just don't want to be overly optimistic.

 

[Big Al]

Glad to help!

For now, all you can do is to be conscious to not do anything to arouse yourself during the stretch. Use as light a grip as needed to maintain the stretch, as this should not only help it's also a safer and less stressful way to stretch.

The variables involved in using NBP or even seated measures is why I don't recommend it for assessing RAW gains.

The optimal way to measure length, IMO:

To measure the length of your penis in the erect state properly, simply take a tape measure and press the end as far back as it will go against your pubic bone on top of your penis (some men prefer to measure from the bottom, but results will be more accurate with measuring from the top.)

Run the tape along the curve of your penis all the way to the end of the glans. Record measurement. Measure every 2 weeks.

 

[wheeler775]

Hadn't read about the tape measure way. Will definitely be doing that from now on.

My grip has been pretty tight got stretches, maybe that's been part of the problem. I'll try the lighter grip after the week break and see if it helps. Thanks a lot!!

 

[wheeler775]

Oh forgot to ask. Along with a softer grip, do you think it's a bad idea to maybe once every 3 sessions do the routine immediately after ejaculation? As I mentioned I felt like i got the best stretches after doing that and although it's not recommended, i thought maybe giving it a try and seeing how it impacts progress? Or do you think that it's really completely counterproductive?

 

[koky]

Big Al, do you support the Loss of Tug (LOT) theory?

Because, if we look in LOT, in my case, i loss the tug when i stretch straight down (6:00) , so if i want gains, i should stretch straight out and up, but side to side is for straight down.

Should i believe the LOT and change the angle of side to side (do it straight out/up), change the exercise or should i reject LOT and stick to the program?

 

[Big Al]

Oh forgot to ask. Along with a softer grip, do you think it's a bad idea to maybe once every 3 sessions do the routine immediately after ejaculation? As I mentioned I felt like i got the best stretches after doing that and although it's not recommended, i thought maybe giving it a try and seeing how it impacts progress? Or do you think that it's really completely counterproductive?

You have many good questions and concerns. I'd be happy to assist you further via meCOACH.

 

[Big Al]

Big Al, do you support the Loss of Tug (LOT) theory?

Because, if we look in LOT, in my case, i loss the tug when i stretch straight down (6:00) , so if i want gains, i should stretch straight out and up, but side to side is for straight down.

Should i believe the LOT and change the angle of side to side (do it straight out/up), change the exercise or should i reject LOT and stick to the program?

The LOT might have some merit, but remember that there are a lot of variables that could affect one's initial estimation of their LOT. Some people kegeled or stretched their penises long before knowing about PE. Also, some people just have ligs with amazing stretching capabilities. The expansion of the tunica also plays a part in length gains.

Funny enough, my ligs were actually quite loose when I started PEing, and I added about 2 inches in length in the 3 months or so that I spent PEing. They're fairly tight now. I don't do any active stretching anymore- just lots of kegels and stamina work.

The LOT theory sounds a lot like the effect of tendon insertions in bone affecting muscular strength- e.g.- if your biceps tendon attaches farther down the radius, you'll be able to generate more leverage and lift more.

 

[koky]

The LOT might have some merit, but remember that there are a lot of variables that could affect one's initial estimation of their LOT. Some people kegeled or stretched their penises long before knowing about PE. Also, some people just have ligs with amazing stretching capabilities. The expansion of the tunica also plays a part in length gains.

Funny enough, my ligs were actually quite loose when I started PEing, and I added about 2 inches in length in the 3 months or so that I spent PEing. They're fairly tight now. I don't do any active stretching anymore- just lots of kegels and stamina work.

The LOT theory sounds a lot like the effect of tendon insertions in bone affecting muscular strength- e.g.- if your biceps tendon attaches farther down the radius, you'll be able to generate more leverage and lift more.

Okay. So i will do as you wrote in the program.
Can we work like this schedule:
Mon: Squeezes, side to side, erect kegels
Tue: Edgind
Wed: Squeezes, side to side, erect kegels
Thur: Edging
Frid: Squeezes, side to side, erect kegels
Sat and sun maybe kegels and/ or edging

Or in Off days we should keep our hands off the penis?

 

[Big Al]

Okay. So i will do as you wrote in the program.
Can we work like this schedule:
Mon: Squeezes, side to side, erect kegels
Tue: Edgind
Wed: Squeezes, side to side, erect kegels
Thur: Edging
Frid: Squeezes, side to side, erect kegels
Sat and sun maybe kegels and/ or edging

Or in Off days we should keep our hands off the penis?

Your best bet would be to perform all of your training in one session- as the exercises have a synergistic effect.

On your off days, rest (except for sexual activity if you're sexually active).

A Mon/Tue/Thu/Fri type split would be optimal.

If you require in-depth assistance for your training, please consider the meCOACH service.

 

[MojoRisin]

Hey Big Al, I was perusing the top gainers section and came across your stats. Wow. 2 in length and 1.25 girth in 3 months.

We're both those gains in the same 3 month period? And solely from doing the jelq-free routine?

Cheers,
Mojo.