Solution to ALL PROBLEMS
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ok... just try EFT for your porn addiction or porn cravings when your mind is asking for it but you don't want to watch.
There is the free EFT manual there. What do you have to loose for trying? By trying there is the potential to gain... by being skeptic before you even try it, you can only loose. So give it a shot, even if it's crappy you loose maybe 5-10 minutes of your life. If it works, those will be the best 5-10 minutes. If it doesn't work, its 10 minutes that you would of wasted somehow anyway
Try it, you got nothing to loose
There is the free EFT manual there. What do you have to loose for trying? By trying there is the potential to gain... by being skeptic before you even try it, you can only loose. So give it a shot, even if it's crappy you loose maybe 5-10 minutes of your life. If it works, those will be the best 5-10 minutes. If it doesn't work, its 10 minutes that you would of wasted somehow anyway
Try it, you got nothing to loose
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Well I just spent 5 min I will never get back coming to the conclusion that you are a spammer.
Due to your length of time as a member however I will take this onto mod forum.
Due to your length of time as a member however I will take this onto mod forum.
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The mods think though you have posted a commercial link you get the benifit of the doubt.
I will take out the link, be aware you are walking a thin line.
I will take out the link, be aware you are walking a thin line.
For people who is interested.
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Here is the complete EFT Manual the OP was talking about. You can download it from the above link w/o paying anything.
I also found the links to all of his videos. (But those all pretty large, around 3.5gb total)
p.s To mods, please remove this if it's against the rule. Thanks.
MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service
Here is the complete EFT Manual the OP was talking about. You can download it from the above link w/o paying anything.
I also found the links to all of his videos. (But those all pretty large, around 3.5gb total)
p.s To mods, please remove this if it's against the rule. Thanks.
It is well known that a positive outlook helps you in life in all ways. Is it the solution to all problems? Well here's a challenge for anyone willing to take it. Go outside in your shorts and roll around in a patch of poson ivy.Get yourself good and covered. When the power of positive thinking cures you of the rash before you scratch your skin off I will be waiting right here for you to tell me.Silly isn't it. So if we don't think the power of positive thinking would cure us of poison ivy but it will make a cancer cell go into remission then we're postive but obviously not thinking. Does a good mental outlook help with cancer? Yes! Does it make those cell stop multiplying? No proof whatsoever. Do cancer cell just stop sometimes for reasons we don't know? Yes! We don't know why.There is never a solution to all problems just like there are no problems without solutions.Poison ivy anyone?
There you go, you answered your own doubts. Cancer cells do stop sometimes. Check out stories of people who got cured from cancer. The one thing they all have in common is a change in consciousness and a new way of seeing life. Our body does have the necessary tools to combat cancer, it's simply a matter of solving the root cause that caused it. Cancer and other dis-eases are simply symptoms, they are not the root cause.
Edit: and I promise that there are people who can do the poison ivy experiment that you said
. However, people would still not believe it simply because it's outside of their beliefs and they can't accept it. Did you guys see the story about the Indian yogi who did not eat for 70 years or something? Nobody believed him, so they took him 2 weeks under surveillance in an institute where they monitored him. Without eating, his blood tests were all in order. There are a lot of things we do not understand, however it does not make them un true. We can only learn new things when we acknowledge that our purely material science does not have the answer for everything.Can you see emotions? Can you see thoughts? Can you measure them? Do they exist? Yes.
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The body, and all it's positive thinking, did not prevent people from dying of small pox. In the middle ages where faith was so improtant it didn't really stop the bubonic plague.Scarlet fever, tuberculosis,meningitis,dithereia lead to death without treatment.We seem to focus on all the things medicine can't do so and we've forgotten what medicine has done.If you're septic due to a bacterial septicemia leading you to be delusional how does positive thinking help when you can't think? People who are in comas have no chance I guess. I'm not saying that positive thinking doesn't help; it does. But it is not the solution to all things. My issue with this whole thing is that people who could be saved and live a good life will listen to things like this, shun needed treatment, and will die. In reading what you've put out here and if a suspectible person were to read it, shun needed treatment and die, who's to blame? Oh, I know it's the person's individual choice. You must remember that many people are like sheep; they will simply follow at times without question because that's the way some people are. Those, with articles like this, will suffer and die. I just don't blame the guy with the gun that shoots and kills someone; I blame the guy who gave that guy the loaded gun knowing the potential hardship it may cause.
Pure conjecture. It's just not that simple. I agree you only need the tiniest change in outlook to dramatically alter your life, but as to the effects on your health and resistance to terminal diseases? Give me a break.
We know it doesn't. that's how science works. Belief and faith on the other hand refuses to acknowledge it doesn't. Hence the title of this thread. That's the ironic, and tragic difference, and why it makes us sciencey folk angry. Blind faith sets knowledge back 500 years.
Your point?
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You and the OP are both making very good arguments. The problem is that you are talking past one another.
You are basing your arguments on rational logic, which is NOT a bad thing. Its a very good thing and society owes most of its advances to what you subscribe to. I agree with you that positive thinking cannot solve EVERY problem. If a bullet is lodged in the grey matter of your brain there is very little positive, if any, thinking you can do to help it. So, in your defense, you are 100% correct in your belief that the OP is not to be trusted - from a rationalist point of view.
The OP is basing their arguments on faith and paradoxical experiences. Surviving 70 days without food is paradoxical because it does not harmonize with all of our years of scientific research on what the body requires; but it happened. This kind of stuff, and any other "positive thinking"/"placebo" effects, falls apart with rational thought. The only way to believe it is to experience it - the problem there is that you will probably not experience it if you doubt it can even happen. The mind is a powerful thing, we've established that, and it can supress or release experiences that are not logical.
The middle road is the best way to handle things like this. You don't need to make a decision. This topic was never a question to be answered. All it was was a possibility to be entertained. Kids, and some lucky adults who retain the skill, imagine things that will never happen and it brings them pleasure. The world kind of squashes that faith in the mind out of us through rational education. A little enlightenment is all it takes to understand that most of the questions in the world cannot be answered in the way we've been taught to (and are probably not even questions to begin with).
Oh c'mon now Cusp. That is hardly what the OP is suggesting, or perhaps I am misunderstanding him?
Good point. If we keep exposing ourselves to the same toxins, the root of the problem, we will never heal. Emotions, thoughts,feelings cannot be measured with numbers. They can be measured with facial expressions and body language. People who are in their own world cannot see these things in others. They just do not understand-they are wired that way. The truth is we all just don't know. Yes, there are facts that back up theory-all necessary. Positive thinking , spiritual thinking-all on another plane, if you will. Emotional intelligence, just another part of life we don't understand yet.There you go, you answered your own doubts. Cancer cells do stop sometimes. Check out stories of people who got cured from cancer. The one thing they all have in common is a change in consciousness and a new way of seeing life. Our body does have the necessary tools to combat cancer, it's simply a matter of solving the root cause that caused it. Cancer and other dis-eases are simply symptoms, they are not the root cause.
Edit: and I promise that there are people who can do the poison ivy experiment that you said
Can you see emotions? Can you see thoughts? Can you measure them? Do they exist? Yes.
I think the point is that science is very aware and cogniscent of placebo and psychosomatic effects. Unfortunately most people aren't.
As a result, the effect gets blurred with psychotherapeutic techniques and twisted to unscrupulous or naive people's needs (eg selling expensive seminars). It's just like organised religion and cults do, discrediting the established thought rather than enhancing it.
That's why things like this anger us "mainstream" thinkers. It's like the enlightenment never happened.
As a result, the effect gets blurred with psychotherapeutic techniques and twisted to unscrupulous or naive people's needs (eg selling expensive seminars). It's just like organised religion and cults do, discrediting the established thought rather than enhancing it.
That's why things like this anger us "mainstream" thinkers. It's like the enlightenment never happened.
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I enjoy this discussion because we are all learning something, even if we do not completely agree with one another.
I understand that you guys want hard nosed evidence in scientific journals. This is one of the many things I have been reading about, here is a direct quote from the article:
"Under a double-blind study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, doctors did the surgery on one group of patients, and for the other group, put them under general anesthesia, cut open the knee, swished water & clinked instruments, and sewed them back up. "Tests of knee functions revealed that the operation had not helped, and those who got the placebo surgery reported feeling just as good as those who had had the real operation."
I linked this because I think you guys like to see the words: Journal of Medicine
I read a journal article and it was explaining the 'penis fracture' accident which some people said they suffered from on this forum. It was interesting in the journal that it said that a certain guy fractured his penis, then went to bed, being completely sure that in the morning he would not be affected by it. He went to a check up after some time and everything was perfect. I remember reading about this when I was googling these types of things day and night. However, at that time I did not realize the importance of this particular case.
About the bubonic plague and the other things you said, I really can not comment because I am not aware of how people were in that time and how the situation was. There is a difference between 'blind faith' and an actual 'scientific faith' if you can say that. Unfortunately, most religious institutions do not teach the right message of faith, telling you that you are powerless and must pray to an external God. Jesus' message was great but unfortunately the religion that is based on Jesus does not convey the same message as Jesus. People in the time of the bubonic plague just believed they were some advanced animals. They were simply religious (listening to an institution), not Spiritual if that makes sense
Most people don't understand that nothing 'outside of them' can make them angry or upset. Say someone on the street calls you stupid. 99.999% of people will get mad, upset, or would be affected even if they would not show it. However, is that guy the source of your anger? No, it's simply you interpreting what he says. You are the one who chooses to give power to others words/actions. It's not the other person who hurts you, it's how you interpret it. If you get mad, it means you give him power.
(I'm aware that this last paragraph doesn't really fit in the discussion but, it's just something else to think about. We take it as 'normal' to be mad if someone does something, not even realizing that we ourselves make us mad. Just as we take medicine and surgery for being 'normal').
I understand that you guys want hard nosed evidence in scientific journals. This is one of the many things I have been reading about, here is a direct quote from the article:
"Under a double-blind study published in the New England Journal of Medicine, doctors did the surgery on one group of patients, and for the other group, put them under general anesthesia, cut open the knee, swished water & clinked instruments, and sewed them back up. "Tests of knee functions revealed that the operation had not helped, and those who got the placebo surgery reported feeling just as good as those who had had the real operation."
I linked this because I think you guys like to see the words: Journal of Medicine
I read a journal article and it was explaining the 'penis fracture' accident which some people said they suffered from on this forum. It was interesting in the journal that it said that a certain guy fractured his penis, then went to bed, being completely sure that in the morning he would not be affected by it. He went to a check up after some time and everything was perfect. I remember reading about this when I was googling these types of things day and night. However, at that time I did not realize the importance of this particular case.
About the bubonic plague and the other things you said, I really can not comment because I am not aware of how people were in that time and how the situation was. There is a difference between 'blind faith' and an actual 'scientific faith' if you can say that. Unfortunately, most religious institutions do not teach the right message of faith, telling you that you are powerless and must pray to an external God. Jesus' message was great but unfortunately the religion that is based on Jesus does not convey the same message as Jesus. People in the time of the bubonic plague just believed they were some advanced animals. They were simply religious (listening to an institution), not Spiritual if that makes sense
Most people don't understand that nothing 'outside of them' can make them angry or upset. Say someone on the street calls you stupid. 99.999% of people will get mad, upset, or would be affected even if they would not show it. However, is that guy the source of your anger? No, it's simply you interpreting what he says. You are the one who chooses to give power to others words/actions. It's not the other person who hurts you, it's how you interpret it. If you get mad, it means you give him power.
(I'm aware that this last paragraph doesn't really fit in the discussion but, it's just something else to think about. We take it as 'normal' to be mad if someone does something, not even realizing that we ourselves make us mad. Just as we take medicine and surgery for being 'normal').
There will always be people in the world who take advantage of ignorance. Its a very very common theme nowadays. Also, there are many scientific findings that are questionable. Consider this:
A new "scientific discovery" could create a wave of popularity for a new product. A board of scientists/think tank organization relies on private funding to conduct their experiments. The very same organization that privately funds the research is the organization that profits from the findings. Is it not possible (please pretty please don't assume I'm a crank and think all scientific discoveries are manipulated) that the framing/conduction of the research can be purposefully left with a few loose ends/external variables that lead to a finding when there is none?! Most people are not PhD's that can look through an entire scientific article to find out that the experimental design is flawed. And the people that do are usually labelled as cranks and are discredited (so nobody wants to speak up).
All I'm saying is ignorance goes both ways. There are false findings in both the emotional/paradoxical realm and the scientific realm.
Isn't this the truth? Just look at all the "science" behind the sham known as "Global Warming."
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