SIDE NOTE # 3 : Size really does not matter

[ultimape]

The thing you fail to recognize in all your well intended posts here, is that sex is all encompassing.

Brother , I am not failing to recognize anything .

I said that THE BRAIN is the most important part of the capability of women to experience pleasure and release their sexual energy .

T. Your arguing simple mechanics of size and hitting certain places on a woman and this might be true.

Its you who are using the word mechanics . I am talking about technique . They might seem the same , but they are not .

I like to say the perfect size, is more based on compatibility of the physical size of both the man and woman..

This is absolutely true . The "ideal" will vary according to each women . But generally rest assured that that size is much smaller than most men think .

The "ideal" size for most women is not 8 or 9 inches .

In fact it is something around the 5-7 inches in length and 4.5-5.5 in girth .

Anything withing these measures is perfectly suited for most women to reach maximum pleasure heights ( aside from the size-queens as I have mentioned )

To try to imply that there is just no different to her between 3" and 7" is just rediculous.

Please read what I have written .

Did I ever said that there is no difference in 3 inches or 7 inches ? No .

Obviously any girl will feel the difference between the 2 .

But now it is you who are talking about mechanics , not me , strictly looking to the size issue . What I said is that a man with a 3 or 4 inch penis can make a woman orgasm just as easily than a men with a 8 or 9 inch penis . Its the technique and the bound .

Again , my point is that your penis size does not affect your ability to give woman orgasms .

And this is important because I think there are a lot of men out there that think their sexual performance is bad because of their penis size , rather than their poor technique .

So these men automatically make the assumption that it is their penis size that is keeping them from making women reach orgasmic heights . When , at the end of the day , penis size as nothing to do with it .

At all .

 

[darinsixpack]

Brother , I am not failing to recognize anything .

I said that THE BRAIN is the most important part of the capability of women to experience pleasure and release their sexual energy .



Its you who are using the word mechanics . I am talking about technique . They might seem the same , but they are not .



This is absolutely true . The "ideal" will vary according to each women . But generally rest assured that that size is much smaller than most men think .

The "ideal" size for most women is not 8 or 9 inches .

In fact it is something around the 5-7 inches in length and 4.5-5.5 in girth .

Anything withing these measures is perfectly suited for most women to reach maximum pleasure heights ( aside from the size-queens as I have mentioned )



Please read what I have written .

Did I ever said that there is no difference in 3 inches or 7 inches ? No .

Obviously any girl will feel the difference between the 2 .

But now it is you who are talking about mechanics , not me , strictly looking to the size issue . What I said is that a man with a 3 or 4 inch penis can make a woman orgasm just as easily than a men with a 8 or 9 inch penis . Its the technique and the bound .

Again , my point is that your penis size does not affect your ability to give woman orgasms .

And this is important because I think there are a lot of men out there that think their sexual performance is bad because of their penis size , rather than their poor technique .

So these men automatically make the assumption that it is their penis size that is keeping them from making women reach orgasmic heights . When , at the end of the day , penis size as nothing to do with it .

At all .

Are you by chance an attorney? LOL.....ok, again. While iT is techinically true that a 3 inch penis can give a girl an orgasm and proper technique alone, is more important then size is alone, SIZE STILL MATTERS. However, the old rule of thumb still applies as it summerizes my prior post.....Take the same exact guy, equal in every way, one with a 4.5" dick and the other with a 7" incher and offer both to 100 women?????? I'm guessing 98 of the 100 would opt for the 7" dick. Hence SIZE DOES MAKE SOME SORT OF "DIFFERENCE"

 

[ultimape]

Are you by chance an attorney? LOL.....ok, again. While iT is techinically true that a 3 inch penis can give a girl an orgasm and proper technique alone, is more important then size is alone, SIZE STILL MATTERS.

I am glad you agree that the technique plays a crucial part . And , I cannot stress this enough , the bound with the girl . The chemistry , the romance , the love .

Yes , of course that there are a number of sensations that a 3 inch penis will not be able to provide in women . This is unarguable and I would never try to dispute this .

But please understand that all I am trying to point out is that you can give girls incredible orgasms even if your penis is 3 , 4 or 5 inches . This might be obvious to you and others , but believe me , there are so many guys out there that are profoundly miserable with their sexual performance . They feel unable to satisfy a woman . And many blame it on their "small" penis ( which is usually average and not small at all ) .

And it is very important for these guys to understand the principles of seduction , foreplay , love making and sexual techniques .

These things are far more important for women when it comes to orgasms and sexual satisfaction .

So my friends with the average or small dicks , do not buy into this myth that you need to be huge . You don't need to be huge .

You need to be a good lover , which is not about size .

Take the same exact guy, equal in every way, one with a 4.5" dick and the other with a 7" incher and offer both to 100 women?????? I'm guessing 98 of the 100 would opt for the 7" dick. Hence SIZE DOES MAKE SOME SORT OF "DIFFERENCE"

You see, I can understand what you are trying to say here . But you are thinking with a mentality of a dude Women are quite different than us brother .

They don't function like that , that is not how they process and experience sex .

Obviously that , if I am to consider your scenario , where woman would have to choose Men A or Men B based on nothing aside from penis size , of course most would probably go for the 7 inch dude . But this is not a very realistic scenario and does not translate well into real life situations .

I mean , what's next ? If you put the exact same guy but smaller and taller , women will also go for the taller . Does this mean taller guys are better in bed or more prone to satisfy women ?

What about hand size ? Are we now going to focus on having bigger hands because bigger is better ( a bigger hand can cover more ground or symbolizes strength ) ? Are we now going to claim guys with bigger hands are better in bed or more prone to satisfy women ?

See where this leads us ?

These type of things regarding size , height , hands or whatever are abstract sexual preferences . Sure , you have a lot of girls that find tall men extremely sexy and others find smaller men sexier . You have girls that like big hands and girls that hate big hands ( I have met a few ) .

But we cannot get trapped with these likes-dislikes with fears of automatically becoming bad or unsatisfying lovers just because we don't comply to every single parameter on a girls check list .

Girl A says she loves tall men , with big hands and big dicks .

Boy A is sexually technical competent but is rather small , has small hands and an average penis .

Girl A meets Boy A . She falls in love .

I guarantee you that Girl A will be in heaven having sex with Boy A . You know why ?

It's called love , and it is the NUMBER 1 sexual trigger in the world .

 

[DownLow]

Are you by chance an attorney? LOL.....ok, again. While iT is techinically true that a 3 inch penis can give a girl an orgasm and proper technique alone, is more important then size is alone, SIZE STILL MATTERS. However, the old rule of thumb still applies as it summerizes my prior post.....Take the same exact guy, equal in every way, one with a 4.5" dick and the other with a 7" incher and offer both to 100 women?????? I'm guessing 98 of the 100 would opt for the 7" dick. Hence SIZE DOES MAKE SOME SORT OF "DIFFERENCE"

With the same exact guy, I would probably agree with you there. I will say that my wife wouldn't care, but I would tell her to take the 7 incher, LOL. The reason in that specific scenario as to why it matters is a different story though, for some girls, it could be pleasure, for some it could be asthetic appeal, but some girls may take the 4.5 to 5 incher because maybe 7 inches and larger girth hurt them? Could be more than 2 out of 100 IMO.

 

[spanky]

OH AND BTW

There have been studies that link high levels of testosterone with homosexuality .

So I guess that :

Big Guys are gay .
Black guys are gay .

See how that works ?

you're beautiful

Seeing how girls prefer girth over length makes me sad. I'm seriously worried that any girl I get with won't feel a thing with my 4"EG 6"BPEL dick :/

... and this is why it's so screwed up people are on here perpetuating the myth that bigger always equals better, and implying that anything less somehow makes you less of a man or less able to satisfy a woman.

waff, she will feel you. We are all different, and sex is about so, so much more than how big your cock is. Even if bigger was always better (which it isn't) try another analogy. I like John Coltrane, and I like Jane's Addiction. They're completely different of course, but Coltrane is "better". Regardless, it's a stupid comparison. I still love both and would take either of them over Phil Collins in a heartbeat.

I am glad you agree that the technique plays a crucial part . And , I cannot stress this enough , the bound with the girl . The chemistry , the romance , the love .

Yes , of course that there are a number of sensations that a 3 inch penis will not be able to provide in women . This is unarguable and I would never try to dispute this .

But please understand that all I am trying to point out is that you can give girls incredible orgasms even if your penis is 3 , 4 or 5 inches . This might be obvious to you and others , but believe me , there are so many guys out there that are profoundly miserable with their sexual performance . They feel unable to satisfy a woman . And many blame it on their "small" penis ( which is usually average and not small at all ) .

And it is very important for these guys to understand the principles of seduction , foreplay , love making and sexual techniques .

These things are far more important for women when it comes to orgasms and sexual satisfaction .

So my friends with the average or small dicks , do not buy into this myth that you need to be huge . You don't need to be huge .

You need to be a good lover , which is not about size .



You see, I can understand what you are trying to say here . But you are thinking with a mentality of a dude Women are quite different than us brother .

They don't function like that , that is not how they process and experience sex .

Obviously that , if I am to consider your scenario , where woman would have to choose Men A or Men B based on nothing aside from penis size , of course most would probably go for the 7 inch dude . But this is not a very realistic scenario and does not translate well into real life situations .

I mean , what's next ? If you put the exact same guy but smaller and taller , women will also go for the taller . Does this mean taller guys are better in bed or more prone to satisfy women ?

What about hand size ? Are we now going to focus on having bigger hands because bigger is better ( a bigger hand can cover more ground or symbolizes strength ) ? Are we now going to claim guys with bigger hands are better in bed or more prone to satisfy women ?

See where this leads us ?

These type of things regarding size , height , hands or whatever are abstract sexual preferences . Sure , you have a lot of girls that find tall men extremely sexy and others find smaller men sexier . You have girls that like big hands and girls that hate big hands ( I have met a few ) .

But we cannot get trapped with these likes-dislikes with fears of automatically becoming bad or unsatisfying lovers just because we don't comply to every single parameter on a girls check list .

Girl A says she loves tall men , with big hands and big dicks .

Boy A is sexually technical competent but is rather small , has small hands and an average penis .

Girl A meets Boy A . She falls in love .

I guarantee you that Girl A will be in heaven having sex with Boy A . You know why ?

It's called love , and it is the NUMBER 1 sexual trigger in the world .

I'm pretty much done here now. I applaud your patience ultimape, you're a credit to the cause.
Can somebody please give this man some more rep from me... I'm repped out!

 

[RONINVU]

I am glad you agree that the technique plays a crucial part . And , I cannot stress this enough , the bound with the girl . The chemistry , the romance , the love .

But please understand that all I am trying to point out is that you can give girls incredible orgasms even if your penis is 3 , 4 or 5 inches . This might be obvious to you and others , but believe me , there are so many guys out there that are profoundly miserable with their sexual performance . They feel unable to satisfy a woman . And many blame it on their "small" penis ( which is usually average and not small at all ) .


So my friends with the average or small dicks , do not buy into this myth that you need to be huge . You don't need to be huge .

You need to be a good lover , which is not about size .


Obviously that , if I am to consider your scenario , where woman would have to choose Men A or Men B based on nothing aside from penis size , of course most would probably go for the 7 inch dude . But this is not a very realistic scenario and does not translate well into real life situations .

Ok Ok I feel like I can use your example to try to make a point. Imagine we only have man A who is awesome in bed and can make a girl have many orgasms with his 5". we are making this scenario realistic by being here in the first place. man A can get on here, and get up to the size that, "most would probaly go for."

technique is always the key but I feel like if your great in bed with an average 5"x5" penis, why not become that same lover with a 7"x6" penis. It might make the experience feel more exciting for both.

the size never makes the orgasm its the individual, but I feel like a slightly above average shlong could make that same individual feel better about sex.

 

[ultimape]

sure RONINVU , if the exact same individual enlarges his penis it might make things a bit more exciting , maybe visually more appealing or you can try some new positions that work better if your penis is a bit longer and , you know , just add some salt to it..

- would it make a fundamental difference in how the guy experiences sex ? Well the answer to such questions depends on many factors and how that guy was being affected or not by his penis size in the first place . If penis size was something that was keeping this individual from fully enjoying sex , than yes , he will now feel better about sex . But mind you , that this is more an ego question than size .

So the mental component is quite strong , it's a question of how he perceives his manhood to be . I don't think we can safely say that a 7' penis experiences more pleasure than a 5 " , so , again , any improvements in sexual enjoyment would definitely be more in the mind than a result of the actual increase .

When it comes to men enjoying sex , factors such as EQ and Performance are much more important than size .

- would it make a fundamental difference in how the girl experiences sex with him ? First of all let's exclude the possibility of her being a size-queen , since in that case the answer is yes of course . Let's say she was like most girls . If the same individual now had a 7' x 6' penis many things might definitely change for her . First of all you have to realize that , for many girls , 6" girth is a tad more than what they can handle , so the guy might have to take things slower to avoid pain .

With such size you also have to consider that , for one hand she might find BJ's or handjobs more visually appealing but she might also get tired more easily when performing these . For example , many girls complain of jaw issues when performing BJ's for a long period or to penises with larger girths , and her arms might feel tired a lot quicker when stroking something that meaty .

What I am trying to say is that , after a certain penis size , you also have to start pondering the 2-sides of the question . It's not all roses to have a huge penis . One cannot fundamentally say that a 7" x "6 would makes sex feel much better than a 5 " x5" - this is not an universal axiom that can be applied to all women .

For same girls the added sensations and visual queues would be enjoyable yes. For other girls it could be overwhelming or just plain irrelevant . Or for example , let's say you are a guy that loves the feeling to have your penis fully insider her mouth or vagina . You might have to give up on this if you grow it to a size where she can no longer deep throat you or handle your entire length in many intercourse positions . Just some of many examples that can go either way .

The breast analogy is never the best one to use , but let's say that the girl makes a breast implant going from small boobs to large boobs . Can we say that things are now more exciting for both and that sex is better because of the increase in breast size ? The answer is very similar to the one above .

If the woman was feeling very self-conscious about her small size to the point where that was limiting her ability to fully take pleasure in sex , then she will now have more pleasure . But what changed was her mind , her perception of pleasure , and how she thought her femininity was being projected .

Sex is very much about relations , and relations cannot be based in penis size or breast size . It's a sad sad thing if they are .


But at the same time let's not be naive about this . We are in a PE forum and guys here are trying to improve themselves , be it to increase their size , EQ or performance .

I just hope that people view it primarily as way to improve penis health , EQ and performance .

The notion that you can just wiggle a 7" x 6" penis to a woman and expect her to start screaming in delight works well in porn movies , but in real life you have got to work it brother ..And you have got to work it good .

And it is how you work that will make the difference - have no doubt about this .

 

[DownLow]

sure RONINVU , if the exact same individual enlarges his penis it might make things a bit more exciting , maybe visually more appealing or you can try some new positions that work better if your penis is a bit longer and , you know , just add some salt to it..

- would it make a fundamental difference in how the guy experiences sex ? Well the answer to such questions depends on many factors and how that guy was being affected or not by his penis size in the first place . If penis size was something that was keeping this individual from fully enjoying sex , than yes , he will now feel better about sex . But mind you , that this is more an ego question than size .

So the mental component is quite strong , it's a question of how he perceives his manhood to be . I don't think we can safely say that a 7' penis experiences more pleasure than a 5 " , so , again , any improvements in sexual enjoyment would definitely be more in the mind than a result of the actual increase .

When it comes to men enjoying sex , factors such as EQ and Performance are much more important than size .

- would it make a fundamental difference in how the girl experiences sex with him ? First of all let's exclude the possibility of her being a size-queen , since in that case the answer is yes of course . Let's say she was like most girls . If the same individual now had a 7' x 6' penis many things might definitely change for her . First of all you have to realize that , for many girls , 6" girth is a tad more than what they can handle , so the guy might have to take things slower to avoid pain .

With such size you also have to consider that , for one hand she might find BJ's or handjobs more visually appealing but she might also get tired more easily when performing these . For example , many girls complain of jaw issues when performing BJ's for a long period or to penises with larger girths , and her arms might feel tired a lot quicker when stroking something that meaty .

What I am trying to say is that , after a certain penis size , you also have to start pondering the 2-sides of the question . It's not all roses to have a huge penis . One cannot fundamentally say that a 7" x "6 would makes sex feel much better than a 5 " x5" - this is not an universal axiom that can be applied to all women .

For same girls the added sensations and visual queues would be enjoyable yes. For other girls it could be overwhelming or just plain irrelevant . Or for example , let's say you are a guy that loves the feeling to have your penis fully insider her mouth or vagina . You might have to give up on this if you grow it to a size where she can no longer deep throat you or handle your entire length in many intercourse positions . Just some of many examples that can go either way .

The breast analogy is never the best one to use , but let's say that the girl makes a breast implant going from small boobs to large boobs . Can we say that things are now more exciting for both and that sex is better because of the increase in breast size ? The answer is very similar to the one above .

If the woman was feeling very self-conscious about her small size to the point where that was limiting her ability to fully take pleasure in sex , then she will now have more pleasure . But what changed was her mind , her perception of pleasure , and how she thought her femininity was being projected .

Sex is very much about relations , and relations cannot be based in penis size or breast size . It's a sad sad thing if they are .


But at the same time let's not be naive about this . We are in a PE forum and guys here are trying to improve themselves , be it to increase their size , EQ or performance .

I just hope that people view it primarily as way to improve penis health , EQ and performance .

The notion that you can just wiggle a 7" x 6" penis to a woman and expect her to start screaming in delight works well in porn movies , but in real life you have got to work it brother ..And you have got to work it good .

And it is how you work that will make the difference - have no doubt about this .

Best post ever on here that is not related to PE exercise or technique. Reps for you.

 

[ultimape]

thanks for spreading the love brother

 

[sekeris]

I know that, that's why I don't start anything with women because I have no experience and skill, even though I have a 7 inch penis.

 

[NP97]

Gotta get some skill at some point dude.

 

[sekeris]

I should have got it a few years ago. Now it would be just dissapointing to women.

 

[NP97]

Na. Most of those skills aren't do difficult to master. Especially something like oral. Just get yourself a girlfriend and practice.

 

[sekeris]

Why would anyone want stay with me and wait for me to practice, if there are a lot of guys my age and even younger that already know how to do that and more.

 

[NP97]

Well with attitude...

 

[User235]

It always seems to be two conversations occur when the topic of penis size and lovemaking skills comes up:

1. There are always those that say, "size doesn't matter, it's skill and technique and attention"

2. And there are those that say, yes but a bigger size will feel better.

But the two ARE NOT on the same level and can't be compared. One can add to the other, but neither can stand on their own.

But here's a better way to look at it. Say you're an accomplished lover. The women and/or men in your life shower you with praise, and more importantly, keep wanting to sleep with you as much as they can (the real measure of your skills!).

Now, let's say you do all this magic with your 5x4 penis (and fingers, and mouth and whatever other limbs/organs work for you). Honestly, you really don't need anything else do you? You're a wonderful lover, no one argues with that. Case closed.

But say a genie gives you a 8x6 unit. It means you'll have to make love VERY differently. But as you're a skilled an imaginative lover, you will of course rise to the challenge. And guess what? It just looks HOT. It looks hot to you and all your lovers. It's big, veiny, muscley-looking, it's an animal unto itself. Some of your lovers wouldn't have thought they wanted a big dick but when they see THAT BIG cock on YOU, and knowing that you'll know just how to use it, how much hotter are they going to feel? And how much hotter will you feel seeing that steam in their eyes?

That's why we want big dicks. It's not going to change how good we are (and anyone who thinks that is a fool), but DAMN it's going to be sexier, it's going to look hot, it's going to feel amazing when your lovers grab it and can't get their hands around it, it's going to be amazing when they lick it and feel it's strength in their mouths, it's going to look manly.

And isn't that what this is all about???? Feeling hotter? Feeling sexier? Feeling more like a man during sex? Having her feel more of your manhood? Jeez, you'd think people were born yesterday and couldn't figure this out!

 

[NP97]

Yes, it's about self-improvement. We're just trying to say size isn't all that important.
Now thank you for bringing up that point about size changing the way you do it.
I use to be able to pump hard, deep, fast, whole nine yards. I have to be more careful now. Don't wanna hurt anything down there. Foreplay is much more important now to. My current girlfriend is a virgin and worried about my size actually. She said she can hardly fit her finger (small hands) in there.
I told her we would play around for at least an hour before that. Make sure she is as wet and warmed as possible Poor joke I told her: I'll get you so wet New Orleans floods again.
I didn't get much of a laugh for that one... more of an "aww...... that's effed up baby"
Did I rant? Yeah.
Size < Technique. My ex once told me this story (I was about 8"BPELx5"MSEG with her). She said her friend was with this guy with quite the huge schlong. Well, she was in pain and couldn't walk right. Evidentally the guy just shoved the thing in her, pounded away hard and fast until he came.
Being happy is most important. I like my dick size. I want it bigger, for me. Don't even know why anymore. I just want it bigger.

 

[cavallogrosso]

size not matters unless the man are in a normal range 5/7, but over or under this range size matters.

 

[Batwoman]

size not matters unless the man are in a normal range 5/7, but over or under this range size matters.

A very sensible observation.

 

[RONINVU]

It always seems to be two conversations occur when the topic of penis size and lovemaking skills comes up:

1. There are always those that say, "size doesn't matter, it's skill and technique and attention"

2. And there are those that say, yes but a bigger size will feel better.

But the two ARE NOT on the same level and can't be compared. One can add to the other, but neither can stand on their own.

But here's a better way to look at it. Say you're an accomplished lover. The women and/or men in your life shower you with praise, and more importantly, keep wanting to sleep with you as much as they can (the real measure of your skills!).

Now, let's say you do all this magic with your 5x4 penis (and fingers, and mouth and whatever other limbs/organs work for you). Honestly, you really don't need anything else do you? You're a wonderful lover, no one argues with that. Case closed.

But say a genie gives you a 8x6 unit. It means you'll have to make love VERY differently. But as you're a skilled an imaginative lover, you will of course rise to the challenge. And guess what? It just looks HOT. It looks hot to you and all your lovers. It's big, veiny, muscley-looking, it's an animal unto itself. Some of your lovers wouldn't have thought they wanted a big dick but when they see THAT BIG cock on YOU, and knowing that you'll know just how to use it, how much hotter are they going to feel? And how much hotter will you feel seeing that steam in their eyes?

That's why we want big dicks. It's not going to change how good we are (and anyone who thinks that is a fool), but DAMN it's going to be sexier, it's going to look hot, it's going to feel amazing when your lovers grab it and can't get their hands around it, it's going to be amazing when they lick it and feel it's strength in their mouths, it's going to look manly.

And isn't that what this is all about???? Feeling hotter? Feeling sexier? Feeling more like a man during sex? Having her feel more of your manhood? Jeez, you'd think people were born yesterday and couldn't figure this out!

I Totally second this!!!!!!

We keep going back and forth on this topic but the matter of the fact is everyone who was in a relationship on here that has recieved gains 9/10 say that after the gains, they receive positive reations from thier significant other. why is that??? any one can answer that question?? I bet that very answer is the reason we are all here.