Reverse Kegels

[Pegasus]

Excellent fisch ,you are just the guy we need.
Guys I think you are all doing reverse ok.

 

[fisch28]

Hmmm, since I've been focused the last 24 hours on these reverse kegels and everything else involved, I have noticed something interesting when I pee. I have actually always noticed it, and thought it to be strange, or atleast not common. Anyhow, when I pee, often times I have to 'force' (reverse kegel) very hard to get ALL of my piss out, and then I actually kegel, and more piss comes out. Then I'm done. Also, after paying closer attention to my PC/BC muscles all day yesterday, I noticed that throughout my day I will subconsiously kegel, when doing nearly anything that will cause me to tense up (once example I can think of from yesterday was when I squatted down and reached in my fridge, I noticed a short, quick kegel automatically.) Also, aside from the random unconscious kegels, sometimes I would find myself slightly unconciously kegeled for long periods of time, as If I stay kegeled nearly all day. What do you guys think about this?

Everytime that I noticed I was slightly kegeled, I would push out and try holding a reverse kegel. This caused soreness by the night time. Also, everytime I kegeled yesterday (conciously throughout my day) I added a reverse kegel. And pretty much doubled the amount of reverse kegels by doing solely reverse kegels for a good 15-20 minutes.

Anybody know how it is to overwork these muscles? Should you just stop once you are sore? Should you not even be getting sore? I imagaine in the beginning soreness will arrive, just as with working other muscles in the body.

Oh, one more important thing I noticed and am positive about now. I did a short edge last night, and wow, even telling myself not to kegel the whole time, I found myself kegeling multiple times. I feel it's something I did when I masturbated as a child, perhaps I felt the need to rush through masterbation so nobody would find out, and by kegeling, I was able to speed up the process, hence why I unconciously kegel so much now. I imagine this can take lots of time to fix since I've been doing it for nearly 10 years now, but I think I have what it takes to fix this problem.

Interested on your guys's thoughts on this!

 

[Big Al]

I don't think that someone just starting out should train to failure or soreness. Whenever you start on a stamina routine, you should reserve your first session as a "baseline" to establish a starting point. This "Day One" should be done well within your comfort zone. From there, you'll have an idea of what your current capabilities are and you can add reps and/or intensity each subsequent session.

 

[Pirate]

You are building muscle and you are clearly working hard. You need to let the muscles rest and rebuild. Take at least a day off between those sorts of workout.

 

[Progress]

Ifind it easier to do reverse kegels while being erect. Make sure you use the restroom before attempting. To locate the muscles you basically have to act like your forcing urine out. You'll notice when doing them it is almost like (excuse my language) taking a piss and dump at the same time. It's important to pay attention to the body. You can feel the BC/PC muscle or whatever its referred it too releasing or pushing away from the body. This "desensitizes" the penis almost putting it into a flaccid state. It's quite an awesome experience since I assume with time and practice can desensitize your penis enough to delay or stop the build up that leads to orgasm. I have edged using the RK and it has helped to increase "stamina" or time until ejaculation. I've complied all this info through many forums and many posts. This is the most complete info I have found since Pirates post. Almost forgot to mention, HI Forum.

 

[Pegasus]

Hi progress ,yes the rk can be used in several ways to improve stamina. In fact ,it appears that just having balance between kegal and reverse kegal strength, improves stamina.

 

[Progress]

I think I literally perfected it last night. 30 mins of straight erect and no ejaculation. Could of went longer but stopped. This experience has left me with a couple of questions though. 1. Is PE really a disorder or just a mental/subconsciously tightening the PC muscle that leads to early ejaculation? 2. It seems when you do RK you loosen the BC muscle enough to where it affects sensation why is that? 3. Does alcohol do the same as RK basically loosening tension? 4. It seems that RKing is less about flexing like you would a bicep and more about mental control. Could anyone answer this?

 

[Pegasus]

https://www.pegym.com/forums/premature-ejaculation-forum/15480-implications-4.html

Your question 1 is subject to research currently, above is a link. Your other question flow off your first.

 

[Pirate]

I believe that a major, though probably not the major, benefit of RKing is the increased muscle awareness and control.

 

[Progress]

Thats what it seems like. So logically, if you only had a choice between full PC control or BC control (omitting that both play a part in each others function). Would having full BC control have any benefits since "supposedly" Full PC control allows one to still experience full if not greater sensation and not have ejaculation? Any thoughts on the subject. And yes Pegasus I stumbled upon that thread last night.

 

[Pirate]

Bump

 

[J_M]

I feel like my penis is going to explode with each erectly performed hard- held reverse kegel. Also, the veins in my penis become more prominent whilst RK'ing.

 

[AverageGuy22]

I too find that I almost constantly kegal when having sex. If my wife is on top, I can relax and not kegel for a little bit, but if I do any level of thrusting either on bottom or on top, I am naturally kegaling. That is what I need to stop, right? Does the alternating kegels help me to focus on not kegaling during sex? I want to last so long that she begs me to cum already (after her 2-3 orgasms).

 

[Pegasus]

Hi average ,if you read my thread implications, you will get the background to Pirate's suggested routine.

A group of us have been researching involantary kegals and have concluded that pelvic floor muscle imbalance is a factor.
The treatment for this imbalance, involves reverse kegals at more than the typical 20 to 30% of total kegal.
Thus pirate's routine is 50% reverse kegals, with a high control component. So you decrease muscle imbalance, increase control and feel the difference between tension and relaxation in the pelvic floor.
Average if you can stop kegal just by knowing they are happening and wanting them to stop (some people can) then do that. If not start doing Pirate's routine ,it's simplicity hides it's elagance and effect.

 

[spekis]

Hey i just went through all of the pages and tried to do reverse kegels myself and it seems to me that there is this PC muscle which goes right in the middle of the pelvic floor and has two "holes" in it: one for rectum, the other for the urine semen flow. When doing reverse kegels what you do is you stabilize the diaphragm and contrat your abdominal muscles so that the pressure in your stomach increases, then you realx both of your sphincters (which gives the sensation of farting and urinating at the same time). Now that the muscle is relaxed the intraabdominal pressure pushes it outwards and stretches the muscle. So, how i see it, reverse kegels are simply stretching the muscle which is useful indeed just as you would strech your biceps between the workouts. So, did i understand this correctly? If i did, i don't see the point i all the "contracting the penis and moving the contraction to the anus" thing. Any thoughts?

 

[Pirate]

Spekis,
Stretching is part of the benefit, but only part.
I am but a humble buccaneer and not an anatomist but, I believe, all of these muscles are interrelated. Contracting some stretches others and contracting others stretches some.
The point is to work for balance and control.

 

[Panther]

It appears to me, that many of us involuntarily contract our PC muscles during sex. I would submit that we also contract them and hold the muscle in a contracted state during our normal daily routines. I have found this to be true with me and have been working several months to gain more conscious control with some success.

Below is a summary of how the process is working for me:

Step 1: recognize that I've been doing something detrimental to my goals regarding sex, namely, creating an imbalance in my PC muscles with too much tension.

Step 2: become conscious of my PC muscle contractions and normal state.

Step 3: consciously control my PC muscle through exercise and during sex to achieve my goal.

I see step 3 as multi-part. At first I had little success and just struggled with the being aware part. In other words I was incompetent and was now conscious of that fact. Then I learned better control - I am in control and conscious of it. The final phase will be control and unconscious.

Have you ever driven home and then wondered how did I get here? What route did I take? How about stopping for something on the way home, before you know it you're home without stopping. These are examples of doing something without thinking about it. Unconscious competence.

That is when I will know I've hit the mark and gotten where I want to be.

 

[Pegasus]

Good post panther.

 

[fisch28]

Yeah average, I'm the exact same way.

Nice Panther, I recently have become conscious of when I'm kegelling in a normal state, and am working on what you referred to as step 3. Not sure on my progress since I haven't been having much sex lately.

 

[NP97]

I held off orgasm with a reverse kegel rather than a regular one. Didn't just relax, but did the hard kegel at the PoNR. Felt really damn good.