LG hanger vs BIB

[Boo-Ya]

Flaccid penis size can fluctuate based on temperature, body posture (standing vs sitting), any stress you might be feeling at the time. Maybe Mandingo was a little nervous being interviewed in a talk show? I've never seen him in porn, so I wouldn't know what would be considered an appropriate or reasonable flaccid penis size based on his erect measurements.

The theory around anti-turtling and healing or recovering while being in your max flaccid condition has merit. I doubt Mandingo engages in any penis enlargement exercising, he is naturally gifted and doesn't need to get any bigger based on the measurements he has. He makes his money doing porn and could probably care less about his flaccid size. I've just never heard of anyone who has a 8" flaccid penis, but only is 6" erect.

I wasn't actually using Mandingo as a real argument; more of an anecdotal one.

I doubt Mandingo never did any form of P.E.. To be honest I've never looked into him specifically, even though many porn actors have clear signs of P.E. (besides those which grew clearly and considerably throughout their careers).

You may never heard of anyone with 8" flaccid but 6" erect, but I've sure heard of many 1" disparities favoring the flaccid and some, albeit very few and not much greater, even bigger.

The theory MIGHT have something to it, but the rationale behind it seems too simplistic and flawed. The claim that "healing elongated" would make you heal "at that size" would imply, for instance, that healing not elongated would also make you heal "at that size", which in turn would mean you wouldn't grow at all depending on your weather conditions. :snow:

Now... this is a radical view for we all know it isn't true but so far, this being the only logic forth exposed, even if the claim is not so radical the rationale must be incorrect. If the theory stands true, many variables sure are missing.

 

[Marlon LGHanger]

I can only base my theory on my own personal experience. Prior to beginning my PE journey my flaccid penis was for me an embarrassment. I would shrivel up at times to the size of a thimble. I would avoid walking around a men's locker room naked. I couldn't take a piss at a urinal if another man was standing next to me. My erect BPEL was 5 3/8".

Now my flaccid penis is rarely ever less than 5 1/2" - 6" even on a cold day. My BPEL is now right at 7 1/2" - 8" depending on my level of arousal. So based on that there is basically 2" in length difference between flaccid & erect. I do believe that preventing my penis from retracting while recovering from work outs has made a difference. I can't prove it, but it seems to have given me what I didn't have before.... and that's the confidence to be seen naked without being ashamed.

 

[Boo-Ya]

I can only base my theory on my own personal experience. Prior to beginning my PE journey my flaccid penis was for me an embarrassment. I would shrivel up at times to the size of a thimble. I would avoid walking around a men's locker room naked. I couldn't take a piss at a urinal if another man was standing next to me. My erect BPEL was 5 3/8".

Now my flaccid penis is rarely ever less than 5 1/2" - 6" even on a cold day. My BPEL is now right at 7 1/2" - 8" depending on my level of arousal. So based on that there is basically 2" in length difference between flaccid & erect. I do believe that preventing my penis from retracting while recovering from work outs has made a difference. I can't prove it, but it seems to have given me what I didn't have before.... and that's the confidence to be seen naked without being ashamed.

Wait a second... we might be talking about two completely different things. Staying elongated might obviously help you stay... well... elongated. For instance, if you want to have a huge flaccid hang, just jelq flaccid 20 min./day and you'll give your flaccid confidence at least an extra inch; give it a try.

That was not the issue, however; the issue was whether this would help gains which, again, can't see how it could.

 

[Marlon LGHanger]

I have always included and advocated hand stretching / jelqing to be included as part of the weight hang training. I know the penis and it's ability to get and maintain an erection is complicated. Being able to expand and contract. I speculate that the type of muscle tissue one is genetically born with has something to do with how your penis grows when it is subjected to various types of PE training stress. Consider the article attached....Are you a better sprinter or distance runner? Many people believe that having more fast and slow twitch muscle fibers may determine what sports athletes excel at and how they respond to training.Skeletal muscle is made up of bundles of individual muscle fibers called myocytes. Each myocyte contains many myofibrils, which are strands of proteins (actin and myosin) that can grab on to each other and pull.

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This shortens the muscle and causes muscle contraction.
It is generally accepted that muscle fiber types can be broken down into two main types: slow twitch (Type I) muscle fibers and fast twitch (Type II) muscle fibers. Fast twitch fibers can be further categorized into Type IIa and Type IIbfibers.
These distinctions seem to influence how muscles respond to training and physical activity, and each fiber type is unique in its ability to contract in a certain way. Human muscles contain a genetically determined mixture of both slow and fast fiber types. On average, we have about 50 percent slow twitch and 50 percent fast twitch fibers in most of the muscles used for movement.
Slow Twitch (Type I)
The slow muscles are more efficient at using oxygen to generate more fuel (known as ATP) for continuous, extended muscle contractions over a long time. They fire more slowly than fast twitch fibers and can go for a long time before they fatigue.

Therefore, slow twitch fibers are great at helping athletes run marathons and bicycle for hours.
Fast Twitch (Type II)
Because fast twitch fibers use anaerobic metabolism to create fuel, they are better at generating short bursts of strength or speed than slow muscles. However, they fatigue more quickly.

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Fast twitch fibers generally produce the same amount of force per contraction as slow muscles, but they get their name because they are able to fire more rapidly. Having more fast twitch fibers can be an asset to a sprinter since she needs to quickly generate a lot of force.
What Causes Muscle Fatigue?
Type IIa Fibers
These fast twitch muscle fibers are also known as intermediate fast-twitch fibers. They can use both aerobic and anaerobic metabolism almost equally to create energy. In this way, they are a combination of Type I and Type II muscle fibers.
Type IIb Fibers
These fast twitch fibers use anaerobic metabolism to create energy and are the "classic" fast twitch muscle fibers that excel at producing quick, powerful bursts of speed. This muscle fiber has the highest rate of contraction (rapid firing) of all the muscle fiber types, but it also has a faster rate of fatigue and can't last as long before it needs rest.
Fiber Type and Performance
Our muscle fiber type may influence what sports we are naturally good at or whether we are fast or strong.

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Olympic athletes tend to fall into sports that match their genetic makeup. Olympic sprinters have been shown to possess about 80 percent fast twitch fibers while those who excel in marathons tend to have 80 percent slow twitch fibers.
Are Athletes Born or Built?
Can Training Change Fiber Type?
This is not entirely understood, and research is still looking at that question. There is some evidence showing that human skeletal muscle may switch fiber types from "fast" to "slow" due to training.
These studies and journal articles offer more insight on muscle fiber research:
High-Intensity Training and Changes in Muscle Fiber
Nature vs. Nurture: Can Exercise Really Alter Fiber Type Composition?
Effects of Endurance Training on Muscle Fiber
What can I do to improve my performance?
Keep in mind that genetic differences may be dramatic at the elite levels of athletic competition. But following the principles of conditioning can dramatically improve personal performance of a typical athlete.
With consistent endurance training, muscle fibers can develop more and improve their ability to cope with and adapt to the stress of exercise.
[h=3]Is fiber type the number one factor that makes an elite athlete elite?[/h]Fiber type is part of a great athlete's success, but it alone is a poor predictor of performance. There are many other factors that go into determining athleticism, including mental preparedness, proper nutrition and hydration, getting enough rest, and having appropriate equipment and conditioning.

 

[alienware83]

Alienware, what you describe is just the LOT (loss of tugback) theory in practice. You should research on BIB's LOT Theory, it's one of the oldest (if not the older) and reasonable ones I've found so far. It has its criticisms but, then again, which theory doesn't (it was never fully debunked, by the way, even though I see many claiming it has).

What you describe is just a lowering of the angle to better attack the ligaments (instead of tunica); this isn't always as pinpointed as it may sound for there are some trigonometry hocus pocus involved. Anyway... eventually, according to the theory, you won't be able to gain any further from pulling out the adhesions from your ligaments and will have to start targetting your tunica (SO, SU, bundled, fulcrum, etc.). Best way I heard of is by doing Hobby's seesaw approach.

I don't think its like LOT theory to be honest.

I hang upwards and target the tunica because its the tissue that comprises the erectile tissue in my penis, so hanging upwards will stretch the tunica, stretching my actual penis, and therefore slowly add size.

In theory, hanging upwards or hanging to target the tunica should never stop working. Overtime, it will probably get harder as your penis becomes less elastic, you will need more and more hours to gain length.

Ligaments however have a definite ending point in terms of gains. You can only stretch and untie your penis so much from your ligaments and pelvis before there is no more to be gained.

If youre a beginner, in my opinion, you should focus on ligament gains to fully loosen your penis from your pelvis if you can make gains there. After that, just focus on hanging upwards to stretch your tunica.

 

[Boo-Ya]

I don't think its like LOT theory to be honest.

I hang upwards and target the tunica because its the tissue that comprises the erectile tissue in my penis, so hanging upwards will stretch the tunica, stretching my actual penis, and therefore slowly add size.

In theory, hanging upwards or hanging to target the tunica should never stop working. Overtime, it will probably get harder as your penis becomes less elastic, you will need more and more hours to gain length.

Ligaments however have a definite ending point in terms of gains. You can only stretch and untie your penis so much from your ligaments and pelvis before there is no more to be gained.

If youre a beginner, in my opinion, you should focus on ligament gains to fully loosen your penis from your pelvis if you can make gains there. After that, just focus on hanging upwards to stretch your tunica.

You've just described the LOT theory or, better said, its application; again. Maybe you should look into what is the theory before saying you don't think whatever you don't think it is, otherwise you'll just make a fool of yourself (not to mention, display complete disrespect and disregard for what I said since you deny just for the sake of it).

 

[Trapezius]

I struggled with the BIB for half-year, maybe less, and it was impossible to do it correctly. I went up to 18-20 lbs. but, according to BIB, my technique was still inadequate. I think he gave me a thumbs up with 15 lbs., but if I look into what I did it was just a 'softer' version of the one he said was wrong.

I spent countless hours either writing to him, reading his advice which, I must always say, is like none I've ever seen (the guy is restless when it comes to help/client support, really), or struggling my ass off trying to hang. I've had many really painful cuts in my skin, many dots, bleeding, numbness for days, tried wrapping for passive engorgement, tried the regular BIB, the BIB Starter, the BIB Starter without the padding, tried a dozen different wraps, under-wraps, wrapping styles, wrap further up, further down, more skin, less skin, hanger further up, further down, tightness, all the combinations, you name it — nothing allowed me to hang properly. I've even hung with the top portion of my penis hard for Christ's sake (don't try this at home) :bangin:. In the end I couldn't succeed no matter what.

Reading in another forum I've found that MANY guys who, like me, were uncut, had immense troubles hanging with the BIB (at least when it came to decent poundages like 15 lbs.+). So... here I am... trying the LG Hanger and loving it so far.

In the official LG Hanger thread, the last guy said to be going back and forth between LG and BIB and seeing no difference... well, let me tell you, I bet my house that guy is cut (or a really tight uncut). The difference is enormous regarding the pull. With the LG I feel like I'm pulling with my hand, no diversion whatsoever; with 5 lbs. I can feel what I couldn't with the BIB with 10.

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Review of both products

For mindset preferences (purely subjective) I prefer the BIB for the simplicity and mechanical easiness to devise the apparatus at work; it's raw and ingenious at the same time. I like it a lot. The LG is more refined, indirect, subtle.

From an objective standpoint, however, the learning curve of the BIB is huge (if it isn't for the circumcised guys, I'd say it's at least moderate if you go way up (30 lbs.+)) and, for uncircumcised, it's a neverending one for it can't be done properly (at least not with decent poundage). The LG has close to 0 learning curve, I mean... you just wrap and it's done.

The LG also wins undisputed regarding safety; it's completely foolproof and blisters being the worst case scenario, it couldn't be more distant from danger. The BIB, on the other hand, has many potential harms (which I won't bother to list).

The BIB can allegedly withstand more weight than the LG; there are reports with high poundages with BIB that can't be found for the LG. We must keep in mind, though, that the LG is much "younger", so there might be some hardcore guys still to come. The thought can be disturbing, though, specially to those with iron ligs, myself included (and pretty much the reason why I chose the BIB first). On the other hand, you can hang with the LG in a fashion you can't with the BIB to give it an extra stretching to the tunica ("twisted" hanging).

The LG is considerably dearer than the BIB (more than twice the price), but if you consider it as a long time investment, I don't think that's enough to keep somebody from buying a better product if they found it's really better.

Any specific data I might have forgotten, please ask along

Good damn I wish I would have read this thread and this post that time 2016 when I spend 6 months of trying to get Bib starter and Bib hardcore work. Same story as described above, tried everything, tens and tens of hours, and still could not get it work.

I was stubborn and very motivated to get gains so I tried so long. I had read something about vacuum hangers not beeing good and I thought that I don't dare to spend more money as I've already bought a Bib. What a bullshit, these devices, even LG, are cheap as sh*t to my income. Looking back I should have bought example VacHanger (which I did after stopping with Bib) and try vacuum hanging at very start of hanging "career". So I would have seen how much better vacuum hanging is. Maybe later buy LG Hanger too.

I had quite little time every night. Only about 1-2 hours. With Bib hangers it was good night if I get 3 sets of 20min. Many times it was 1 or 2 sets because of problems. With vacuum hangers I would have had example 2 sets of 45 min or one long 90min set and with comfort. I would not have stretch marks at base of penis, more loose and discolored shaft skin. And probably with comfortable hanging 1-2 hours every night I would have made a lot better gains in 6 months. I gained about 0.7" with Bib's and that is all newbie gains that I would had even with some light force ADS like ESL40. And probably because of comfort and success I would have continued it for few years straight and have a very nice gains. I hanged the most of about 15 lbs for 20mins with bib and I've hanged that same 15 lbs for straight one hour set with my VacHanger. And I think it is terrible idea to compress your penis like that and hang weights off it. With vacuum the blood flow is not interfered and the grip is just more healthy and safe. You can have blisters for sure, but they are not so dangerous and will heal. And they can be avoided.

This just came to my mind today when looking my dick. Stretch marks and discoloration still present. I used to have beautiful white and smooth skin. And only about 1" or less longer than pre-pre. Regret came to mind that I didn't spend few fucking hundred dollars and buy vacuum hanger before deciding which device I would be using. After I quit with Bib's I did ADS work + manual stretching and gained a little bit from that. I bought VacHanger3 but didn't have that same motivation as I had before and ended up not using it much at all. Only good thing is that my penis works very good and Bib's didn't cause lasting erection problems as brutal as it was brutalizing my dick.

 

[Trapezius]

And in Bib's site there is not a single picture or instructional video of how to exactly it should be done. Words can never explain something like that so well that video would or even pictures.

 

[TheGreatDivider]

And in Bib's site there is not a single picture or instructional video of how to exactly it should be done. Words can never explain something like that so well that video would or even pictures.

It's not rocket science. You bundle up, adjust the hinge, swing the top arm into position, make adjustments if necessary, tighten it down, and hang. It takes less than half a minute to get it right the time then you don't change a thing unless you have a different wrapping.

 

[gstylzee]

Get both devices. Do a manual warm up plus heat sock then hang as heavy as you can possibly hang with out pain. I got up to 30lbs. Do your 20 min set then do a 10 min recovery helicopters slaps and light jelqs then swap to LG hanger and do 30 - 60 min set at 10lbs. Lig pain off that felt amazing you knew it was doing something. I stopped years ago now. I'd love to start again but it's no longer convenient (privacy wise)