Igigi's quest for the foot long with UltraSound therapy

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I am starting this log as a continuation of my long thread at thunders and MOS.

As background, I started PE circa 1998. After many years of progress and application of standard methods, I gained accordingly, until around 2008 in which my gains seemed to have stopped. A homework started of trying multiple approaches, techniques, tools, all unsuccessfully. It took me years to identify that the problem was the septum.

Many self proclaimed gurus insist that there are techniques to enlarge the septum. All of which they are lies. Anybody who try conventional methods and enlarge the septum, means only one thing: They have not reach the toughening of the septum, i.e. the dead end. Once the septum toughens, you can hand an airplane from it, it will not grow, it will only become stronger. It seems to be a natural genetic mechanism of limitation in which after years of exercising and tension, this septum stops extending and becomes thicker and stronger to sustain the weight.

This is how I realized that the conventional approaches are incorrect in the sense that they tend to increase tension or weight in order to force gains. Although this approach will generate initial gains, in the mid-long term it creates the tough septum which becomes the limiting factor. The dead end.

I spent years reading about the septum and possible ways to work around. Until around 4-5 years ago, a few pioneers started proposing a new novel approach. Ultrasound. It was here at PEGym, thunders, where these few users started debating, discussing and testing the UltraSound technology to loosen collagen fibers and re-model the Extracellular matrix or ECM. I carefully started following and reading these threads for years.

Finally, this topic narrowed down due to natural selection, allowing some brilliant humans to apply their knowledge, experience and science to come up with literature and proven methods. Above all of them, Kyrpa. Without discrediting many others such as manko, tutt, and others too.

In 2020, the conditions were perfect due to the pandemic and low volume of work to finally try it. And it succeeded.

My initial BPFSL was 22cm. After the first period of Ultrasound I successfully increased almost a full inch of BPFSL from 22cm to 24cm.

During my second period in 2021, the goal was very ambitious, but succeeded once again. I was able to reach 10 inches or 25.4cm of BPFSL.

I have to mention, my whole focus and approach is on BPFSL. I have not put efforts not work on BPEL. Why? Because my BPFSL and the septum became my limiting factor for over a decade. My whole quest nowadays is to extend the septum enough to create that future potential for BPEL. Anecdotal experience shows that BPEL strats to follow after BPFSL, but that is not my focus at this point in time. I strongly believe that by creating a longer septum, then it is possible to close the gap between BPFSL and BPEL with standard methods of PE.

As this requires understanding of physiology, we cannot extend just the septum forever. It comes to a point in which the septum itself grows to a point in which the tunica itself becomes the limiting factor. In this case methods such as hanging, stretching, jelquing could be beneficial to extend the tunica.

With all this being said, I am preparing to start a third period of UltraSound. I expect to have lost some BPFSL since the second period was in 2021, over a year ago.

There are many more details involved that I will gladly share with everybody, but I wanted to leave this preamble here before I start posting the data of daily therapy sessions.
 

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Thanks for sharing. I look forward to reading this thread
 
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From 98 until now is 24 years all up, have you been consistent with PE in those years and what sort of gains were made in that time?
With US therapy do you have to go into a medical clinic to get it done or do you do it in the comfort of your own home?
22 to 25.4 is a lot of stretch with ultrasound, can you explain the US process in more detail?
 

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From 98 until now is 24 years all up, have you been consistent with PE in those years and what sort of gains were made in that time?
With US therapy do you have to go into a medical clinic to get it done or do you do it in the comfort of your own home?
22 to 25.4 is a lot of stretch with ultrasound, can you explain the US process in more detail?

Sure enough, is a long time lol. No, I have not been consistent throughout 24 years in PE. It has been "stages" of approaches and progress. The biggest progress was during the first few years, in the late 90's when there was no information whatsoever. The Internet was still in its infancy.

I remember for some reason that I cannot explain, I started thinking "there has to be a way to exercise and grow my dick" Even though I was never small. My BPEL was around 7".

I started digging the internet about it, all it was back in those days, probably some people remember there were adds of Burt Reynolds hanging a rock from his dick lol. All the little info about PE was confined to a crappy .txt file in porn sites. There was not forums, no websites, no discussion. Porn sites were selling this .txt file as an ancient African/middle eastern method to enlarge Richards. So I hacked into a porn site and downloaded the file.

For the first time I learn about "jelquing" or "milking", as well as the basic stretching routine with the "ok" sign grip, etc. I also learned about hanging.

I started jelquing and hanging. For hanging I made a tie know on a coaxial cable and thats what I used to wrap behind my glans and hang a 5kg dumbbell for hours. This gave me eventually about an inch in length, but unfortunately I believe this is what toughened my septum very bad in this early stage.

After those first couple of years I never was able to increase length significantly. Trying extenders, pumps, jelquing, eventually I was able to grow perhaps 0.25 inch, but temporarily, never able to keep the gain and keep growing.

Some 10 years ago I started experimenting the chemical route. Without expanding too much in detail, PGE-1 assisted controlled priapism is what increased my girth from 5.2 to 6.25. And this cemented my belief that the septum was my problem for length. With all that tremendous internal force and pressure plus pump, stretches, bends, clamping, my penis grew only sideways (girth) but never forward (length) Why? because something was physiologically blocking it. It was the septum, the ultimate dead end, the limiting factor.

Until I started Ultrasound and finally for the first time in over a decade broke that barrier.
 
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UltraSound therapy is done at home, with your own adapted infrastructure. All you need is the proper device with a rope, pulley and and incremental weight system. Additional you need a proper set of thermocouples to measure target temperature and when you are starting you need a scale to measure stress relaxation or creep depending the most convenient method for you.
 
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The therapy is structured in Periods, cycles. One period is the total length of say this year therapy. Based on existing literature regarding ECM re-modeling, it takes a long time for those collagen fibers to finally position themselves. A minimum of 6-10 months is recommended to rest between Periods. There is more science into "stem cells" and satellite cells recruiting, but we haven't venture in those areas yet. We need more experts chiming in for that.

The period is composed by cycles. The standard protocol developed by kyrpa is 3 days on, 2 days off. That is one cycle. Some users prefer 1 on 1 off, others 2 on 2 off. It is advisable to start with the proven method of 3 days on 2 days off. A period should last some 4-6 weeks, or until the gains stall. NEVER using brute force to force gains. That does not work and is counterproductive.

One of the biggest misconceptions in the approach of PE has been the "belief" of "braking" tissue in order to make it grow bigger. That is the biggest foundational mistake in PE. We are not working with skeletal muscle here. At the gym, of course you break those muscle fibers and they grow bigger and stronger. Hypertrophy. With the penis, we are working with smooth muscle and collagen tissue. Tendon, connective tissue. These structure respond in a complete different way to tension, weight, force. Causing inflammation or damage to these cells WILL NOT translate into growth.

The correct approach to PE is ECM reorganization, and that is what Ultrasound provides in the case of the septum which is very difficult to make it respond to stimuli.
 
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Hey Igigi, thanks for the very detailed response. Interesting to see that length eventually halted and girth exploded as much as your length gains.
I was trying to figure out how I would walk into an X-ray/Ultrasound clinic and explain my thoughts. 🤣🤣
They would probably chase me outside.
I’ll do some research on a device that can be used at home and see where it goes.
Wouldn’t mind trying something like this if it has broken you out of a 10 year barrier.
 

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US Pro 2000 Second Edition is the device most of us have been using for this purpose.

Keep in mind, some of us use 2 devices simultaneously. Simply because once you reach a certain BPFSL, one device is not enough. By the time you are heating up one area, the previous area start cooling down. The idea behind this principle is to keep steady high temperatures at all time during the therapy.

I believe that 1 device is good for up to 18ish cm in BPFSL
 
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Beginning roll program.

Starting Period 3 of Ultrasound PE, the quest for the foot long of phallic apparatus continues.

It has been over a year since I did my second period of US. I finished that second period with the accomplishment of 10 inches of BPFSL. (25.4cm)

One of the first parameters to start a new period is of course measurement. I lost 9mm during all this time with zero PE. Today I measured 24.6cm of BPFSL.

The first session was very conservative in terms of time and weight. I applied 30 minutes of creep, increasing 200gm every 4 minutes reaching maximum of 2.6kg throughout the whole session. Performed 30 minutes cold plus 20 minutes under US.

Today I decided to not use assistance from the IR lamp in order to more accurately measure temperature in the surface of the septum. Once I have a stable cluster of data on temperature, I will re-apply the IR lamp.

Weight was less in order to avoid at all costs the development of blisters which halts immediately the therapy until they heal.

Therefore, todays, numbers are:

Pre BPFSL: 24.6cm
Post BPFSL: 24.9cm
Strain: 1.21%
 

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Where do you place both heads of the US device, the top, sides or under the shaft?
Can they rest in one spot through out the therapy or do they need to be moved around in circular motions to prevent the gel from drying out.
 

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Under the shaft, ventral side.
They must be moved around in rotation, otherwise they will cook your tissues or even more dangerous kill your red blood cells poisoning your blood.
 
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I’m busy reading kyrpa’s thread and man did he do PE scientifically.
Everything he did was researched and planned to the T.
30 minutes 2kg pre stretch, 20 minute 3kg US stretch followed by 10 min manuals.
Not much weight used and he made phenomenal progress, now I can see and understand what you are doing.
Looking forward to see how you get on. 👌👍
 
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I’m busy reading kyrpa’s thread and man did he do PE scientifically.
Everything he did was researched and planned to the T.
30 minutes 2kg pre stretch, 20 minute 3kg US stretch followed by 10 min manuals.
Not much weight used and he made phenomenal progress, now I can see and understand what you are doing.
Looking forward to see how you get on. 👌👍

And that is why this works.

BTW, I haven't been able to continue with my therapy. I got sick last week and was feeling like sh*t. This week too much work, but as soon as I have a chance I will resume.
 
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I was wondering why you were so quiet on your US PE, health comes first and Johnson’s second.
You’ve got me convinced and sold on this, I’ve purchased a US device and will start next year.
Kyrpa used a PMP vacuum chamber for his attachment, what vacuum device are you using?
 

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I was wondering why you were so quiet on your US PE, health comes first and Johnson’s second.
You’ve got me convinced and sold on this, I’ve purchased a US device and will start next year.
Kyrpa used a PMP vacuum chamber for his attachment, what vacuum device are you using?

The attachment is a dilemma. I have been using an old cup I have from monkeybar. There is a fine line between the maximum weight that your glans can sustain and developing blisters.

Now my recommendation, and what I will get soon, is an LGhanger vacuum cup. It is way more expensive, but the quality and the fact that is custom made I believe can make a significant difference.
 

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Yes, I know all about them blisters.
With the PMP chamber it only grabs the glans therefore you are able to US the entire shaft.
With the LG attachment you loose a portion of the top shaft from being heated due to the silicone sleeve taking an inch & half. I’m not too sure if that much will hinder progress.
I have both attachments and will start with the PMP at light weights, because it’s given me horrendous blisters in the past.
 

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Very nice routine and informative thread @Igigi. (y)

The past few years I've been reading a lot about gainswave, p-shot and ultrasound/schockwave therapy. Most only talk about ed benefits but I've always wondered if ultrasound therapy can actually help with gaining more with penile enlargement methods. Some even say that it helps to correct a curvature...

Usual methods to deal with stubborn tissue are to use heat/massages/vacuum/tougher routines or long decon breaks.

I wonder which method is better for pe ultrasound therapy or shock wave therapy? :unsure:

Some day I need to try this for myself and see what all the hype is about. :)
 
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Shockwave therapy improves EQ but counteract gains made in length. In other words, shockwave tends to shrink the penis while improving EQ which makes sense.

In our experience with Ultrasound therapy, we have concluded that a loss of EQ is expected as the tunica enlarges while the CC's stay the same size. The more the ratio between BPFSL and BPEL increase, the more the EQ is decreased.

This is why once target BPFSL length is achieved, a routine for BPEL should be started in order to close the gap between BPFSL and BPEL.
 
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Shockwave therapy improves EQ but counteract gains made in length. In other words, shockwave tends to shrink the penis while improving EQ which makes sense.

In our experience with Ultrasound therapy, we have concluded that a loss of EQ is expected as the tunica enlarges while the CC's stay the same size. The more the ratio between BPFSL and BPEL increase, the more the EQ is decreased.

This is why once target BPFSL length is achieved, a routine for BPEL should be started in order to close the gap between BPFSL and BPEL.
Thank you, that's good to know. (y)

Here in Germany there are a lot of ultrasound devices on the market but also many cheap devices from china. Most of them seem to be used by women for skincare. I'm hesistant on which device I should get. I've heard of the phoenix (acoustic sound device) in the US is supposed to be good. What device would you recommened? Which specs does the ultrasound device need to have to be effective for pe (is 3 Mhz enough or does it need to be more for penile tissue)?
 
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