fat pad and visceral fat

[Pegasus]

I will try to diet and see what works.
When I say is it possible, what I really meant was is it possible for anyone at my age (mid 20s) to lose all fat pad and/or MAINTAIN single digit body fat. This is the thinnest I have ever been (dick pick warning) and that was on k.e.t.o. and I am really questioning if I can even get down to that without doing k agan.
Mind you I still had a decent fatpad and to my memory it didn't really change that much.


I'm starting to think most of those male models that are that muscular and cut are doing steroids.

I was naturally thin as a young guy and had single digit bf% through my teens and most of my 20's . This resulted in basically no fatpad . I did not diet to lose weight at all however my activity level and metabolism were high .
Certainly many athletes maintain low bf% . However for most it is very difficult depending on a wide range of factors including genetics .
Re fatpad as a specific if we break factors into 2 groups genetic and non genetic and try to work on the non genetic factors . So you get the factors in this thread being the ones we can work on along with general weight loss .

 

[HansTwilight]

Many also get lipo (at least according to a buddy of mine who works in that industry).

Does he know if that lipo is maintainable or do they have to get it done again?
There are also quite a few pornstars who I think are doing that too. Jules Jordan being one of them.

 

[Johnny D]

Does he know if that lipo is maintainable or do they have to get it done again?
There are also quite a few pornstars who I think are doing that too. Jules Jordan being one of them.

Don't underestimate the effects of heavy weights for getting and staying lean. I have a couple of close friends whom I know to be drug free and have bodies that compare with models, etc... Their nutrition is ok but what really separates them is how much time they're in the gym and what they do with that time. Lots of HIIT, of course, coupled with a very generous dose of throwing weight around. Oh... And they sleep WAY more than most of us.

 

[Pegasus]

Don't underestimate the effects of heavy weights for getting and staying lean. I have a couple of close friends whom I know to be drug free and have bodies that compare with models, etc... Their nutrition is ok but what really separates them is how much time they're in the gym and what they do with that time. Lots of HIIT, of course, coupled with a very generous dose of throwing weight around. Oh... And they sleep WAY more than most of us.

Bet their story about being drug free was not as convincing as Lee Priests.

 

[Johnny D]

Bet their story about being drug free was not as convincing as Lee Priests.

I know them well enough to know they're not just stories. Anyway, these guys aren't body builders - that's not the kind of models I would compare them with. They look like your typical fitness clothing model. Not huge body builder types but very lean and muscular. Drugs aren't required to achieve that look. Lots of hard work, good nutrition, and sleep can do it for some.

 

[Carguy88]

Trim, cut, fit? Totally doable for many without drugs.
Ripped, shredded, beastial, jacked? Yeah, maybe for the unicorn in the room, but for most? They won't be natural.

Fat loss and muscle gain are going to be different body to body. Some commonalities run across the board, like men tend to struggle more with visceral fat, but there are always some differences. One example being, I have a hell of a time bulking pecs. Most men I know don't.
I can get trim and cut (outside of frontal core) pretty easily. I struggle with my pecs and with the visceral fat. At my best definition, if I flexed I would have a cut 8-pack, but relaxed it pudged. If I focused more on cardiovascular excercises, I could see more of an effect.

 

[Pegasus]

Umm guys I have been around gyms a long time . Is a good bod as distinct from a competitive one achievable without drugs sure . But truth is most guys look for the easy route lots of guys with beach bods on drugs and where there is money to be made even more common. So for instance male strippers are commonly geting chemical help.

Anyway back on thread.

Carguy you may find the info on this thread of interest if core fat is a problem.

 

[HansTwilight]

Trim, cut, fit? Totally doable for many without drugs.
Ripped, shredded, beastial, jacked? Yeah, maybe for the unicorn in the room, but for most? They won't be natural.

Define trim and cut vs ripped and shredded.

 

[savage_inequalities]

Does he know if that lipo is maintainable or do they have to get it done again?
There are also quite a few pornstars who I think are doing that too. Jules Jordan being one of them.

From my understanding, it's something you should only have to do once. Assuming you maintain a decent diet and exercise regularly, the weight doesn't really come back on. I do think some of this is genetic though. I got myself down to a dangerously lean physique my senior year of high school (basically by starving myself and insane amounts of cardio). I stopped because I noticed that my hair, fingernails, and toenails basically stopped growing (yikes) and I began feeling like crap. Although even at that weight/size, I don't recall my fat pad ever completely going away.

Some people I suppose are genetically lucky. For the rest, there is either accepting yourself, surgical intervention (lipo) or chemical alternatives (steroids and the like). With that being said, I'm also wondering if maybe fat is simply one component. In other words, perhaps the type of skin one has also plays a role (ie: skin thickness, elasticity, etc...).

 

[Big Al]

Define trim and cut vs ripped and shredded.

"Ripped" would be where you see cross striations in many of the muscle groups.

Once you get into the single digit percentages, it's like an asymptotic curve the closer you get to zero.

 

[Pegasus]

Ok so talk to the dietician and she was big on alcohol being a factor in core fat specificly especially in combo with fast acting carbs so beer and rice crackers not a good combo.
Also spoke about sparing muscle and some other stuff not relevant to the thread .

 

[Carguy88]

Shredded being where there is muscle striations and obvious vascularity visible- usually body builders will do a ritual of fasting, hydration, etc to really make their skin shrink back for shows- a process of "shredding". Some get here without drugs, but it is hard on your body regardless.
Ripped, like Al said, being where muscle striations are visible normally. Unless you have big veins, you usually won't see massive vascularity under normal hydration, rest, eating.

Cut is generally where a person's muscle definition is obvious (taken in whole, not every single muscle haha), without going into over-done proportions. For most this is about as good as you are going to get without becoming either a gymrat or juicer. Some struggle to even get to a "cut" point without compromising daily life (inside of the standard healthy lifestyle)

Trim is pretty much just low body fat, decent definition but nothing glaring.

Some people draw the lines a bit differently, I'm just going off of family bodybuilders vernacular, family personal trainers vernacular, and personal experience at the gym through the years.
I'm not an expert, take what you will and leave what you will.

 

[Pegasus]

Ok so there are 2 guys on this thread who are going to do some work on the thread premise . The shred part is not relevant to me .
What is relevant to the thread is specific fat loss so fatpad and visceral fat . I will measure visceral via dexa.

 

[Pegasus]

My experience as a mod onsite is that slimish /average guys have a pad around half an inch to an inch . So given my bf% is 19% I should expect to have an inch or a little more . So my pad is an inch and a half so perhaps more than would normally be expected . Likewise my visceral is greater than would be expected for my bf% .

 

[Pegasus]

I am actually slightly over my starting weight from the last dexa

 

[BBC Action]

I disagree, carbs and sugars make you store fat. Cutting out all sugars (processed or natural) and limiting your carb intake so you have just as much energy your body needs is what most bodybuilders do. Some of them even do k.e.t.o.
I don't know why the system doesn't let us type the word "k.e.t.o" out.

I lost muscle running a k.e.t.o diet. Carb cycling was my go to diet. I never cut carbs, because they are anabolic. Limiting my carb intake greatly decreased my performance and therefore decreased the calories I burned. Also, muscle loss contributes to a slower metabolism. You can not store fat on a caloric deficit. If you gain fat while losing weight there are other factors involved like lack of adequate protein intake and lack of physical activity to keep any muscle mass you have on.

 

[BBC Action]

If you aren't looking to get shredded, just get down to ~15% bodyfat and you should see a significant change in fat pat and overall fat. Anything under that, you will lose less fat over all, but it will make a big difference appearance wise.

 

[Pegasus]

Well Hans fat and fat pad is less than mine so it is a good counterpoint .
I have said previous I lost weight and waist size and did not lose fat .
Protein was not an issue .
Now BBC re "lack of physical activity". Well i certainly did not lack physical activity especially compared to a typical guy my age . However an injury had impinged my ability to train as i did previous . So the big lifts the squats ,deads and powercleans . Result loss of muscle mass even though I was still training, resulting in a higher bf% at a lower bodyweight though I did not actually gain much fat..

 

[BBC Action]

I understand that you gained bodyfat% because your muscle mass lowered due to not having proper training volume/intensity to maintain it. You would've been able to maintain it if you ate at maintenance calories or a caloric surplus, but since you are on a diet, muscle not be spared of you aren't training as well combined with a caloric deficit. Muscle loss is extremely hard to achieve if you have your diet in check, even in a caloric deficit. But at your age it's a toss up.

 

[Pegasus]

I understand that you gained bodyfat% because your muscle mass lowered due to not having proper training volume/intensity to maintain it. You would've been able to maintain it if you ate at maintenance calories or a caloric surplus, but since you are on a diet, muscle not be spared of you aren't training as well combined with a caloric deficit. Muscle loss is extremely hard to achieve if you have your diet in check, even in a caloric deficit. But at your age it's a toss up.

So much to challange here I don;t know if I can be bothered .
"Proper " training well as I said injury affected my normal training practise . My experience and from what I have seen over prolonged time in gyms around athletes etc is that muscle loss is not "extreamly hard".

Can we keep on thread