I've been doing this exercise for the last few days now, must say it's definitely showing me that I have quite a big reliance on sexual stimuli in order to get erect, which is a bit of an inconvenience when trying to stay at a 7. However, I shall keep at it, hopefully after a few weeks I'll break the connection, have less of a dependence on porn to get me aroused and can work towards my time goals. Cheers ByggD great article
ByggD's Guide to Controlling Your Ejaculation Response
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And how about the guys who never want to have sex, thus, the lasting longer does not apply, is all this necessary? For someone who simply wants to edge as part of their PE routine, of course.
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Hey there ByggD, great advice and program here!
I came here with a question, what is your opinion on porn nowadays?
Majority (if not everybody here) are anti-porn and I have been staying off porn aswell.
But you really seem to have good understanding about how the brain works and stuff, so will watching porn have effecton premature ejaculation? If so, what, for better or worse?
This kinda baffles me, because there seem to be two sides for porn. Other side seems to make people harder to cum during sex (for example getting used to high amount of mental stimuli via porn). and the other side fastens prem ejac (Twisted perspective on sex, looking at the porn males go on and on ad on without cumming could cause performance anxiety).
This question is mainly aimed at ByggD, but others feel free to respond your thoughts too.
I came here with a question, what is your opinion on porn nowadays?
Majority (if not everybody here) are anti-porn and I have been staying off porn aswell.
But you really seem to have good understanding about how the brain works and stuff, so will watching porn have effecton premature ejaculation? If so, what, for better or worse?
This kinda baffles me, because there seem to be two sides for porn. Other side seems to make people harder to cum during sex (for example getting used to high amount of mental stimuli via porn). and the other side fastens prem ejac (Twisted perspective on sex, looking at the porn males go on and on ad on without cumming could cause performance anxiety).
This question is mainly aimed at ByggD, but others feel free to respond your thoughts too.
@Smu
I don't think ByggD is active anymore. And more in moderation can be useful, but when abused Premature Ejaculation and Performance Anxiety is what you get out of it. People who have severe cases of Premature Ejaculation, Performance Anxiety, Hypersensitivity, Over-arousal--they try to stay off porn completely. Also, people who have mild case of ED benefit from cutting out porn completely.
As long as you can have an erection from physical stimulation or your imagination, porn won't harm you as much. But when you rely on porn to get erection, over time it can have some serious consequences.
Cris
I don't think ByggD is active anymore. And more in moderation can be useful, but when abused Premature Ejaculation and Performance Anxiety is what you get out of it. People who have severe cases of Premature Ejaculation, Performance Anxiety, Hypersensitivity, Over-arousal--they try to stay off porn completely. Also, people who have mild case of ED benefit from cutting out porn completely.
As long as you can have an erection from physical stimulation or your imagination, porn won't harm you as much. But when you rely on porn to get erection, over time it can have some serious consequences.
Cris
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Why should I stop masturbating when my arousal is raising? I thought I should tell myself to get back to 7? :S
Do I always have to stop masturbating until I'm flaccid again when my arousal is raising?
I believe it's going to best to replace the "porn" in ByggD's system with a willing and friendly female sex partner, gf or wife.
If you can't get a hard rock erection, but only a 75% only, will this work? The issue is that when stroking the urge to blow the load comes in a minute. Many times even with the dick at 50% erection. So I guess to try to gain more time you just have to edge and edge and edge? Tough thing when instead of focusing on controlling PEjac you have first to try to convince the penis to get and stay hard....
Pesagus, been doing them for 3 weeks now. Have not noticed any substantial improvements yet - those rock hard, up erections are still missing.
I just started this training exercise a couple of days ago (tonight was literally my second night) and I have already encountered a problem.
I had little problems the first night. I had to stop and calm down a few times when doing the second 3 minute part, but it wasn't too bad and I ended the night not ejaculating like suggested. However tonight I had a really hard time staying under control. I set my timer for 6 minutes for the first half but I had to stop so many times due to over stimulation that it was ridiculous. Right from the beginning I already felt like I was at 8ish. I would stop and calm myself down to about a 6 but then as soon as I started again I almost instantly shot back up to an 8. In the ended, I ended up ejaculating on accident not long after the second 6 minute set (I actually lessened the reps for the second set instead of raising them since raising them would have definitely resulted in ejaculation) had even started. I even got a little soft between the two 6 minute sets as I was resetting my timer and reapplying lube. Any suggestions on what I should do? Should I just stick to the 3 minute thing for a while instead of trying to up the time to 6? Or suggestions about my massive arousal jumps from 6-8/9 in just a few strokes?
Also, I'm doing JP's 90 Day beginner Routine at the same time as doing this. I did my first session of that routine today about 6 or 7 hours prior to my session on this routine. Could that also be part of it? Would doing both these routines at the same time be a bad idea?
I had little problems the first night. I had to stop and calm down a few times when doing the second 3 minute part, but it wasn't too bad and I ended the night not ejaculating like suggested. However tonight I had a really hard time staying under control. I set my timer for 6 minutes for the first half but I had to stop so many times due to over stimulation that it was ridiculous. Right from the beginning I already felt like I was at 8ish. I would stop and calm myself down to about a 6 but then as soon as I started again I almost instantly shot back up to an 8. In the ended, I ended up ejaculating on accident not long after the second 6 minute set (I actually lessened the reps for the second set instead of raising them since raising them would have definitely resulted in ejaculation) had even started. I even got a little soft between the two 6 minute sets as I was resetting my timer and reapplying lube. Any suggestions on what I should do? Should I just stick to the 3 minute thing for a while instead of trying to up the time to 6? Or suggestions about my massive arousal jumps from 6-8/9 in just a few strokes?
Also, I'm doing JP's 90 Day beginner Routine at the same time as doing this. I did my first session of that routine today about 6 or 7 hours prior to my session on this routine. Could that also be part of it? Would doing both these routines at the same time be a bad idea?
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Hi I've started edging few days ago and thought I should visit this thread before I do something wrong.
I have PreE and tried to fix it by doing kegels/reverse kegels/deep breathing but thought I ought to retrain my brain
since I assume my PreE results from wrong masturbation habits with porn.
It's a great post and I'm surprised to hear what you're friend has become to.
That's amazing.
I have a few questions though.
1. By Week 1, do you mean I should masturbate every day and cum every 3 days?
2. When I do not cum, should I just stop masturbating when the time is done? (for ex. 5 min or 10 min, whichever I determined to do for the day)
Thx.
I have PreE and tried to fix it by doing kegels/reverse kegels/deep breathing but thought I ought to retrain my brain
since I assume my PreE results from wrong masturbation habits with porn.
It's a great post and I'm surprised to hear what you're friend has become to.
That's amazing.
I have a few questions though.
1. By Week 1, do you mean I should masturbate every day and cum every 3 days?
2. When I do not cum, should I just stop masturbating when the time is done? (for ex. 5 min or 10 min, whichever I determined to do for the day)
Thx.
ByggD and company: This is an excellent thread. I love to see men share their experiences in such detail. This is what this community is about.
Has anybody who has been on this program seen any results? Im thinking about starting it soon here, but am curious if this is a good route to go?
So far so good. I have started my 4th week today and have noticed some improvements already. Week 1 and 2 I followed the same formula of not distractions at all, blind folded, ears plugs etc, I did this so I could really get an understanding of what happens when I get the urge to cum. I've noticed in the 1st two weeks that I have a lot of involuntary keegals, this seems to make things worse for me so I've been doing r/kg co counteract involuntary keegals. Working well so far.
Week 3 was week 2 for me, added auditory stimili which straight away made things trickier, the sound seemed to have a negative effect on me and the 1st day I was at PONR within 2 mins, compare to 6/8mins in the 1st two weeks. I guess a lot of my PE issues might be physiological...the good thing about that its that I got used to the sound and by the end of the week I managed to edge for 20mins before PONR...this has never happened before so that its great.
Today I've added video, only 5mins. Again, today it seemed trickier, I was at PONR within 3 mins...I guess it will be similar to week 3 where I have to get used to it first and learned to control myself more.
Work in progress but I will say that so far I am happy with my results, some days are better than others but that's to be expected. I haven't been with a girl since starting this programme so cannot say for sure how things would pan out if that was the case.
Hope that helps.
I just started this technique, and I decided to write down my experience with it.
First of all I would like to start with how did I end up here. I am in relationship with my gf for 4 years so far. First time we had intercourse I end it up right after I enter her, I explained to her that this probably happened because, her vagina felt so warm and that was my first time, but during our 4-years relationship I made her feel vaginal orgasm ~5 times (It might be so that she faked one or two). All the time i thought my PE problem will solve itself somehow, If i regularly have sex with her, but I still suffer from PE. Even thought my girlfriend is supportive and she understands that I have problems, I fell that our intercourse is not the same we had during first year of our relationship. So finally I made myself to start doing something about my PE problem instead of hoping that one day it just simple pass.
More about my ejaculation itself. I usually can go for 3-5 minutes without any problems, but once my girlfriend starts enjoying our intercourse she starts making noises, the noises every woman makes when she feels pleasure. Once I hear those noises it's a dead end to me, suddenly I start to feel that she is nearly done and...:
1. I start to hustle as fast as I can hoping she will cum first.
2. I try to ignore the noises she make and keep the same tempo, but then ideas like "Come on, don't you even thing about releasing the load now" comes to my head, but even my cock is nearly exploding or my brain is pushing me into the corner, I still try to satisfy her, usually I try to give myself a one final break, I dive into her vagina and try to stimulate her orally, meanwhile I try to push the end of my penis (performing stop and squeeze technique) and also giving my penis few seconds to rest, but after I know she already started making noises I can be in her vagina for no longer than 5 seconds.
By the way those few times I made her happy was when I was using something: (Durex Performa / Alcohol / Somekind of delay cream).
Anyway I really feel that the biggest problem I have is in my head, because I always, really ALWAYS think about how to last longer, how to make her happy, how crappy I always perform or any other pessimistic thought.
Few times when alcohol helped me solve thinking problems, or I thought what condoms really helps me I was going for ~15minutes till I couldn't cum at all and lost my erection.
So this was short story of my sexual life.
Now about this technique. I started it yesterday, so:
Day 1.
I applied lube, set the clock for 15minutes and started jerking, my erection felt like it is 60-70% hard, the speed was ~2 strokes per second, and after few minutes I reached PONR, so i stopped for a while telling myself what everything is fine and I have to go back to level 7, but depending on my cock hardness I definitely went to level 5.5. So for few more minutes i was jerking again then the same thing. Then suddenly alarm announced that I am jerking for 15minutes, I felt alright, continued jerking till I reach PONR, and after less than a minute it came and I stopped, leaving myself with no orgasm that evening.
Day 2. I woke up with strange felling in my cock, like he wants to cum, and it is annoying me all the day, because he is sending signals to my brain, then brain says to me that I need to jerk my thing, but I send both my brain and cock far away, and waited for an evening to perform the edging. Also this same day I have red about reverse kegel and also kegelling during sex. Then I actually remembered that I do feel myself kegelling during sex even if I don't perform kegel moves. Anyway...
I set the clock for 20 minutes, applied lube, and started jerking again, this time PONR came really fast, probably my brain and cock thought "finally this guy realized what we are waiting for", so i stopped for a half minute, started again, when stopped for a half minute, then started again, but this time I placed one of my fingers on the space between balls and anus, and I felt that with every stroke I do PC muscle flex everytime, but I didn't feel that myself, only when the finger was applied, so I thought " ok, PC muscle is flexing I will perform reverse kegel" at first it doesn't helped at all, so i started stroking because I also felt PONR coming, I fixed everything went down to level 6, because I felt like my erection got a little harder this time. Started stroking again, but this time I hold reverse kegel, or at least i thought i hold it, also I started breathing very deep down it felt like I am breaking with my lower abs, which at the same time was tight because I was holding reverse kegel I was going like that for few seconds, then I i stopped trying to do reverse kegel, and I felt very good while stroking like I am controlling everything, but at the same time i felt like my anus is hugging something, I don't know where this feeling came from. So I was keeping somewhere in between level 6-9, breathing deeply, and made up to minute 20, when alarm started, when i lost my focus a little, turned off alarm and kept stroking for one more minute till I reached PONR again, and stopped.
So this is my previous experience using this technique. Please comment, what do you think I am doing right, or what I am doing wrong, and also if you have any other thought to share, because I would really like to make my girlfriend scream out of pleasure.
I would also like to apologize for my English, because I am pretty sure some of my expressions are hard to understand..
I have something to add...
I forgot to mention something about myself...
I am 23 years old, average guy with a little over sized belly, which grown from beer and eating before going to sleep...
I am pretty sure that my PE problems could have came from early days when I was discovering parts of my body since 13-14years old, and watching porn while no-one is at home, but I was watching porn in a rush, I was always holding PC muscle as much as i could to reach orgasm as soon as possible.
I don't know if further information is relevant, but it won't hurt to mention it: I am civil engineer so I spend a lot of time next to computer or in the car.
When I go for sports I usually play basketball for at least 2 hours, but I get sweaty after 5 minutes of intense play, and I also run out of stamina very fast after about 10-15 minutes of intense play. After 5 minutes I am ready to go again. In the school I always had trouble running long distances like 2-3 km, but I was one of the fastest in 100-150metres sprint run.
First of all I would like to start with how did I end up here. I am in relationship with my gf for 4 years so far. First time we had intercourse I end it up right after I enter her, I explained to her that this probably happened because, her vagina felt so warm and that was my first time, but during our 4-years relationship I made her feel vaginal orgasm ~5 times (It might be so that she faked one or two). All the time i thought my PE problem will solve itself somehow, If i regularly have sex with her, but I still suffer from PE. Even thought my girlfriend is supportive and she understands that I have problems, I fell that our intercourse is not the same we had during first year of our relationship. So finally I made myself to start doing something about my PE problem instead of hoping that one day it just simple pass.
More about my ejaculation itself. I usually can go for 3-5 minutes without any problems, but once my girlfriend starts enjoying our intercourse she starts making noises, the noises every woman makes when she feels pleasure. Once I hear those noises it's a dead end to me, suddenly I start to feel that she is nearly done and...:
1. I start to hustle as fast as I can hoping she will cum first.
2. I try to ignore the noises she make and keep the same tempo, but then ideas like "Come on, don't you even thing about releasing the load now" comes to my head, but even my cock is nearly exploding or my brain is pushing me into the corner, I still try to satisfy her, usually I try to give myself a one final break, I dive into her vagina and try to stimulate her orally, meanwhile I try to push the end of my penis (performing stop and squeeze technique) and also giving my penis few seconds to rest, but after I know she already started making noises I can be in her vagina for no longer than 5 seconds.
By the way those few times I made her happy was when I was using something: (Durex Performa / Alcohol / Somekind of delay cream).
Anyway I really feel that the biggest problem I have is in my head, because I always, really ALWAYS think about how to last longer, how to make her happy, how crappy I always perform or any other pessimistic thought.
Few times when alcohol helped me solve thinking problems, or I thought what condoms really helps me I was going for ~15minutes till I couldn't cum at all and lost my erection.
So this was short story of my sexual life.
Now about this technique. I started it yesterday, so:
Day 1.
I applied lube, set the clock for 15minutes and started jerking, my erection felt like it is 60-70% hard, the speed was ~2 strokes per second, and after few minutes I reached PONR, so i stopped for a while telling myself what everything is fine and I have to go back to level 7, but depending on my cock hardness I definitely went to level 5.5. So for few more minutes i was jerking again then the same thing. Then suddenly alarm announced that I am jerking for 15minutes, I felt alright, continued jerking till I reach PONR, and after less than a minute it came and I stopped, leaving myself with no orgasm that evening.
Day 2. I woke up with strange felling in my cock, like he wants to cum, and it is annoying me all the day, because he is sending signals to my brain, then brain says to me that I need to jerk my thing, but I send both my brain and cock far away, and waited for an evening to perform the edging. Also this same day I have red about reverse kegel and also kegelling during sex. Then I actually remembered that I do feel myself kegelling during sex even if I don't perform kegel moves. Anyway...
I set the clock for 20 minutes, applied lube, and started jerking again, this time PONR came really fast, probably my brain and cock thought "finally this guy realized what we are waiting for", so i stopped for a half minute, started again, when stopped for a half minute, then started again, but this time I placed one of my fingers on the space between balls and anus, and I felt that with every stroke I do PC muscle flex everytime, but I didn't feel that myself, only when the finger was applied, so I thought " ok, PC muscle is flexing I will perform reverse kegel" at first it doesn't helped at all, so i started stroking because I also felt PONR coming, I fixed everything went down to level 6, because I felt like my erection got a little harder this time. Started stroking again, but this time I hold reverse kegel, or at least i thought i hold it, also I started breathing very deep down it felt like I am breaking with my lower abs, which at the same time was tight because I was holding reverse kegel I was going like that for few seconds, then I i stopped trying to do reverse kegel, and I felt very good while stroking like I am controlling everything, but at the same time i felt like my anus is hugging something, I don't know where this feeling came from. So I was keeping somewhere in between level 6-9, breathing deeply, and made up to minute 20, when alarm started, when i lost my focus a little, turned off alarm and kept stroking for one more minute till I reached PONR again, and stopped.
So this is my previous experience using this technique. Please comment, what do you think I am doing right, or what I am doing wrong, and also if you have any other thought to share, because I would really like to make my girlfriend scream out of pleasure.
I would also like to apologize for my English, because I am pretty sure some of my expressions are hard to understand..
I have something to add...
I forgot to mention something about myself...
I am 23 years old, average guy with a little over sized belly, which grown from beer and eating before going to sleep...
I am pretty sure that my PE problems could have came from early days when I was discovering parts of my body since 13-14years old, and watching porn while no-one is at home, but I was watching porn in a rush, I was always holding PC muscle as much as i could to reach orgasm as soon as possible.
I don't know if further information is relevant, but it won't hurt to mention it: I am civil engineer so I spend a lot of time next to computer or in the car.
When I go for sports I usually play basketball for at least 2 hours, but I get sweaty after 5 minutes of intense play, and I also run out of stamina very fast after about 10-15 minutes of intense play. After 5 minutes I am ready to go again. In the school I always had trouble running long distances like 2-3 km, but I was one of the fastest in 100-150metres sprint run.
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First of all hi everyone, got a great forum here and this thread is something else BD.
Ive been working on controlling my ejaculation response for a few weeks now, I've got to the point where I can reduce my level of arousal to a controllable level when masturbating without lube. However as soon as I add lube I just become way to sensitive and no matter what I try to do I loose control and have to stop completely to prevent ejaculation.
Any ideas what I could do or just keep going with the routine?
Ive been working on controlling my ejaculation response for a few weeks now, I've got to the point where I can reduce my level of arousal to a controllable level when masturbating without lube. However as soon as I add lube I just become way to sensitive and no matter what I try to do I loose control and have to stop completely to prevent ejaculation.
Any ideas what I could do or just keep going with the routine?
A suggestion for you, Newboy, would be to add lube but edge a lot slower, and maybe a lighter grip also. Then build up from there. I had to do the same thing at one point.
Well thank you Pegasus.
For a little background I started this program right after he posted it. It has been over a year but I can remember everything about it. I was lasting about 1-2 min during sex before I started. (Which was an improvement from where I started prior, 2-3 seconds. Yes you read that right...) I couldn't do the last week because I couldn't last 20 seconds to porn, but after stopping at the point my stamina in sex went up another 2-3min as long as I took my time and went slow.
This program did give me some success.
There were many great concepts I continued doing from this program and it helped shaped my Arousal Techniques Program on the sticky. The arousal techniques program also includes this thread, because it was very important. This thread was also what got me into cognitive behavioral therapy and the belief that you can reshape the pathways through the brain that effect habits. By treating Pre-E as a self-learned habit you can reshape your brain to go around the "Pre-E" segment that is programmed in there and sort of create a "detour". Overtime the detour becomes the main street and then hopefully over the years the main highway!
I would recommend to any new member that you learn more about your arousal before starting this thread to make sure that you have a psychological problem and not a physical one. In the Arousal Techniques sticky you can learn what your arousal symptoms are and how to deal with them. Then later in that program, whenever it calls for you to do the program on this thread, you will have a background on what to expect and I think you will have better results. However, you are more than welcome to dive into Byddg's program first if you want. This is just my recommendation.
I don't post too often on the forums because I am working on some big things concerning Pre-E in the near future. I am free to PM anyone needing help and I will also try to post on here to answer specific questions. I have successfully dealt with Pre-E and can now last as long as I want so I have a lot of experience with this.
For a little background I started this program right after he posted it. It has been over a year but I can remember everything about it. I was lasting about 1-2 min during sex before I started. (Which was an improvement from where I started prior, 2-3 seconds. Yes you read that right...) I couldn't do the last week because I couldn't last 20 seconds to porn, but after stopping at the point my stamina in sex went up another 2-3min as long as I took my time and went slow.
This program did give me some success.
There were many great concepts I continued doing from this program and it helped shaped my Arousal Techniques Program on the sticky. The arousal techniques program also includes this thread, because it was very important. This thread was also what got me into cognitive behavioral therapy and the belief that you can reshape the pathways through the brain that effect habits. By treating Pre-E as a self-learned habit you can reshape your brain to go around the "Pre-E" segment that is programmed in there and sort of create a "detour". Overtime the detour becomes the main street and then hopefully over the years the main highway!
I would recommend to any new member that you learn more about your arousal before starting this thread to make sure that you have a psychological problem and not a physical one. In the Arousal Techniques sticky you can learn what your arousal symptoms are and how to deal with them. Then later in that program, whenever it calls for you to do the program on this thread, you will have a background on what to expect and I think you will have better results. However, you are more than welcome to dive into Byddg's program first if you want. This is just my recommendation.
I don't post too often on the forums because I am working on some big things concerning Pre-E in the near future. I am free to PM anyone needing help and I will also try to post on here to answer specific questions. I have successfully dealt with Pre-E and can now last as long as I want so I have a lot of experience with this.
