A Doctor with Hard Flaccid - Updates and Advice

[Romero MD]

After years of dealing with this I've learned that hard flaccid is actually extremely common, there are likely millions world wide suffering with it and it was even being written about around a thousand years ago in ancient China and japan's, they even have their own name for it but i cannot remember.

There really is no excuse for why it hasn't been discovered by the medical proffesion and when doctors do realise somthing is wrong they then misdiagnose. I can give you tons of examples of urologists misdiagnosing people from this forum :

peyronies
A bacterial infection even though there was no evidence of this to which they prescribed some notorious hardcore antibiotic that ended up hospitalising a few people
A testosterone deficiency to which they then prescribed testosterone injections even though they had normal levels to begin with.
One guy was actually given surgery a few years back to stop his penis retracting because his symptoms were so severe (the surgery failed)
Some were diagnosed with an enlarged prostate and put on this fucking awful drug, the same one that's used in hairloss i believe and that ended up basically sterilising them and interfering with there hormones.

Yes, I feel you… It's sad and revolting…
On the one hand (contrary to what some people believe…), doctors are human... we are not gods, we are not perfect, we do not know everything, we also make mistakes. However, there are mistakes that have no excuse. It is one thing to make a mistake, when all the symptoms, all the tests and all the opinions of the whole team point to one condition and, after all, it is something else, that no one was expecting. It is quite another to make a mistake by incompetence, irresponsibility, or pride and lack of humility in admitting that we do not know the diagnosis/treatment, and we do not ask another colleague for opinion. These mistakes have no excuse. And I am the first to agree that doctors should be punished in these situations. Yes, it’s sad and it sucks…

P.S.: Finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) - the name of the devil's pill.

HFrecovering, I have a proposal for you, ma man For you and everyone who is suffering from Hard Flaccid. I've been reading some of your posts, for a few weeks now, and I have a challenge for you. I want you... to do the splits! Yes, seriously... I want you to train to do the 3 splits (Side and Front splits, on both legs). Yes, I'm really serious.

The member lee26 said in another thread that he thinks it is impossible for someone to be able to do the splits AND to have Hard Flaccid. And I think he is absolutely right!

So, let's see ...

The Recipe for Doing the Splits:
1 - You will have to stretch massively all the muscles in your legs that are around your pelvic floor.
2 - You will have to stretch massively all the muscles responsible for your daily posture.
3 - You will have to breathe. Breathe deeply. Many times. Each time you take a deep breath, your body relaxes. Your brain progressively turns off the Sympathetic Nervous System (Stress/Fight or Flight response) and turns on the Parasympathetic Nervous System (Peace/Rest/Relax). And believe me, you will breathe many, many times.
4 - You have to force your brain to BELIEVE that there is no danger. So that it can gradually decrease muscle tone, little by little. To allow you to massively stretch your muscles more and more, progressively, day after day. You are not just TRYING to relax (as in light Yoga or meditation), you are FORCING your brain to relax! You are COMMANDING him to turn off the Sympathetic Nervous System (Stress/Fight or Flight response).
5 - You will occupy your mind, everyday, with the workout. (FOCUS AND MINDFULNESS). You will relax from all the daily problems, family, work, etc. Why? Because you will feel a lot of PAIN... :biggrin1: If you are feeling pain (and forcing yourself to relax the pain), I don't think you have much capacity to stress about other problems.
6 - You will be doing moderately intense exercise. Static, dynamic and weighted flexibility is tough! Physical activity causes the brain to release endorphins after training. Which will give you happiness and well-being.
7 - In addition, you will put a heater in the room. The heat relaxes ALL muscles in your body. It will help in the process. And sweating is good. Keep a bottle of water nearby. And to train, you'll wear two baggy pants, one above the other. For example, pajamas under a tracksuit. Both pants will cushion the impact of your legs on the training mat. They will give you more comfort and warmth.
8 - And finally, absolutely important. You will do REVERSE KEGELS during ALL the stretches. To force the pelvic floor to stretch, while stretching everything around it.

Does that ring a bell?... It seems to me that the Recipe for Doing the Splits is just a Massive, Epic, Badass and Beastmode level HANS Protocol!

Heal your body by healing your mind. Heal your mind by healing your body.

In addition, you will do 3 other things:
1 - No sex, no masturbation, NO PORN! (My Master's Thesis in medicine was about Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction. Pornography is a complete demon for your brain!) You will only do 5 minutes of Edging (just with your imagination) every other day. I want your brain to restart completely, with the natural and glorious libido that you will start to feel. Man, I love sex…. Each time I make love to my girlfriend, it's never less than 2-3 hours (all activities). I am addicted to sex…. I used to ejaculate several times a week (sex or masturbation) before the injury. And, after the injury, I haven't ejaculated for almost 2 months! If I can, everyone can! I want you to compel your brain to give you spontaneous monster erections all day, every hour. As I am starting to have, after an injury (!!). If you start to feel the urge to masturbate, go stretch! Your new obsession is to do the splits, not to play with your dick. Forget your penis. As of today, you will only use it to pee, to shower, and do to 5min (!!!) of Edging, every other day. Your new addiction is to do the splits. It is not to come to PEGym, it is not to research all day the latest cure for Hard Flaccid, it is not to remember the state of your penis all the time. Your new hobby is to watch all videos on Youtube and online tutorials on how to make the 3 splits.
2 - Eat extraordinarily healthy
3 - Sleep at least 8 hours a day.

I give you 9 months. You have 9 months to be able to do the 3 splits. I challenge you: within 9 months, to come back to this thread and to declare, before everyone:
“Romero, you were wrong. I can already do the 3 splits perfectly and I still have Hard Flaccid.” I challenge you.

Yes, I know, I know… Hard Flaccid can have many causes... But I am really convinced that with this program, you are dealing with them all!

Finally, I would very much like to make you a request. Please... Please ask the Admins/Mods to change your profile name. Please, man... Your goal is to disconnect your mind and your life from Hard Flaccid. And logging in every day with that name is promoting exactly the opposite. Do it for you, for your mental health, and do it for me. Change it to your first name, to the name of your favorite superhero... Anything. Anything not related to Hard Flaccid. Can I suggest a name?... SplitsMaster!

Good luck partner. Be strong. Have faith. Be happy. And go stretch!!

 

[HFrecovering]

Yes, I feel you… It's sad and revolting…
On the one hand (contrary to what some people believe…), doctors are human... we are not gods, we are not perfect, we do not know everything, we also make mistakes. However, there are mistakes that have no excuse. It is one thing to make a mistake, when all the symptoms, all the tests and all the opinions of the whole team point to one condition and, after all, it is something else, that no one was expecting. It is quite another to make a mistake by incompetence, irresponsibility, or pride and lack of humility in admitting that we do not know the diagnosis/treatment, and we do not ask another colleague for opinion. These mistakes have no excuse. And I am the first to agree that doctors should be punished in these situations. Yes, it’s sad and it sucks…

P.S.: Finasteride (Proscar/Propecia) - the name of the devil's pill.

HFrecovering, I have a proposal for you, ma man For you and everyone who is suffering from Hard Flaccid. I've been reading some of your posts, for a few weeks now, and I have a challenge for you. I want you... to do the splits! Yes, seriously... I want you to train to do the 3 splits (Side and Front splits, on both legs). Yes, I'm really serious.

The member lee26 said in another thread that he thinks it is impossible for someone to be able to do the splits AND to have Hard Flaccid. And I think he is absolutely right!

So, let's see ...

The Recipe for Doing the Splits:
1 - You will have to stretch massively all the muscles in your legs that are around your pelvic floor.
2 - You will have to stretch massively all the muscles responsible for your daily posture.
3 - You will have to breathe. Breathe deeply. Many times. Each time you take a deep breath, your body relaxes. Your brain progressively turns off the Sympathetic Nervous System (Stress/Fight or Flight response) and turns on the Parasympathetic Nervous System (Peace/Rest/Relax). And believe me, you will breathe many, many times.
4 - You have to force your brain to BELIEVE that there is no danger. So that it can gradually decrease muscle tone, little by little. To allow you to massively stretch your muscles more and more, progressively, day after day. You are not just TRYING to relax (as in light Yoga or meditation), you are FORCING your brain to relax! You are COMMANDING him to turn off the Sympathetic Nervous System (Stress/Fight or Flight response).
5 - You will occupy your mind, everyday, with the workout. (FOCUS AND MINDFULNESS). You will relax from all the daily problems, family, work, etc. Why? Because you will feel a lot of PAIN... :biggrin1: If you are feeling pain (and forcing yourself to relax the pain), I don't think you have much capacity to stress about other problems.
6 - You will be doing moderately intense exercise. Static, dynamic and weighted flexibility is tough! Physical activity causes the brain to release endorphins after training. Which will give you happiness and well-being.
7 - In addition, you will put a heater in the room. The heat relaxes ALL muscles in your body. It will help in the process. And sweating is good. Keep a bottle of water nearby. And to train, you'll wear two baggy pants, one above the other. For example, pajamas under a tracksuit. Both pants will cushion the impact of your legs on the training mat. They will give you more comfort and warmth.
8 - And finally, absolutely important. You will do REVERSE KEGELS during ALL the stretches. To force the pelvic floor to stretch, while stretching everything around it.

Does that ring a bell?... It seems to me that the Recipe for Doing the Splits is just a Massive, Epic, Badass and Beastmode level HANS Protocol!

Heal your body by healing your mind. Heal your mind by healing your body.

In addition, you will do 3 other things:
1 - No sex, no masturbation, NO PORN! (My Master's Thesis in medicine was about Pornography Induced Erectile Dysfunction. Pornography is a complete demon for your brain!) You will only do 5 minutes of Edging (just with your imagination) every other day. I want your brain to restart completely, with the natural and glorious libido that you will start to feel. Man, I love sex…. Each time I make love to my girlfriend, it's never less than 2-3 hours (all activities). I am addicted to sex…. I used to ejaculate several times a week (sex or masturbation) before the injury. And, after the injury, I haven't ejaculated for almost 2 months! If I can, everyone can! I want you to compel your brain to give you spontaneous monster erections all day, every hour. As I am starting to have, after an injury (!!). If you start to feel the urge to masturbate, go stretch! Your new obsession is to do the splits, not to play with your dick. Forget your penis. As of today, you will only use it to pee, to shower, and do to 5min (!!!) of Edging, every other day. Your new addiction is to do the splits. It is not to come to PEGym, it is not to research all day the latest cure for Hard Flaccid, it is not to remember the state of your penis all the time. Your new hobby is to watch all videos on Youtube and online tutorials on how to make the 3 splits.
2 - Eat extraordinarily healthy
3 - Sleep at least 8 hours a day.

I give you 9 months. You have 9 months to be able to do the 3 splits. I challenge you: within 9 months, to come back to this thread and to declare, before everyone:
“Romero, you were wrong. I can already do the 3 splits perfectly and I still have Hard Flaccid.” I challenge you.

Yes, I know, I know… Hard Flaccid can have many causes... But I am really convinced that with this program, you are dealing with them all!

Finally, I would very much like to make you a request. Please... Please ask the Admins/Mods to change your profile name. Please, man... Your goal is to disconnect your mind and your life from Hard Flaccid. And logging in every day with that name is promoting exactly the opposite. Do it for you, for your mental health, and do it for me. Change it to your first name, to the name of your favorite superhero... Anything. Anything not related to Hard Flaccid. Can I suggest a name?... SplitsMaster!

Good luck partner. Be strong. Have faith. Be happy. And go stretch!!

Ive done intense almost nonstop physical therapy for over 10 years, ive done more or less every variation you can think of, the most brutal was 2 years of non stop bikram yoga.

I will admit though I've never really attempted to do the splits however currently i am doing a different variation of physical therapy called somatic pandiculation which targets the nervous system and it is helping me with my mental health aswell as physical body somewhat.

Im not dismissing trying the splits in the future but i have to be very careful with how much i take on, 10 years of physical therapy and physically intense employment has burned me out and resulted in a nervous breakdown a few years ago.

My current plan was just to carry on with somatics for a few months and then if i still feel sh*t i might possibly start a low dose SSRI to adress my anxiety and stress levels.

I will keep the splits in mind though, i remember that lee guy and spoke to him a few times.

In the spirit of things i will also hop on nofap with you, I've done it many times before (once for 9 months) and i think its time to have a extended break for a while as i throughly believe porn fucks the brain up and possibly messes with testosterone sensitivity.

 

[Romero MD]

Jeez, pal... You're a nervous wreck... It makes sense that all the physical therapy you've done over the years has no effect. Your Sympathetic Nervous System is always in machine-gun mode. You have to invest some time in your mental health too... I don't know what serious problems you may have in your life, and I'm not going to ask you on the Internet either... But let me try to explain something to you. Try to think a few minutes on this:

- What is the real benefit of stress? None.
- What advantage or improvement in life do we have in being anxious? None.
- All of our daily tasks, duties at our job, written and oral exams, job interviews, problems in our love relationship, problems with our children, dealing with complicated diseases… all of them are impaired and deteriorated by excessive stress. In none of them will anxiety improve the final result.
- What is the real function of stress? FIGHT or FLIGHT. So, do you have to fight crocodiles in your job?... Do you have to run away from lions during the day?... I bet you don't. Are you a marine fighting in Afghanistan? I hope you're not, that’s tough...
- In conclusion, stress and anxiety are completely useless.
- I can't remember a single moment in my life where anxiety or stress had helped. Well... maybe when I was 7, when I had to run away from that big dog on my uncle John's farm...

So, relax. Reduce cortisol, let testosterone flow and rest your mind

SplitsMaster (), please don't kill me for the question I'm going to ask you. But I, as a doctor, feel obliged to ask it.

Have you ever thought about talking to a psychiatrist?... Just... to talk. Just to have a friendly conversation. A relaxed, informal conversation, with no pressure or pre-defined goals. I think it would do you a lot of good.

And, possibly, later, if you think the conversation went well and it was nice, you and the doctor consider a psychotherapy program, with a cool psychologist that the doctor knows.

I will be honest with you. I am not a big lover of psychiatric pills… I think they should be used (and they have scientific evidence) in severe depression and acute states of great anxiety, and I have already recommended them a few times, in situations where I thought they could have some benefit. But, I recommended them always for the shortest period of time. Because I think that most people do not approach problems in the most effective and efficient way.

“…antidepressants improved symptoms in about an extra 20 out of 100 people.” - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK361016/

I not only think that the world population is currently taking too many psychiatric pills, but I also think that many of us have forgotten what are the two biggest weapons in combating anxiety and stress:
1 - Ourselves. Our inner strength. The power of our will. Our willingness to change for the better, regardless of how serious the problems that may be present in our lives are. The ability to ignore and not give a damn about what people, who don't like us, think about us. The ability to not give a fuck about their derogatory comments and opinions. The ability to deal with everyday life with Buddhist monk style. The desire to live to the fullest the only life we ​​have (I don’t believe in Heaven… I believe in the here and now). And the desire to be the best of ourselves, and to be happier than yesterday, every day.
2 - A good friend
(3 - Sleep 8 hours a day)

My friend, I know… Our mind can be a very complex and dark place... BUT, the more we become convinced of it and accept it naturally, the easier, simpler and less prejudiced it becomes to talk to someone, in times of weakness. Especially because in 99% of cases, it is not that we are weak... It is just that we are complex. It is not that we have to accept that we are inferior. It is that we accept that we are not omnipotent.

Our mind can be a very complex and dark place... but our willpower has the ability to make it a better and more beautiful place. Always.

Can I give you my advice? Call a good old friend to go jogging together outdoors. And in the end, go stretch together.

 

[Dangler]

alter-ego at work...keep you from doing anything that might threaten its job security.

 

[Romero MD]

alter-ego at work...keep you from doing anything that might threaten its job security.

Hahaha Yes... Very true, Dangler
I often advise in that context, with my friends and patients who come to me due to burnout, because of their jobs, their bosses and colleagues. Depression and mental exhaustion due to work is becoming a reality on an astronomical scale.

We live in a world with more and more work pressure. And where stress and anxiety is very contagious... Knowing how to listen to orders and criticisms in our job, but, at the same time, not letting our psychological system be affected by them, is very very important.

I have interesting updates, guys! I'll post them here later. Stay tuned :biggrin1:

 

[Romero MD]

Update August 24 - 8 weeks after injury:
- Three days ago, I woke up with the biggest morning erection of the last years! :biggrin1: 9/10, pointing upwards (I have a very upward angle). And I had to wait 3-4 minutes (without touching it) for it to come down, so that I could pee. And today, I had another cool morning erection (7-8/10), but it lasted less time.

- Two days ago, I had my first spontaneous 9/10 erection, sitting, just imagining hot sex with my girlfriend. During the past two days, I'm having spontaneous 7-9/10 erections, while sitting and lying down, several times (15-20) throughout the day. It's like being 16 again… :biggrin1:

- The teenager's sensitivity is back. I am having erections during the Reverse Kegeling + Soft Squeezes, without any kind of sexual thought or any type of external stimulus (visual or auditory).

- And, the sudden premature ejaculation is gone. Yesterday I did a 10-min Edging session (while Reverse Kegeling) without any sign of PONR. Absolutely nothing. I felt that I could continue the Edging session for much longer, without having to force any Kegel.

- Hard Flaccid, sitting, is becoming a rarity. Interestingly, the penis seems to become softer and more relaxed if I'm sitting in a more relaxed position, leaning back, with legs spread. On the already rare occasions that I have a hard flaccid sitting, I tend to be leaning forward. I think that sitting with a correct posture, leaning forward, maybe puts more pressure on the IC and BC muscles, and, consequently, on the pudendal arteries, worsening the Hard Flaccid. Or maybe I have an Anterior Pelvic Tilt while sitting leaning forward. Maybe both. I'm not sure...

- Hard Flaccid, standing up, remains the most serious symptom, but it is getting a little better every day. Now, I have it maybe for 50% of the time that I am standing. BUT, there are times when I can be soft and with normal BPFL, even without doing Reverse Kegeling. AND, yesterday, I had a 9/10 spontaneous erection, just with thoughts, while standing in the kitchen, that lasted for about 2 minutes, without touching it! :biggrin1:

- Hard Flaccid after erections is gone.

- Left Bend and Clockwise Twist - Okay, I’m more and more sure that I have a left IC muscle strain. Three days ago, I did my first light manual penile stretch, after the injury. (It was a medical test. My online doctor, Dr. Pegasus, asked me to try it… ) And I felt a "slight sharp pain" in my left groin, on the transition to the superior ligament (suspensory). I have had some small muscle strains in my life (Quadriceps, Deltoid, Psoas and Biceps) and this pain seemed to be very equal.

- In addition, an interesting thing. The Left Bend gets worse if I have a spontaneous erection while the penis is resting on the left groin. And I feel a sharp pain in the exact same place if I try to bring the penis to the right groin, while it is erect. In fact, I can't. The pain starts to be sharp right after the intermediate vertical position. On the other hand, if I start to have a spontaneous erection in the right groin (which I have immediately to bring to the intermediate vertical position, to avoid Involuntary Kegels), the left bend becomes much less pronounced. So, all this looks like: I had a strain of the left IC muscle, which contracted right after the injury (to protect the injury) and now I have a great lack of flexibility in the left IC muscle, compared to the right IC, causing the bend and the twist.

And this is the current state. Healing and improving slowly over 7 weeks. I don’t know how long it will take to be fully healed. It’s difficult to do physical therapy on the Ischiochavernosus Muscle. Regarding that, I think I'll start to do very light manual stretches and light right bends (while it is erect), always trying not to trigger any pain (Very important!), for the next two weeks.
And, after two weeks, add some light flaccid Kegels. Perhaps in the proportion 5:95 Kegels/Reverse Kegels. And, one week later, try to add some Front Kegels and IC Kegels.

I will have the appointment with the Andrologist (Urologist specialized in male sexual health) within 3 days. Then I will write a new update.

Thank you very much for accompanying me on this journey

 

[HFrecovering]

Jeez, pal... You're a nervous wreck... It makes sense that all the physical therapy you've done over the years has no effect. Your Sympathetic Nervous System is always in machine-gun mode. You have to invest some time in your mental health too... I don't know what serious problems you may have in your life, and I'm not going to ask you on the Internet either... But let me try to explain something to you. Try to think a few minutes on this:

- What is the real benefit of stress? None.
- What advantage or improvement in life do we have in being anxious? None.
- All of our daily tasks, duties at our job, written and oral exams, job interviews, problems in our love relationship, problems with our children, dealing with complicated diseases… all of them are impaired and deteriorated by excessive stress. In none of them will anxiety improve the final result.
- What is the real function of stress? FIGHT or FLIGHT. So, do you have to fight crocodiles in your job?... Do you have to run away from lions during the day?... I bet you don't. Are you a marine fighting in Afghanistan? I hope you're not, that’s tough...
- In conclusion, stress and anxiety are completely useless.
- I can't remember a single moment in my life where anxiety or stress had helped. Well... maybe when I was 7, when I had to run away from that big dog on my uncle John's farm...

So, relax. Reduce cortisol, let testosterone flow and rest your mind

SplitsMaster (), please don't kill me for the question I'm going to ask you. But I, as a doctor, feel obliged to ask it.

Have you ever thought about talking to a psychiatrist?... Just... to talk. Just to have a friendly conversation. A relaxed, informal conversation, with no pressure or pre-defined goals. I think it would do you a lot of good.

And, possibly, later, if you think the conversation went well and it was nice, you and the doctor consider a psychotherapy program, with a cool psychologist that the doctor knows.

I will be honest with you. I am not a big lover of psychiatric pills… I think they should be used (and they have scientific evidence) in severe depression and acute states of great anxiety, and I have already recommended them a few times, in situations where I thought they could have some benefit. But, I recommended them always for the shortest period of time. Because I think that most people do not approach problems in the most effective and efficient way.

“…antidepressants improved symptoms in about an extra 20 out of 100 people.” - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK361016/

I not only think that the world population is currently taking too many psychiatric pills, but I also think that many of us have forgotten what are the two biggest weapons in combating anxiety and stress:
1 - Ourselves. Our inner strength. The power of our will. Our willingness to change for the better, regardless of how serious the problems that may be present in our lives are. The ability to ignore and not give a damn about what people, who don't like us, think about us. The ability to not give a fuck about their derogatory comments and opinions. The ability to deal with everyday life with Buddhist monk style. The desire to live to the fullest the only life we ​​have (I don’t believe in Heaven… I believe in the here and now). And the desire to be the best of ourselves, and to be happier than yesterday, every day.
2 - A good friend
(3 - Sleep 8 hours a day)

My friend, I know… Our mind can be a very complex and dark place... BUT, the more we become convinced of it and accept it naturally, the easier, simpler and less prejudiced it becomes to talk to someone, in times of weakness. Especially because in 99% of cases, it is not that we are weak... It is just that we are complex. It is not that we have to accept that we are inferior. It is that we accept that we are not omnipotent.

Our mind can be a very complex and dark place... but our willpower has the ability to make it a better and more beautiful place. Always.

Can I give you my advice? Call a good old friend to go jogging together outdoors. And in the end, go stretch together.

I mean this is no disrespectful way but if you had HF for 13 years you would also be in a pretty bad state mentally, I've lost the best years of my life and spent nearlly my entire 20s on a dick stretching forum trying to figure out what im supposed to do to get better even though I've never done PE and have no interest in PE.

I've spent tens of thousands seeing professionals that say they can help me but in reality they don't have a clue what they are doing and just want my money.

My point being that i think this would test anyone mentally.

I did seek psychotherapy and i got put on a 6 month waiting list (i live in the uk so we have socialist health care), in the end i just ended up paying for it privately which cost me a ton, didn't really get me anywhere.

Even though i may seem quite bad now in the way i describe my mental state, im way better now than when i first got hf and that probably has more to do with age and wisdom i suppose.

 

[TeoDeles]

Ok let me give you my 2 cents on the subject.

First of all PF tightness has levels.
Lets say 0= a shitty loose PF ( with all the side effects that are coming with it) and 10 is a shitty super tensed PF ( with all the side effects that comes with it... 1 of them is hard flaccid).
And 5 is in the middle ... meaning that is a perfect balanced PF and then the dick is working perfectly.

You can have a 7 PF state and NOT having hard flaccid or any side effects... and even have better libido and EQ with it.
The side effects are showing up after the 8 level... when you reach the 10 then you have the symptoms that the OP describes.

In my opinion when a PF is getting tensed 1 time then its more sensitive for this to happen again. Its like the blisters that vac users are having. When the 1st one is being created then this area of the glans is easiser to happen again.

The person that is having this issue HAVE TO create the balance again by:
1) Rks all day....
I mean it when I say all day!
Lay down on a bed or on a table with your legs wide open (baby pose) and do Rks by combining a deep breath and sending this air straight into the PF area and at the same time do a soft pee movement... You will feel the PF expanding like a flower that opens its petals... the more tension down there the more expansion you will be feeling.
Do this like 10 times a day! like every 1-2 hours do 20 very slow and isolated Rks.

2) Soft ball massage
2 times per day lay down and bring a full relax to your PF by being in the baby pose and find someone to rub softly the soft ball for like 5 mins down there and when its finished do your Rks.

3) Sleep a lot!
Sleeping brings your PF in a full prolonged relaxed state and it helps tremendous in your battle agains a tight PF.

4) Take long walks in nature and/or mediatate
Take walks in nature and empty your mind ( like being in a meditation state) and walk slowly with a steady pace and at the same time make sure that you are relaxing your PF by keeping a very mild pee motion and also assist it with your breath.
Normal meditation also helps a lot.

IF a person follows the above protocol he will bring its PF into balance in a matter of days...( Already done it 3-4 times)
BUT IF the problem is not solved then it clearly means that the MAIN problem is in his MIND.
An anxious-sad mind is holding an auto tension down there and even if you are folowing the protocol correctly it will still keep the tension in the area.

NOW this is the 50% of the battle...
You may won the battle BUT not the war!
If you want this to NEVER happen again.... you have to keep it that way by doing Rks like 3 times/day and maybe 3 days of the week use the soft ball.

In my case what was happening is this:
I am a life time Body builder...
The resistance training is also tighting the PF so lets say I always had a 7.
Then this 7 was becoming a 9 everytime my PE routine was involving UPWARD stretching... either with extender either with manual stretching.
In the UPWARD direction I have the biggest TUG.( its when you stretch in a direction and do a kegel and the dick pulls back).
This direction of stretching was the TRIGGER of making my PF from 7 to 9 EVERYTIME and all the fucked up side effects was happening.When i am stretching in this direction is like holding a SUPER INTENSITY PROLONGED KEGEL and this is why my PF is getting sooooo tensed.... the normal kegels while in erection never make my PF tensed.
a) Tremendous loss of size on girth and small glans(normaly I have a huge mushroom)
b) Low libido
c) Low EQ
d) Anxiety feeling without reason ( yes a tensed PF is also affecting teh mental state and the mental state also affects the PF... its like a chain)
e) Tension down there make it a little discomfort while sitting in hard surfaces.
f) Hard flaccid

I had already found out how to solve it ( with the protocol I described above) BUT the stupid thing was that when all sympoms was gone and my dick was 100% again... I was not maintaining this state by keeping the Rks in my daily routine.
Never again!
I have just recovered a hard flaccid as we speak(was testing the upward stretching again) in just 1 week of doing what I said...
From now on not only I will never test the upward stretching again but I am keeping the Rks forever in order for my PF to be always in balance.

 

[Romero MD]

I mean this is no disrespectful way but if you had HF for 13 years you would also be in a pretty bad state mentally, I've lost the best years of my life.

My point being that i think this would test anyone mentally.

Yes, you’re right... Yes, it would test everyone. It’s not easy. I am sure it would be a great mental challenge for any common mortal...

Okay, let's try to develop this
Thank you very much TeoDeles! Your post was an amazing introduction to what I am going to say next.

P.S.: Upward stretching puts your BC in the most stretched position possible. If you have an old strain, it’s easy to strain the muscle again, if it’s not fully healed…

HFrecovering (my friend, I am still waiting for the new name... :biggrin1, although you are telling me that you are mentally better now, you are also telling me that you spent much of the first years, after injury, very stressed. I think that, regardless of the injury that you may have had, most likely this continued and chronic state of stress (all this continuous nervous discharge from the Sympathetic Nervous System), during the first years of HardFlaccid, created a state of chronic tension in your pelvic floor. You lost a lot of flexibility.

And now, your task to relax it is more tough than ours... BUT IT’S NOT IMPOSSIBLE! (Only if you really hit it with the hammer, like CUSP82 says... ) It doesn't make sense to be impossible! My entire study of these 2 months makes me believe that we all had some type of mechanical muscle injury. Acute or chronic.

TeoDeles told you to do Reverse Kegels all day. But after all, they only do it 10 times a day...
I tell you to do them... ALL DAY. I'm doing 10-seconds holds every 5 minutes! ALL DAY! Standing, sitting, lying down, eating, bathing, working, stretching... ALL DAY!

This disease, in essence, is a muscle injury. Yes, it is highly influenced by our mental state, but I believe that the cure for all chronic cases involves aggressively forcing the pelvic floor to relax. It is simply mechanical. When the nerves, arteries and smooth muscle of the penis are no longer collapsed, the relief of symptoms will occur. And I am sure it’s not impossible for you to relax your pelvic floor.

Muscles are highly adaptable structures. TeoDeles is a bodybuilder. I am a bodybuilder. I was a half-marathoner, I was a swimmer, and I was a gymnast for many years. Anyone can gain muscle mass or endurance quite quickly with a good workout. Just like anyone can gain good flexibility with a good workout. Gaining flexibility is even easier than gaining muscle mass. I've seen splits tutorials that said “6 weeks to splits”! (Please don't try it... )

Do you understand? The muscles in your pelvic floor are also highly adaptable. I just think you have to double or triple your work (compared to TeoDeles and me), due to all the years you've been under stress, contracting and clenching. Losing flexibility. That's why I want you to train to do the splits. And do REVERSE KEGELS, ALL DAY. I am sure that the nerves, arteries and muscles will relax, and get back to working normally. It's mechanical.

Furthermore, I am recovering moderately fast, because, as TeoDeles also said, I also think that 50% of the battle is mental. I am absolutely mentally relaxed. There is no sympathetic nervous stimulus going through my body to the pelvic floor. I am absolutely stress free. Totally at peace. And, consequently, all the Reverse Kegels I do become much more efficient.

In conclusion:
- Reverse Kegels all day
- Train to do the splits. 9 months. You can do it. They will destroy all muscle tension, everywhere. And they will reset your brain.

I do not believe that you have an alien pelvic floor, that is not able to gain flexibility and relax all structures. Therefore, it is not impossible. Go stretch!

 

[HFrecovering]

Yes, you’re right... Yes, it would test everyone. It’s not easy. I am sure it would be a great mental challenge for any common mortal...

Okay, let's try to develop this
Thank you very much TeoDeles! Your post was an amazing introduction to what I am going to say next.

P.S.: Upward stretching puts your BC in the most stretched position possible. If you have an old strain, it’s easy to strain the muscle again, if it’s not fully healed…

HFrecovering (my friend, I am still waiting for the new name... :biggrin1, although you are telling me that you are mentally better now, you are also telling me that you spent much of the first years, after injury, very stressed. I think that, regardless of the injury that you may have had, most likely this continued and chronic state of stress (all this continuous nervous discharge from the Sympathetic Nervous System), during the first years of HardFlaccid, created a state of chronic tension in your pelvic floor. You lost a lot of flexibility.

And now, your task to relax it is more tough than ours... BUT IT’S NOT IMPOSSIBLE! (Only if you really hit it with the hammer, like CUSP82 says... ) It doesn't make sense to be impossible! My entire study of these 2 months makes me believe that we all had some type of mechanical muscle injury. Acute or chronic.

TeoDeles told you to do Reverse Kegels all day. But after all, they only do it 10 times a day...
I tell you to do them... ALL DAY. I'm doing 10-seconds holds every 5 minutes! ALL DAY! Standing, sitting, lying down, eating, bathing, working, stretching... ALL DAY!

This disease, in essence, is a muscle injury. Yes, it is highly influenced by our mental state, but I believe that the cure for all chronic cases involves aggressively forcing the pelvic floor to relax. It is simply mechanical. When the nerves, arteries and smooth muscle of the penis are no longer collapsed, the relief of symptoms will occur. And I am sure it’s not impossible for you to relax your pelvic floor.

Muscles are highly adaptable structures. TeoDeles is a bodybuilder. I am a bodybuilder. I was a half-marathoner, I was a swimmer, and I was a gymnast for many years. Anyone can gain muscle mass or endurance quite quickly with a good workout. Just like anyone can gain good flexibility with a good workout. Gaining flexibility is even easier than gaining muscle mass. I've seen splits tutorials that said “6 weeks to splits”! (Please don't try it... )

Do you understand? The muscles in your pelvic floor are also highly adaptable. I just think you have to double or triple your work (compared to TeoDeles and me), due to all the years you've been under stress, contracting and clenching. Losing flexibility. That's why I want you to train to do the splits. And do REVERSE KEGELS, ALL DAY. I am sure that the nerves, arteries and muscles will relax, and get back to working normally. It's mechanical.

Furthermore, I am recovering moderately fast, because, as TeoDeles also said, I also think that 50% of the battle is mental. I am absolutely mentally relaxed. There is no sympathetic nervous stimulus going through my body to the pelvic floor. I am absolutely stress free. Totally at peace. And, consequently, all the Reverse Kegels I do become much more efficient.

In conclusion:
- Reverse Kegels all day
- Train to do the splits. 9 months. You can do it. They will destroy all muscle tension, everywhere. And they will reset your brain.

I do not believe that you have an alien pelvic floor, that is not able to gain flexibility and relax all structures. Therefore, it is not impossible. Go stretch!

I dont even regard it as an injury to be honest, i think its just plain old muscle tension being fed by the sympathetic nervous system. It might of been a slight injury at first for some people but its the stress that keeps the pelvic floor tight (in my opinion)

Im definitley a highly stressed anxious person, i was just pointing out that im nowhere near as bad as i was years ago.

I honestly don't know what i can do in terms of calming the sympathetic nervous system down, i believe it can take a long time to down regulate the stress response. Some people with HF clearly have PTSD from the whole ordeal.

As bizzare as this sounds, I've had hf so long that i can actually feel the part of my brain that's keeping my pelvic floor tight, its coming from my prefrontal cortex.

 

[Romero MD]

Pegasus, are you there?... I found the problem. Bring the chainsaw... We have a prefrontal cortex to remove :biggrin1:

I honestly don't know what i can do in terms of calming the sympathetic nervous system down.

Little by little Every day. It's a daily task and a daily self-learning. You have to convince your brain that stress is completely useless. Furthermore, it is highly detrimental to your recovery.

Just try

 

[Party]

Hey Doc, off topic but I was wondering what the current view of the medical community Is on penis enlargement. Generally, in the past it was thought to be impossible, now? Last time I saw my family doctor I mentioned I was size challenged and he offered nothing in advice. Quote, “There’s nothing that can be done about that.” Interestingly I had already gained an inch or so. He is also my wife’s gynecologist who informed her that she was blessed, my word, not his, with a tilted cervix. I believe it is the reason for her orgasmic abilities.

 

[Dangler]

I could imagine the use of a TENS unit to mask over/out excitation from the brain. Placement of its electrodes would be a challenge, not to mention the settings of a TENS. Just thinking aloud.

 

[Romero MD]

Hey Doc, off topic but I was wondering what the current view of the medical community Is on penis enlargement. Generally, in the past it was thought to be impossible, now? Last time I saw my family doctor I mentioned I was size challenged and he offered nothing in advice. Quote, “There’s nothing that can be done about that.” Interestingly I had already gained an inch or so. He is also my wife’s gynecologist who informed her that she was blessed, my word, not his, with a tilted cervix. I believe it is the reason for her orgasmic abilities.

Hahahaha Hey Mr. Party! :biggrin1:

I think it is still a mythical science, unknown and doubtful, by the vast majority of doctors... And the few who know it usually do not support it very much, to prevent us from having injuries...
However, regarding to urologists, I think it is currently more widespread knowledge. Mainly for the implementation of traction in the treatment of Peyronie's disease.

Whaaat?... That is brilliantly interesting! So, does that mean your wife has a more prominent Deep Spot(P-Spot)?... I had never thought about that!... *mind blown* And it makes a lot of sense. Well, I've learned something today...
Believe it or not, I had never put a vaginal speculum in my girlfriend... I think I have to put one someday, to prove this fantastic theory. :biggrin1:

We will celebrate 6 years of dating in 3 days. And I can't use my partner... I think I have to try to break the fingering record, then... :rockon: I've been trying to give her 20 anal orgasms for a few months now ... It will be this time! :eyebrows:

 

[Romero MD]

I could imagine the use of a TENS unit to mask over/out excitation from the brain. Placement of its electrodes would be a challenge, not to mention the settings of a TENS. Just thinking aloud.

:yikes::yikes::yikes:

SplitsMaster, are you ready? :biggrin1: Time to kick some stress!

 

[HFrecovering]

Pegasus, are you there?... I found the problem. Bring the chainsaw... We have a prefrontal cortex to remove :biggrin1:



Little by little Every day. It's a daily task and a daily self-learning. You have to convince your brain that stress is completely useless. Furthermore, it is highly detrimental to your recovery.

Just try

Its difficult to explain dude, when im not stressed i am still stressed if that makes sense....

Its like i can be completely fine and busy but im still pumping stress hormones and in a low level fight or flight.

 

[Party]

Hahahaha Hey Mr. Party! :biggrin1:

I think it is still a mythical science, unknown and doubtful, by the vast majority of doctors... And the few who know it usually do not support it very much, to prevent us from having injuries...
However, regarding to urologists, I think it is currently more widespread knowledge. Mainly for the implementation of traction in the treatment of Peyronie's disease.

Whaaat?... That is brilliantly interesting! So, does that mean your wife has a more prominent Deep Spot(P-Spot)?... I had never thought about that!... *mind blown* And it makes a lot of sense. Well, I've learned something today...
Believe it or not, I had never put a vaginal speculum in my girlfriend... I think I have to put one someday, to prove this fantastic theory. :biggrin1:

We will celebrate 6 years of dating in 3 days. And I can't use my partner... I think I have to try to break the fingering record, then... :rockon: I've been trying to give her 20 anal orgasms for a few months now ... It will be this time! :eyebrows:

Her tilt in missionary is closer at the bottom than at the top. So in this position I stroke her cervix bottom to top. Sometimes her orgasms from this are so intense that she can expel my penis. I believe it is a cervical defense mechanism, but very pleasurable for her, oh the faces she makes. I have learned to expect this and fight to stay in and keep stoking. This is when she goes thru the roof and has her most intense multi orgasms. So fun to watch I can last forever because I’m more interested in her abilities than my orgasm. Strange as that may sound.

 

[Romero MD]

Her tilt in missionary is closer at the bottom than at the top. So in this position I stroke her cervix bottom to top. Sometimes her orgasms from this are so intense that she can expel my penis. I believe it is a cervical defense mechanism, but very pleasurable for her, oh the faces she makes. I have learned to expect this and fight to stay in and keep stoking. This is when she goes thru the roof and has her most intense multi orgasms. So fun to watch I can last forever because I’m more interested in her abilities than my orgasm. Strange as that may sound.

Interesting... Although my girlfriend is also very fond of doggystyle and cowgirl, our record of 21 vaginal orgasms in 70 minutes was also in the missionary position. Women like love, trust and look eye to eye

It's not strange. I'm the same...

 

[Romero MD]

Its difficult to explain dude, when im not stressed i am still stressed if that makes sense....

Its like i can be completely fine and busy but im still pumping stress hormones and in a low level fight or flight.

Well...
Let's try a SSRI… At low dose, for 6 months. No longer. And to ask for it, go to a psychiatrist. No general practitioner. No self-medication!

While you train to do the splits.
While you do jogging with some friends.
Let's try that

 

[CUSP82]

Excuse me for interrupting but is it ethical to recommend a person to use a drug requiring a prescription which I am sure can be gotten off some website without a detailed exam and a full medical history?