What we know so far about PE, its causes and its treatment

spanky

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I would just like all you guys to know that one 5-HTP pill from the health food shop just had pretty much the same effect on me as MDMA above, but without the high obviously.

This is a pretty big advert for serotonin being crucial to the process, certainly in my case, and with my past of recreational drug use, that could well have been the cause if my problems in the first place. The more I think about this, the more likely it seems, as my sexual response was fine when I was younger, then gradually declined over years, years where I indulged in certain recreational drugs.

Yes, exercises help, and yes, the self awareness helps immensely. It all adds up to making you a better, more self aware lover, but this year has been an uphill struggle for me, and this is breakthrough stuff, of the "oh THAT's what I needed to do" variety.

I can't speak for anyone else with authority, especially IF my PE was caused by my childhood habits, but it's such a dramatic effect, and dramatically what SHOULD be happening as far as I can tell, so any of you guys reading with this problem now, get down the health food store, get yourself some 5-HTP or other Tryptophan derivative I guess, and give this a try. I can't promise a miracle cure, and in my experience so far it takes a half day to have the desired effect, but if your PE is caused by the same reasons as mine, it just might be.

Let me know if it works for you.
 
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What dosage are you using? Are you taking everyday? If so how many times a day? There is a debate as to whether or not ingesting tryptophan can actually raise serotonin levels in the brain because it can't cross the blood-brain barrier, or something equally out of my intellectual league.
 

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Well ultimately, blood-brain barrier or not, which I would question considering the range of things you CAN ingest that patently make it into the brain, it's an essential amino acid so you can only obtain it from diet anyway. It's also a precursor to serotonin so I'd expect it to have an active effect. That said, even if the effect I've seen so far was placebo, then I'm not fussy. Early days anyway, all I can do is try it and see what happens. 100mg for now daily, gonna work up to 200 in a week or two and see how things go.
 

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Question on balooning, am i supposed to baloon until i finish (after edging a few times)? Or not finish at all?
 

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wow! That was a very long post spanky. Basically Kegels...Kegels...Kegels. Right? That's what your trying to say. I use have a severe case of "Stick it in and pump and few times and BLOW!" Then i started doing kegels alot...ALOT. Guess what guys. I can control my orgasm and nut when I'm ready..

No more excuses like:






My dick is just really senitive....

Or its because your so hot...

what a loser the damn bitch already knows that. She wants to get fucked!

Oh well... Kegels worked for me.


I am just new here bro. I'm glad to hear stories like this. It gives me hope to deal with my PE dilemma. I will try to read more about kegel. thanks
 

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Spanky how has your trial with 5-HTP been going?
 

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i have a weak pelvic floor is that why i cum really fast when i hump something and my cum dribbles out, or is it because of a venous leak cause i have trouble getting an erection standing too
 

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Stop wasting your time and see another doctor and tell them all your issues. Don't say 'I think I have a venous leak!' Because I don't think you even know what the symptoms are of a venous leak.
 

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Spanky how has your trial with 5-HTP been going?

Hey.. sorry for taking so long to respond, I needed to take a break from here as I've got a lot going on in my life right now.

It's a difficult question to answer from a scientific point of view as I haven't exactly been free of other influences. I think it's having a good effect though, if not as profound as other thngs previously described.

I have been having quite a lot of sex recently for one reason or another, and I've found that with mdma I can go for over an hour, no problem. It's got to the point now that half the time I can't even cum. This can be somewhat frustrating, though I have been able to get there eventually (and what an orgasm.. whoo!) But this one time I couldn't cum at all and that was frustrating cos my god I wanted to, and she's driving into me, going "cum in me ! .. cum in me !" ... but still couldn't do it. Ugh. Maybe this is what sex is like for women.. man, I feel for them.

The rest of the time, and I have been daily with the 5-HTP (and gingko biloba too, but thst's because I have circulation problems I'm trying to help out), I have generally had better stamina and can easily go ten minutes typically. And the last girl I was with was *tight as hell* too, which still wasn't an issue. Now ten minutes is not a marathon I know, but hell that's not bad, and a lot better than the ten seconds I was looking at when I first came here.. To be fair, that's also helped by the self awareness I've learnt from here, and from paying a lot of attention to myself. And honestly, as has been mentioned a few times, some of that may well be down to simply having more sex. I am fairly confident that if I were to stay hard with constant gentle stimulation for 20 minutes I'd basically be good to go for as long as I liked.

There's more going on here too. I'm significantly more sexually confident these days than I was a year and a half ago. That really helps, I'm sure.

Now here's something else I've noticed that may be interesting. In the past, I would find that as soon as I entered a woman, or even started masturbating I would get the tell-tale sensations of being close to PONR, tension in my pelvic floor and a strong tingling and a sensation of pressure building up at the back of my glans (my experience anyway). As soon as I felt that, I knew I would cum very soon, and that would affect me psychologically too no doubt. Now, I still get this, but it's not as strong, and subsides within maybe 30 seconds. I'm obviously aware of tension in my pelvic floor and I fight the onset of involuntaries too. Psychologically I'm happy to cum if it comes on this quickly, and honestly, if I'm masturbating, half the time I just want to cum - in the way that we all discuss as being a problem from our habits when we're younger rather than enjoying the whole journey.. But my physical response doesn't take over any more. It setles down, and then builds up again at what feels like a normal pace. Maybe the initial early "Oh I'm close to PONR" sensation will continue to die down? I don't know.. but it's manageable, and that's good enough for me.

Weird metaphor maybe, but it's a bit like going out to buy something, say a pair of jeans, and seeing some in the first shop you come to that you like, but rather than going "oh that'll do, I'll have those" now I resist the quick fix and look around first before jumping to a decision. That's the psychology I find anyway.

As I say, Is this 5-HTP? Or more frequent sex? Or peace of mind? Or tail effects of illicit mdma use? Or some combination of all four? I really don't know. But things are working well right now on my current path, two threesomes later, and a number of women who want to see me again, so I'll stick to what I'm doing thanks.
 

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It's def that u are having frequent sex and your body is getting used to lasting longer from the mdma. Ofcourse, we will all prob tell u to try to go natural without drugs but.... oh well.
Ready entire new post and the responses on my "incredible discovery" latest post and tell me if maybe u r a candidate or if u wanna give it a shot.
 

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It's def that u are having frequent sex and your body is getting used to lasting longer from the mdma. Ofcourse, we will all prob tell u to try to go natural without drugs but.... oh well.
Ready entire new post and the responses on my "incredible discovery" latest post and tell me if maybe u r a candidate or if u wanna give it a shot.

*read my entire new post(typo)
 

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When i do reverse kegel and i have a lot of pelvic movement. It's like im doing a sit up.I this normal at the at the beginning? i just wondering if im doing it right.
 

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You should try and improve isolation n.
 

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Sorry to get back on the chemical topic, just an update on 5HTP.

I've not got much to report from 5htp itself over time sadly. Now admittedly I haven't given it the cleanest, most scientific trial, but after finishing the 5htp bottle, I went back to the health food store and bought some St. John's wort too. So I've started combining both this week, and I'll try St. John's Wort on its own soon to get some sort of differential measure.

The results of the two together are so far interesting. I'll report properly in time when I have more to say.

Note that I recognise that this may have different effects for different people, but I can certainly say it's not benign so far, or placebo. The two together (as I say, possibuly St. John's on it's own - time will tell) are giving me mild physical and psychological effects reminiscent of the illegal alternative I mentioned earier, and 5htp alone didn't do that, even though I really thought it would - hence, not placebo.

I'm optimistic right now.

Just as an aside, this direction is NOT a replacement for self-awareness and physical ability, it's a potential complement should you be interested. Ultimately, whatever your opinion of this approach, it's all just information. Do with it what you like.

Much love x
 

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Great Post spanky. I agree with Dr Helen Kaplan.
According to Dr Helen Kaplan (the expert sex therapist) the key to learning how to stop premature ejaculation is learning penile sensory awareness.
There are many treatments available and suggested fo premature ejaculation. The best one in my opinion is based on the the Kaplan Stop Start Technique. learning control by learning sensory awareness really works, but it takes practice.
The articles on the site below are written by an expert in sex therapy.
Stop Premature Ejaculation
Please visit the site you will not regret it. Lots of good information about premature ejaculation.
Sam







 

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Great Post spanky. I agree with Dr Helen Kaplan.
According to Dr Helen Kaplan (the expert sex therapist) the key to learning how to stop premature ejaculation is learning penile sensory awareness.
There are many treatments available and suggested fo premature ejaculation. The best one in my opinion is based on the the Kaplan Stop Start Technique. learning control by learning sensory awareness really works, but it takes practice. Etc etc
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Spanky, I must admit your attitude has changed a lot since I was last on these forums, it's brought you closer to my original questions and theories that you disagreed with way back. You were against anything that involved drugs/chemicals but this is good that you are considering everything now. I am very interested in hearing about the effects of the 5htp drugs you are taking. Keep up the good work man.