Venous Leak Symptoms And Cures

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It can be easy to attempt to research the cause of these types of things and misdiagnose yourself. This can be seen in many of the posts here where men have believed themselves to be suffering from venous leak- only to find that the cause wasn't organic. This is compounded by the fact that there's a lot of erroneous information surrounding the nature and treatment of VL.

As difficult as it may be, it might help if you stopped trying to diagnose yourself and either sought a Doppler (or better yet- a cavernosogram) and/or looked solely into what you can do to improve your EQ. This will require that you also focus on strengthening yourself against anxiety.
 

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Well I was diagnosed with a venous leak (by ultrasound) in one of my veins, the numbers were 11/3 and 30/10. 11/3 is not a good number to have, he said its common in 65-year old heart patients

That day (two days ago) I was also diagnosed with low testosterone (only got a 7 on the free T scale, being 30-years old, this is not normal.)

I suffered from ED since I was 16 years old, never got better or worse.

Erectile function seems to always work fine with the typical ED drugs. The injection from the ultrasound gave me a hard on for nearly 2-hours to a point of pain.

Told my mechanism is still fine, showing the ability (tool wise) to still get erections.

Something causing my blood flow to have problems down there, the words he used.. venous leak.

He gave me a drug like clomiphene citrate rather tesosterone, ordered about 10 new tests which I did today. I will find out more details and reveal it with all of you in a few months, I am forever baffled as to how I lost my sexual function overnight as a young teenager.

I also experienced psych trauma at the time it started, but never had morning erections..

Something is not right, so far, I've finally got two diagonisis... so hoping something good will happen now that we are onto the problem.
 

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If you can get an erection with Viagra then the issue is likely not related to venous leak. That doesn't necessarily disqualify it from having an organic component, though.

Hi Al,

Can I ask where you decided your statement was true? Personal opinion or professional?

I really hope to agree with you, as I am one who has responded favorably to all forms of ED drugs yet as of two days ago, I have also been diagnosed with a venous leak on the outflow as per a sex pro Urologist.

Can you explain more your opinion? From what I understand, a venous leak is actually not a leaking vein, but a condition in which more blood leaves then enters. According to reputable health sources, a venous leak can even be caused by anxiety- so something that can be overcome?

Others say (though it seems very debatable) that a venous leak can't be cured except by venous litigation survey, depending on the nature of the leak and the condition of the patient.

So very conflicting in my opinion.
 

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Hi Al,

Can I ask where you decided your statement was true? Personal opinion or professional?

I really hope to agree with you, as I am one who has responded favorably to all forms of ED drugs yet as of two days ago, I have also been diagnosed with a venous leak on the outflow as per a sex pro Urologist.

Can you explain more your opinion? From what I understand, a venous leak is actually not a leaking vein, but a condition in which more blood leaves then enters. According to reputable health sources, a venous leak can even be caused by anxiety- so something that can be overcome?

Others say (though it seems very debatable) that a venous leak can't be cured except by venous litigation survey, depending on the nature of the leak and the condition of the patient.

So very conflicting in my opinion.

My statement isn't absolute- nor should it be construed as medical advice.

In the case of venous leak causing problems the issue isn't related to the nitric oxide cycle but due to a defect in one or more of the valves required to maintain hemostatic pressure within the penis.

That why it's a good bet if one's ED is "resolved" by Viagra then the issue isn't due to serious venous leak.

For the above, I'm using the standard definition of venous leak. The term "venous leak" is itself considered a nebulous term even amongst academics and professionals.

That being said, the injectable known as "Trimix" (with Viagra) has been shown to be effective for men diagnosed with venous leak- even when Viagra alone and the like have failed in the past.

Also read https://www.pegym.com/forums/penile...0071-ideas-combat-venous-leaks.html#post86316

I can't see how anxiety can cause a venous leak(?)
 

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Anxiety can cause the valves to not work and keep the homeostatic pressures from working. If the blood leaks without holding a proper erection can be seen as a veinous leak.
 

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In the case of venous leak causing problems the issue isn't related to the nitric oxide cycle but due to a defect in one or more of the valves required to maintain hemostatic pressure within the penis.

About the nitric oxide, I took Citrulline Malate recently and found it made some form of improvement as it is a vasodilataor, but it never restored me completely and only works sometimes. It was better then any other herbal supplement I tried, but again, it wouldn't work itself for sex.

That why it's a good bet if one's ED is "resolved" by Viagra then the issue isn't due to serious venous leak.

Well Big Al, I would love to hear your suggestions on what you feel could cause ED in a 16-year old until 31 without any form of improvement? I first took ED drugs at the age of 23, bought them in Mexico without prescription. Levitra was the first one, that stuff at 20mg rendered me a porn star. I am not exaggerating. I found Levitra the far most powerful ED drug, though I havent used it for sometime. I have a few boxes of Staxyn I wanted to try, which is synthetic version of Levitra and much cheaper. Viagra 100 works but was a little less effective then Levitra 20mg. I also have Cialis once a day given to me by the doctor. Before I was getting success at 2.5mg daily, so next week or so I may start using it again.

16-years old, what else could the cause be (I also have low T) but from what I've read, its controversial to always link low T to erectile dysfunction.

For the above, I'm using the standard definition of venous leak. The term "venous leak" is itself considered a nebulous term even amongst academics and professionals.

That being said, the injectable known as "Trimix" (with Viagra) has been shown to be effective for men diagnosed with venous leak- even when Viagra alone and the like have failed in the past.

Oddly that injection didn't cause me to get much of an erection at all while in the doctors office, it was semi limp, but as soon as I left.. rock hard for two hours, even after stimulation it lasted 30 minutes.

Could it have been anxiety?


I've never heard of Butcher's Broom, thanks. I will try it. Swanson's has a 2-1 deal going on.

Nothing to lose.

I can't see how anxiety can cause a venous leak(?)

According to the NIH it can.

My question is could long term depression or anxiety do any permanent damage over years.

Some say an emotional broken heart can cause heart attacks.
 

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Anxiety can have a HUGE effect on performance- especially on young men who have come to view sex as something performance based instead of an opportunity for becoming close to someone. You seem to be alluding to the time spent having ED as something unexplainable.

There's nothing to prohibit anxiety ED from compounding itself over time- especially if successive attempts at sexual contact or even "test based" masturbation yields increasingly frustrating results. Unless an effort is made to extricate one's self from the problem, why would you assume that something as traumatic as ED would resolve itself- especially when the root cause has yet to be addressed.

It's arguable, but it's been my finding that most men who complain about ED are hampered to some degree by anxiety. Even in cases where the initial incident was caused by something physical, anxiety can easily take over and allow the ED to continue long after any injuries are healed.

In long term cases, conquering the anxiety isn't enough. One has to be reconditioned to see the sexual response as something positive and not something to get alarmed or disinterested about- which can happen if the anxiety becomes chronic.

According to the NIH it can.

My question is could long term depression or anxiety do any permanent damage over years.

Some say an emotional broken heart can cause heart attacks.

I've never heard of anxiety causing venous leaks. There are many cases of men who've suffered from anxiety who have "epiphanies"- usually in the form of a positive sexual experience, who see their anxiety based ED issues resolve from one moment to the next. Now, I can see how long tern anxiety might contribute to valve weaknesses due to disuse.
 
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Anxiety can cause the valves to not work and keep the homeostatic pressures from working. If the blood leaks without holding a proper erection can be seen as a veinous leak.

The question is, would the penis be fully functional at that moment if anxiety weren't a part of the equation. If so, then that would indicate that venous leak isn't the cause.
 

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Anxiety can have a HUGE effect on performance- especially on young men who have come to view sex as something performance based instead of an opportunity for becoming close to someone. You seem to be alluding to the time spent having ED as something unexplainable.

Well, it started when I was 15 or 16, say 16 as I can remember at 15 having erections. At 14, I had my first sexual experience which was successful. By 16, it dawned on me as weird that I had no more sexual feelings to a very pretty girl that was close to me. At 17, I had my 2nd encounter with a high school girlfriend several times, though my penis never became fully hard or erect. Since then, I avoided a lot of relationships but did start using ED drugs which I use to buy in Mexico prior to having a prescription.

I did witness abuse as a child, though why the lack of morning wood? I was raised to see sex as dirty, my mother use to degrade my father as a pervert. At 14-15 I had crippling anxiety levels which would probably raise my blood pressure to over 200. This was when my problem started if I can remember that far back.

Now, 15-years later, I'm 30. Finally got in to see a trained sex urologist. He tells me I have low testosterone and a venous leak, though he feels based on what I just wrote about the abuse and anxiety, the sexual problem could be from low T- though we don't know yet and I don't see him against until Sept 2 (he took about 15 other tests by blood and a urinalysis that we will see the results of then.)

It is unexplainable to me, such a rare of rare conditions? As I told the urologist, I see this as something that should be considered as happening to a 15-year old, not 30 year old, who otherwise has had a very healthy life and lived a relatively healthy and active lifestyle.

The only conditions that I can find that could cause this are: Hypoganadasm, Pituatory Gland problems, cardiac problems and diabetes. I don't think I have cardiac problems, I can run a marathon and the only problem might be my knee after ten miles that starts getting sore.

There's nothing to prohibit anxiety ED from compounding itself over time- especially if successive attempts at sexual contact or even "test based" masturbation yields increasingly frustrating results. Unless an effort is made to extricate one's self from the problem, why would you assume that something as traumatic as ED would resolve itself- especially when the root cause has yet to be addressed.

I don't have that anxiety anymore, I haven't had it for many years, but when I had it.. it was bad, I use to go to the hospital and they'd give me a benzodiazipene. Do you really think there is any example of this causing long term damage? I try to think back to even my soccer playing days, would being kicked in the balls do this? Even cycling, I use to do so much as a teenager, but it seems this problem can only be temporary.

It's arguable, but it's been my finding that most men who complain about ED are hampered to some degree by anxiety. Even in cases where the initial incident was caused by something physical, anxiety can easily take over and allow the ED to continue long after any injuries are healed.

In long term cases, conquering the anxiety isn't enough. One has to be reconditioned to see the sexual response as something positive and not something to get alarmed or disinterested about- which can happen if the anxiety becomes chronic.

I think you are right here, I try to do this. Its been so long that even if my problem were ever fixed, I would doubt its success and probably still feel obligated to turn to ed drugs or have a fear of failure while having sex.


I've never heard of anxiety causing venous leaks. There are many cases of men who've suffered from anxiety who have "epiphanies"- usually in the form of a positive sexual experience, who see their anxiety based ED issues resolve from one moment to the next. Now, I can see how long tern anxiety might contribute to valve weaknesses due to disuse.

I was told anxiety can even cause canker sores in the mouth.

Long term anxiety is something I think should be considered in my case, the repercussions of it even if they are gone now, it was something that I suffered from for years as a teenager.
 

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Hi all, sorry for the mumble that will follow, but I guess this thread offers the opportunity for that.

I suffer from VL as well, described in a thread in this section. Couple of days ago I had my second doppler (after an ineffective shockwave therapy), and the results were pretty similar to the first doppler.

I also suffer from long term anxiety due to my work but mostly my character, however I found it odd that both times I got the doppler, the injection caused nothing but slight pain and discomfort. Cialis 5mg daily works fine for the moment, but as I understand the injections should work even better? If so, why didn't they work for me at all when I was in the doctor's office?

Indeed it feels almost futile trying to find a possible cure for something we don't know the cause of. And I have all sorts of thoughts as to what could be the cause.

Is it anxiety? In my situation I get heart pains from time to time, got myself checked and ECG came normal (with some arrhythmia), chest x-ray fine as well. Doctor told me I need to stop worrying so much, and that pain is likely caused by stress. I can also exercise vigorously for a long time, and that does not cause the pain. It just hits at random times. Has long term anxiety somehow weaken (and therefore damaged) the valves responsive for my erections? And IF that is the case, is it reversible, treatable or what...

Could it be the way my penis has developed? It has a slight curvature to the left, and moving the shaft to my left thigh is much easier than to my right (the way to moves from the base). I read that slight curvature is normal, but I can't help but thinking that if my left (let's say) valve is weak, perhaps that's what I should focus on. Thinking I should even try vacuum device exercises, I mean what do I have to lose. My doctor quickly dismissed those devices, of course. He thinks they wouldn't help any more than ED drugs would.
 

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The good news is that 99% or more, probably much closer to 100% of guys who think they have veinous leak dont have it.
The bad news is they will prolong and exacerbate their symptoms until they believe and understand that.
Veinous leak specific to the penile tissues caused by trauma is massively negligible and even as a concept or theory holds very little logic.
VEINOUS LEAK IS CAUSED BY DISEASE OR DEFICIENCY (DIABETES ETC) not trauma.
Veins repair themselves.
 

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The good news is that 99% or more, probably much closer to 100% of guys who think they have veinous leak dont have it.

That is not particularly good way to make anyone feel better about it. You are basically saying that almost nobody has it, that you are super unlucky guy if you really do belong to that 1% and have it.

There are other stuff such as nerve damage that causes similar symptoms to VL that can be caused by trauma.
 

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That is not particularly good way to make anyone feel better about it. You are basically saying that almost nobody has it, that you are super unlucky guy if you really do belong to that 1% and have it.

There are other stuff such as nerve damage that causes similar symptoms to VL that can be caused by trauma.

The point that making someone FEEL BETTER about something by massaging what is often a kind if penile neoroses does not make them better.
How can you take a positive comment so negatively. Would it be better if I said yes, regardless of your professional doctors opinion and test results it does sound like you guys whothink you have VL do have it?
Im speaking from experience here. I have been there thinking 100% this is VL, this is nerve damage. The next week its a bit of both.
 

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Would it be better if I said yes, regardless of your professional doctors opinion and test results it does sound like you guys whothink you have VL do have it?
Im speaking from experience here.

The last two guys prior to your reply have said it was their doc who has diagnosed their VL so that makes no sense.

If you have the symptoms of VL that have lasted for years then it's very possible you have VL or something similar to VL. It doesn't help to hear how rare it may be.
 

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The last two guys prior to your reply have said it was their doc who has diagnosed their VL so that makes no sense.


If you have the symptoms of VL that have lasted for years then it's very possible you have VL or something similar to VL. It doesn't help to hear how rare it may be.

Lasted years. Yes. Exactly. Makes no difference.
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Has anyone with venous leak tried physical therapy?
 

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Has anyone on this thread actually been diagnosed with VL?
Thats the more pertinent question.
 

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What I meant to say was, how many people have been Diagnosed as VL with a urologist or a doctor?
I would be particularly interested if anyone whos cause was trauma or injury actually has it.
 

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m3232 as stated earlier, yes, we have been diagnosed with VL by a urologist. Read our corresponding threads for more info. Was it trauma or injury for me? Not that I recall. Is it diabetes or some other difficiency? Not really, blood tests were great. So what it is? I don't know. I wish I did, we all wish we did. Speculating and throwing around random numbers and "facts" will not help.

MikeCares, I did some searching but I cannot get enough information as to what physical therapy on the penis is. Do you have a link/website that describes the procedure?
 

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Well, it started when I was 15 or 16, say 16 as I can remember at 15 having erections...

Low T can have a devastating effect on erections. If one has chronic low T, it might be difficult to make improvements even with an excellent routine. This would be the case whether or not the low T is caused by a physical injury or some other mechanism. Low T can also contribute to anxiety.

Your particular situation is one where you're going to need to resolved deep seated conditioning issues related to your views on sex and performance. If the problem is a longstanding one- like yours- it's not enough to merely resolve anxieties- you very well may need to "re-learn" arousal clues.