Understanding Pumping

[namsokiek]

Analysis: The silicone sleeve really prohibits edema well. Locations on the shaft not compressed by the sleeve are susceptible to edema. Edema is slowed, therefore reduced, at locations beyond the sleeve.

The glans are not susceptible to edema at the pressures used in the manner tested here. However, swelling can occur at the meatus (urethra opening) under greater time or greater pressure.

The CC expand when wearing the sleeve while under vacuum. The sleeve carries some of the load (reduces some of the vacuum felt by the shaft). My MEG after the 3rd session was 3/8 greater than normal.

Having experienced the benefits of wearing and experimented without wearing, the only time I imagine pumping without the sleeve is when I am able to pack the tube while wearing the sleeve but too cheap to upgrade.

I'll be making a thinner sleeve to see how well that works.

 

[Wolfemother]

Hi Guys,
Anyone got any good air pumping tips and routines?

 

[namsokiek]

Hi Guys,
Anyone got any good air pumping tips and routines?

If you have an extra sleeve, give it a go.

Keep your sets short and your pressure low. See the threads in Pumping - PEGym Forums and

I've transitioned to long duration, low pressure sets, i.e. 40-60 min at 3-3.5"Hg. Same expansion lower risk of edema because of the lower amount of stress.

Look at post #13 in my girth routine to find more pumping links.

 

[samsi4life]

This sleve you use is the ab silicone sleve right?

 

[namsokiek]

I made the sleeve myself, but it is made of the same stuff and is the same size.

 

[Bnip]

Bump for a great thread. I have seen a lot of pumping questions lately and this will help answer many of those questions.

 

[gstylzee]

are we talking silicone sleeve like the one with LG hanger or flaccid jacket both are very different in wall thickness and squishyness and stretchyness (GENUINE ENGINEERING TERMS THERE) =-)

 

[namsokiek]

I used a silicone sleeve with shore hardness of 00-30.

 

[not2big]

I have been pumping for about 4.5 years. Never used a sleeve. Controlled edema is what I want to achieve. It is my belief that edema is what causes the cells/tissue to expand and leads to permanent girth increase.

When I started, I pumped for 20 minutes at 5 hg twice a day. In the beginning I would often generate the doughnut on the underside of my penis just behind the glans. After a year or so, the doughnut was a rare experience. However, when I added in a 45 - 60 minute session once a week, the doughnut returned. After four years, I had gained about .85 inches in permanent girth.

I now only pump once a day for 20 minutes and once a week at 4 hg for 45 minutes and the doughnut has not been evident for quite a while.

i also have ED and quite often switch to a VED (vacuum erection device) to build a nice thick (up an additional 1/2 inch) erection ( thanks to the controlled edema) which is maintained by a tight constriction band which is slid off the VED onto the base of my erection which allows me to pleasure my wife for 20 to 30 minutes with an extra thick erection.

just a quick clarification. In addition to lymph fluid, the cells in your body are surrounded by interstitial fluid which enters and leaves the cells depending on ambient pressure. Accordingly, the cells are expanded with additional interstitial fluid when a vacuum is applied. Edema is a result of both increased interstitial and lymph fluid.

 

[BigO]

Fluid drawn into the skin will not help to produce any type of permanent gains, this is why many of the "for show" pumpes reach enormous size but experience very little if anything in permanent gains. If it helped then pumping at higher HG for longer time would mean bigger gains but it does not.

If Tigers pumping is back up you can see that the site is mostly for guys that take pumping to the extreme but most of them have also admitted they have little to zero gains even though the pump to ridiculous sizes. The love the bloated water balloon look. They even have a thread or two dedicated to such pumping.

 

[not2big]

If it is not edema, what causes your dick to to pack the walls of the cylinder?

 

[BigO]

Edema can but with a proper fitting cylinder it can be dine with little to no edema.

 

[namsokiek]

I noted in my pumping routine that I could get 3/8" expansion after long-duration, low-pressure pumping. If I continued to pump after reaching this expansion, edema would set in.

I concluded this expansion was because the tunica was stretched by pumping. It is important to note that I would edge 15 minutes between exiting the pump and measuring, to get a full erection and work out any small lymph fluid that may have started.

Daddydick had made a similar observation previously (about his max expansion before edema set in) and I was able to confirm it myself. While developing my routine, I increased my MEG 1/8". Coincidentally my max expansion remained 3/8" greater than my MEG.

I prefer manual girth work before long-duration, low-pressure pumping as a way to first stretch the tunica (manually) then hold the stretch with the pump. Lots of good expansion without the marshmallow appearance.

 

[Thatbdd]

What is the difference between a VED (vacuum erection device) and a regular hand held penis pump? Or are they the same thing?

Also how long should it take you to get to your desired hg? And is that build up time included in the set time, or is set time how long you stay under pressure after you've reached the hg you want to stay at?

 

[JonPop]

Yes they are the same.
It only takes 2-3 pumps to get to around 3-5 HG.
Yes that is the set time.

 

[not2big]

A VED includes a specially designed cylinder that allows you to easily slip on a tension band around the base of the cylinder that can easily be slipped off and onto the base of the pumped erection to maintain the erection for intercourse. Those that are medically approved for ED and insurance reimbursement generally sell for around $400. However, the manufacturers also make similarly designed devices that are not medically approved and sell for under $100.

Most do not have gauges and do not easily lend themselves for PE purposes. A hand held pump system with a vacuum gauge is better suited for therapy and PE purposes. However, a "hand held pump" system is not as convenient to use to generate an erection for sex.

 

[chuck89gt5.0]

Edging in between sets does wonders for reducing edema. And I believe that combination is helping me alot with girth

 

[chuck89gt5.0]

Not to mention it feels amazing to stroke your dick when it's Almost an inch thicker!

 

[JonPop]

I stand corrected N2B. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Thatbdd]

Jonpop, how fast should those 2-3 pumps be? Like how much time in between them?

Ive read you're not supost to pump up to fast as it can cause an injury, but would it not matter how fast you do it as long as your in that safe zone? (5hg and under)?

Also are penis pumps known to cause venous leak at under 5hg, or at all?