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That's a very good question It shouldn't be on so tight that you're cutting off circulation, but I find my dick goes cold and blue if I don't give it breaks and massage. Today, I kept a rice sock on it to keep the heat high and the blood flowing. I didn't turn blue when I did it
 

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When the opportunity for partying and nearly guaranteed sex comes along, I usually duck and dodge. I can't explain it. Am I afraid of something? I've gone into things like that before and I usually wake up sad, rather than proud.


I'm the guy who wants a relationship ... granted, with 3 or 4 girls at a time, but I prefer it a little steadier. Or... do I? Maybe I just don't know what I want.


I'm not going to get into the sob story of my life, but I've spent most of it isolated from people, or torn away from the ones I loved. I was homeless at 14, in jail by 16. I was in and out of group homes and hospitals in between then and somewhere along the way, I decided I was the lone wolf.


I guess... I want to be wanted. I can get that without the sex. That's why the topic of confidence and personality are harrowing on my mind, because those are the people who are truly wanted in life. That is, people with confidence and a brilliant personality.


I want to volunteer with kids and the handicapped, learn how to become financially successful and then build communities in parts of the world that have no infrastructure. That is TONS more exciting than clubs, to me.
I want to build schools and wells, I want to invest in funds for environmental research, I want to support small farms.
I would be so much more proud of myself if I did any of this than if I banged that hot blond from the bar.
Fuck, and then some people have me questioning myself. Where the hell are your priorities?


Well, this drunk girl didn't show me enough of what I want in a woman to get me turned on. I gotta say, a girl demanding sex from me is major turn off. It's like, where's your feminine quality? Where's your tact? I have standards, and while she had physical beauty, it seemed to me as though we were after two different things.


I need direction, I need to find my place in life. The people at the bars&clubs I work at look at me like I'm the weirdest person alive for turning down hot girls. But, obviously I'm not the only guy like me out there.

I don't usually read this forum, but I accidentally bumped into this post and only read it because you're fellow PUA.
You sound like someone who is grounded and is willing to take an advice, when you admitted you have a problem and is asking for help. As someone who is heavily into psychology, here is my take on your problem.

That loneliness and feeling rejected shaped you into neediness. Which you obviously know. (Also as PUA you know that neediness is not attractive quality that people respect)
The question now is, would you want to satisfy your need by doing all that stuff that is "good for society" or would you like to get rid of that neediness?
Would you rather do the things you need to do or the things you want to do?

I could challenge each of the good deeds you want to do, as actually being selfish. You're not doing these things for good of the society, you're doing it to satisfy your ego. I feel like you will have incomplete life if you peruse doing things just in order to satisfy your ego. Your happiness is made by yourself and not by some external influences. Remember this. Would you like to be always happy? Then you have to get rid of your ego.
Also, don't listen to the people saying this is normal. People questioning you are right. This all might seem heroic and noble to you and the society, but it's all the product of social conditioning. You don't know what is good or bad until you question it yourself.

Now, don't get me wrong, I still do "good" things for people, but now I'm much happier when I do them... when there is no pressure and when I don't feel unhappy if I skip doing them.
Also, judging girls for wanting sex shows me that this problem took it's roots very very deep. First of all, if done right, they enjoy sex much much more then guys. Seeing how much guys want sex, can you blame girls? Second, what do you think are their feminine qualities? To be able to have an intelligent conversation with her? I got friends for that. Now, I don't have girlfriends anymore, only fuck buddies.

Anyways, I hope this all made sense. I know all of this seems too complicated, but that problem of yours needs fixing and not enforcing it. Like an obese person needing cookies. If you want to correct this I can give you some books to read and exercises to do.
I'm living this unconditioned life so I know what I'm talking about. I don't need anything to be happy.
Best wishes.
 

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Sometimes I wonder why I got into game. When the opportunity for partying and nearly guaranteed sex comes along, I usually duck and dodge. I can't explain it. Am I afraid of something? I've gone into things like that before and I usually wake up sad, rather than proud. Maybe I don't think sex is all that it's cracked up to be.

I'll be honest - I have girls OFFERING themselves to me at the bar. Sometimes bluntly - "Can you take me home?" Sometimes not as much; I had this one cute short blond girl this weekend (an 8.5) stop dead in her tracks and say, "Oh my fucking god you are so hot. Hey guys (to her friends) Let's go in here I want this bouncer to hit on me."
My reaction? I felt grossed out. Other guys would probably wonder wtf is wrong with me. Sometimes I do too. Aren't guys supposed to jump on sex the minute it's offered? Aren't I supposed to be a dog, trained to pounce on the smallest opportunity?
That just doesn't describe me. I got into game because I thought my game was bad. Turns out - I'm sincerely disinterested in having wild sex with random girls. I'm the guy who wants a relationship ... granted, with 3 or 4 girls at a time, but I prefer it a little steadier. Or... do I? Maybe I just don't know what I want.

I think part of my problem is that I don't know how to build relationships. I'm not going to get into the sob story of my life, but I've spent most of it isolated from people, or torn away from the ones I loved. I was homeless at 14, in jail by 16. I was in and out of group homes and hospitals in between then and somewhere along the way, I decided I was the lone wolf.
I got out of jail at about 17 or 18 and tried the charismatic personable guy at school when I got out. It worked for a bit, but then something inside me crashed and I went loner again for another 3 years.
I'm trying to become someone I like. I don't like me right now. I mean, sure, I have a lot going for me. But there are a few things that are holding me back.

I think that's what all this game, girls, dating and crap is really about. It's about me becoming the person I want to be. It doesn't even have anything to do with getting girls. I guess... I want to be wanted. I can get that without the sex. That's why the topic of confidence and personality are harrowing on my mind, because those are the people who are truly wanted in life. That is, people with confidence and a brilliant personality.

I like me. I just need some tweaking. Sometimes, I don't think I'm as far off as I'm afraid I am.

You know, the things that really interest me are things like martial arts, knife throwing, bo staff training, wilderness survival. That gets my heart pounding much more than the opportunity at a 3some (Which I've now twice turned down). I want to volunteer with kids and the handicapped, learn how to become financially successful and then build communities in parts of the world that have no infrastructure. That is TONS more exciting than clubs, to me.
I want to build schools and wells, I want to invest in funds for environmental research, I want to support small farms.
I would be so much more proud of myself if I did any of this than if I banged that hot blond from the bar.
Fuck, and then some people have me questioning myself. Where the hell are your priorities?

I like a challenge. When a girl is all over me I'm not gunna be interested. I want to make her interested in me by me being interested in her. We may just be the same....ay?
 

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I don't usually read this forum, but I accidentally bumped into this post and only read it because you're fellow PUA.
You sound like someone who is grounded and is willing to take an advice, when you admitted you have a problem and is asking for help. As someone who is heavily into psychology, here is my take on your problem.

That loneliness and feeling rejected shaped you into neediness. Which you obviously know. (Also as PUA you know that neediness is not attractive quality that people respect)
The question now is, would you want to satisfy your need by doing all that stuff that is "good for society" or would you like to get rid of that neediness?
Would you rather do the things you need to do or the things you want to do?

I could challenge each of the good deeds you want to do, as actually being selfish. You're not doing these things for good of the society, you're doing it to satisfy your ego. I feel like you will have incomplete life if you peruse doing things just in order to satisfy your ego. Your happiness is made by yourself and not by some external influences. Remember this. Would you like to be always happy? Then you have to get rid of your ego.
Also, don't listen to the people saying this is normal. People questioning you are right. This all might seem heroic and noble to you and the society, but it's all the product of social conditioning. You don't know what is good or bad until you question it yourself.

Now, don't get me wrong, I still do "good" things for people, but now I'm much happier when I do them... when there is no pressure and when I don't feel unhappy if I skip doing them.
Also, judging girls for wanting sex shows me that this problem took it's roots very very deep. First of all, if done right, they enjoy sex much much more then guys. Seeing how much guys want sex, can you blame girls? Yes, I've read PUA books too. I'm aware girls enjoy sex. Except, I don't enjoy sex THAT much. I don't relate to the guys who do. Second, what do you think are their feminine qualities? To be able to have an intelligent conversation with her? I got friends for that.The girls I go with are my friends. Isn't that what a fuck buddy is? What's the point of sex without connection? I'm an intelligent creature, why would I not want to express this? I'm not Mr. Pickup. I'm a whole slew of things from clown, to sophisticated, to lover, to masseuse, to personal trainer. Sorry, I have a certain standard and if she can't tease my intelligence, then I'm not turned on. Now, I don't have girlfriends anymore, only fuck buddies.

Anyways, I hope this all made sense. I know all of this seems too complicated, but that problem of yours needs fixing and not enforcing it. Like an obese person needing cookies. If you want to correct this I can give you some books to read and exercises to do. Feel free to drop me a list.
I'm living this unconditioned life so I know what I'm talking about. I don't need anything to be happy.
Best wishes.
Having goals is a good thing. Wanting to do good is a good thing. I don't understand why a person would pop onto the internet and say that they aren't as good the person doing them thinks they are. It's like you're trying to make me question my goals to be in favour of your own.
What I want to do will make me an attractive person. Any neediness I have will be over ruled by the fact that I'm just a fuckin' kickass guy. And, after I join the military and get martial arts&weapons training, a bonafide badass to boot.

I'm not really sure about the point of your post. What are you trying to say?
 
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Having goals is a good thing. Wanting to do good is a good thing. I don't understand why a person would pop onto the internet and say that they aren't as good the person doing them thinks they are. It's like you're trying to make me question my goals to be in favour of your own.
What I want to do will make me an attractive person. Any neediness I have will be over ruled by the fact that I'm just a fuckin' kickass guy. And, after I join the military and get martial arts&weapons training, a bonafide badass to boot.

I'm not really sure about the point of your post. What are you trying to say?

I kind of read what you wrote last night but didn't have time to respond. You shouldn't have deleted it and I'm kind of responding to that post (if I remember it correctly).
Also, I just love having these kind of discussions, it kind of lets me in the people's minds which are fascinating for me, and if I help you in the process, then that's great.

Let me introduce myself as well, I'm Vladimir: winning poker player, spiritualist, psychologist, bodybuilder, pick-up artist, programmer, biologist, evolutionist, atheist, magician, instrument player, illusionist, joga practitioner, juggler, scientist, cook, stylist... and soon to be NLP practitioner, martial-artist, people reader... Also, I'm open-minded, non-judgmental, have no fears rational or irrational, always happy, love everything, I readily admit I'm wrong, I change myself...

First, you have to realize that nothing is inherently good or bad. If planet Earth disappeared right now, it would make no difference whatsoever. Here is a quote that sums it up:
“The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference.”
Richard Dawkins


But let's say it matters and let's take an extreme case of a "good deed". Would it be a good thing to help people survive? There are too much of us as it is... as the numbers go up we are pushing other life out of their existence, we're taking animal's habitat, killing them even more for meat... we are running lower on food and water, on fossil fuels... we are polluting even more. Now, is saving some family from poverty a good thing? You might be helping them but at the same time fucking up the whole planet on a small scale. Is building a school a good thing if those schools are teaching our children wrong If you want to look to focus on the negative sides of overpopulation, yea that'd make a lot of sense. But in the growing age, we're conducting tons of research on how to overcome all of these problems. Maybe some of those people I pull out of poverty will go and help the issues of Earth. Maybe they won't. But hey, at least I'm being proactive about them. What I'm hearing from you is, "Meh, fuck 'em." I don't do that.
Is saving a mouse from the cat a good thing or a bad thing? It's good for someone and bad for someone else. A cat can eat many things, so there is a way to save the mouse and keep the cat nourished.

Now, the next one is an important paragraph as you might wonder what is the point of living then, how to keep one selves motivated.
Life for me is a game. Do you remember, when you were a child, how the world seemed wondrous and how everything you saw you had to poke and smell and examine to see how and why it works? Why is it there? What does it do? The textures, colors, smells, shapes, dynamics... that's what life is about: Experiencing things, experimenting, finding out why stuff ticks...
After I got rid of my ego, fear of death and social conditioning, I feel literally drunk/high. That's what booze does anyway, you feel great because it removes those things... that's why you do those silly things that you'd otherwise feel judged about. I feel ecstatic and fascinated about everything. This is what real love is. Sounds good. I'm heading there. When you appreciate someone for what he is and not for what he has to offer to you. What you think is love is actually a form of neediness: "Oh look, someone wants me! I better stick to her because I wouldn't bear loosing her." That doesn't describe me even in the slightest.

Keep reading, this is even more important then the last paragraph.
You mentioned, when you got old that you'd be looking back fondly at what great deeds you did in life. But what if you, one day, figure out what I'm talking about right now? Then you'll feel terrible, because you found out that, what you did in life were not your goals, but someone else's goals. And what if you're wrong, and I never did? Then I'd be a terrible person for listening to you. Um... I'm still not sure what you're trying to tell me. Love myself and others? Or pickup is the new male religion? If you do what society/ego needs you to do, then you will live an unfulfilled life and you will regret it one day. You're expected to dig wells for the society so you do it.Who expects me to do this? What society are you living in? I don't know man, I like having my own goals and I'm the one thinking clearly here... uninhibited by my ego or weird needs. You will never become satisfied if you try to fulfill those needs, just like a millionaire can't get enough millions...​That's a major generalization that you just made there. As though anyone who makes big amounts of money are addicted to making money to fill this needy little void inside them.

Yes, having goals is a good thing. And admittedly I got so many goals that I doubt I'll accomplish everything in my lifetime. But, those are my goals. Whose goals do you have? Would you rather travel, even though that doesn't do any good for the world or make people respect you more? Would you rather <insert your thing here>?

This is the point of my post, I want to help you achieve this. You don't know what living means. Okay, I'll listen. How do I live life more?


We might or might not discuss this but I got something else to ask you. You say that you got girls throwing themselves at you left and right (before they even talk to you as I understood). Why do you think is that so? Is it your lifestyle, looks, charisma... if you could elaborate on that, it would be of so much help. Cheers

I deleted my old post because after I wrote it and came back from work, I reread it ... and didn't really agree with it. I decided it was too much, and left an impression of me that isn't true. I came across as thinking I was better than people. I never said girls were throwing themselves at me. I said I have girls approach me. They will because of the way I talk and behave, the way I hold myself. I'm fit, I'm attractive and can be very outgoingly charismatic. I'm fairly confident.
lol especially at the bar. Often, I'll be joking or talking with some patrons and a girl will see me and walk up and say hi. Last night, I had one girl approach me and tell me her friend thought I was cute. I went up to her and played it like we were in highschool. I told her I was going to write her letters during class and skip detention to come see her. good fun
 
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Let me introduce myself as well, I'm Vladimir: winning poker player, spiritualist, psychologist, bodybuilder, pick-up artist, programmer, biologist, evolutionist, atheist, magician, instrument player, illusionist, joga practitioner, juggler, scientist, cook, stylist... and soon to be NLP practitioner, martial-artist, people reader... Also, I'm open-minded, non-judgmental, have no fears rational or irrational, always happy, love everything, I readily admit I'm wrong, I change myself...

You forgot to add modest to the list. Lol
 

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:poster_oops: I'm sorry Nacho, I accidentally hit Edit your post, rather than quote and reply. :lol:

I wrote my reply in your post

I'm going to ask that you take this to PM. I like to save my log for logging my PE progress
 
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lol, I was looking at my post and I seriously questioned my sanity for a second. Didn't realize you're a mod.

I might have went overboard in generalizing in the heat of typing. PM it is.
 

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There have been a few posts lately about divorce, cheating wives and the like, which is why I'm posting this here. I don't want to start a huge debate over it, I'm merely sharing my thoughts about my experiences and relating them to what I see a the PEG.


I started working for this one call center a few weeks ago. It's not the world's greatest job and I've already given my resignation for some place else.
In my training class, there was this girl named Zoe who really caught my eye. She had this punk rock alternative thing going on with her snakebite piercings and wore a devilish smile on her lips. Her pitch black hair bobbed just above her shoulders as she walked in late.
She was told to sit next to me so that I could show her what was going on and from there we became quick friends. She loved to talk, we teased each other and started this little competition about who could take the most surveys that day. I won.

She kept coming over to talk to me. We would make strong eye contact, even when we weren't talking. We would just hold one another's eyes with our own. At first I thought, she wants me. Then she told me that she was engaged. I was very surprised. She told me she was 19 and had been with the same guy for the last 5 years. So in my mind, I discounted her as anything potential from growing between us and put her in the friendzone.

Except, she did want me. She gave me all the signs. She was incredibly flirtatious with me. She kept calling me evil, kept calling me a bad boy. She would punch me when I teased her. When I flirted with other girls in front of her, she got jealous.

I'm not the kind of guy to make others live by any certain standard of life. If you're cheating on your fiance with me, I don't see that as my problem, but rather her problem. She's the one in the relationship. If she wanted to foster that commitment, she would have.

We spoke about her leaving her fiance today because she's unhappy with him. She wrote a list of pros and cons regarding her current partner to determine whether she should stay or leave. I want you to read it so that you can understand my point of view. Here it is, almost word for word as she wrote it:

PROS:
-he sometimes surprises me by cleaning or making dinner.
-he buys me things we both like and use
-he is funny and can make me laugh
-he tries to like the things I like (her snakes - he hates snakes but is making an effort)
-he's smart and educated
-he's good looking
^That all took me 5 minutes (to come up with)


Toadstool, I found the cons flew out easily but I can't think of any pros

CONS:
-he expects everything to be done for him
-he holds me back from what I want in life
-he is very irresponsible with money
-he doesn't understand me
-he tends to make me the punchline of the joke
-he is a bad listener
-he doesn't listen to how I feel
-he makes me feel bad about myself
-he has a drinking problem
-he doesn't clean up after himself
-he can't take responsibility for his actions and blames me for all
-he calls me names
-he doesn't respect my requests or how I feel
-he is insecure
-he yells and gets verbally aggressive quite often
-I cannot talk to guys
-daddy hates him
-as well as my mom
-I feel sexually/physically inadequate
-he can be physically aggressive
-he makes me feel stupid
-sex is like a chore
-he doesn't trust me


PROS (For toadstool)
-listens to how I feel
-cares about how I feel/think
-makes me smile and laugh
-sees my potential
-loves snakes and myloe
-gives me butterflies and makes me feel like the only girl in the world
-makes me happy to be around him
>This took me 30 seconds


I'm not patting myself on the back for my extraordinary game, so don't take me the wrong way. I fully believe that what she feels for me might very well be a fleeting emotion as a result of something shifting inside of her. Maybe her subconscious is pushing her to break up with her fiance and is highlighting any guy who is good to her. Or hey, maybe she does actually see me with long-term potential. Who knows
What I do want to do is illustrate how a person can go from 5 years of relationship and "throw it all away" for another guy. One thing I read here at the PEG is how wounded a man becomes as a result of cheating, as though he had no part to play.
Granted, it hurts badly. I think it was Mikes Mrs. who asked, but what is he doing to make her turn to the arms of another man? I think it's ultimately a good question, though not well placed at the time. I don't believe people go into long term relationships and then sleep with someone else for no reason at all. There must be some reason why it happens and you don't have to look any farther than yourself and your actions.
Have you taken her for granted? Are you mean to her? Do you secretly resent her?

Nothing lasts forever. Even mountains weather away. ...unless you do something to keep it protected.

People often take on the innocent role. It's very hard for people to take responsibility for their actions. At work, how often to you hear someone say "Yea, that was my fault?" It's so much easier to point the finger to someone else and dodge any responsibility for the misgivings in your life. Maybe God or the Universe is playing some cosmic, cruel joke on you and you have no part to play in what's happening. Maybe you really are the victim of your own life. What do I know


I'm just glad I've been able to take a back seat this whole time to the relationship thing. I've been able to see that while it can last for a long time, relationships are very delicate. Like a flower. Once they're dying, it's hard to revive them.
I'm sure this guy could do something to win her back. She wants to be with him. But she wants to be happy and he doesn't give that to her. So she has to find it elsewhere.
I'm sure this is a theme played out in most relationships. She has a need that he does no fulfill so she looks to other men to fill it.

If I could give any advice to people, it's to not be together all the time. Take a trip away from her for awhile and do something without her. Have a boys night out, sleep in a different bed, anything.
Then, go back and tell her how much you miss her. No, don't do that. Show it to her. Find any way to spark that desire for her inside of you and build a fire. Make her feel that heat deeply inside her, just like you did when you two first met.
I think making her feel special, making her believe she's special is a powerful way of keeping your woman. That why spontaneous acts of romance are so nice.
Keep her guessing and she'll want to be around you forever.


Zoe wants me to commit to her. Maybe we won't last, maybe we will... but while I'm with her, I can't see other women.
Maybe that's what I'm looking for. I wasn't big into the alternative anyway. What have I got to lose here?

Today I took her by the hand and led her to an empty parking lot. You know the ones with a roof and several floors? There was a gentle drizzle outside and we hurried into the safety of the parking lot, where we talked and made out.
 
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Here's my plan:

Morning Stretches: Warming up with 12 second stretches in all directions (Up, straight out, down, left, right) and 25 kegels in between. That adds up to 125 kegels. Then I do ten full rotations, where I grip my penis and rotate it 360 degrees, in each direction and 25 kegels in between. This is where I do my set of tunica tugs or 6-8 reps. I perform this only once.
I repeat this whole process twice for a total of about 350 kegels and about 10 - 15 minutes of stretching.

I type this right after a stretch. I measured my flaccid length: 4.5 inches, but it soon turtles to maybe 1.5-2". I know this is a sign of fatigue. But, my dick usually turtles; it's common for me. I'm not exactly sure what to make of it. Throughout the day, i'll notice it fluctuate in length, too.


Then i go on to the actual stretching. It's pretty much the same as the warm up, but without the kegels and I hold the position longer. I do every direction for 30 seconds. This adds up to another 15 minutes or so. I would throw in something else but I don't know any other exercise because they aren't posted.

After I'm finished this, I cool down. My cooldown is basically the warm up. My kegel muscles are pretty tired after.

More than 6 hours later, I'll do my exercises:
Night Routine: I'll warm up (as mentioned above) and then lube myself up. I will do 60 jelqs, then 60 V jelgs. I do 4 sets of this then I do 6 compressions and 4x30-45 second uli jelqs.
I cool down and then I'm done.
Seems like a pretty good routine dude., and I have the same issue with turtling itll shrink up from 6" to about 2" which sucks I heard wrapping it to keep it from turtling so I'm gonna start doing that I'm just taking some time off and next week I'm going to start the jp90..
 

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She has been with him for 5 years because she hadnt met you yet. He has already lost her. Best of luck. Have you noticed any results from the erect bends yet?
 
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