The Varicocele - Topic

[HF83]

Hi Xosuit how is your varicocele doing, and do you still think the Bromelain is a succesful remedy for varicocele? I read just 1 post on the internet about serrapeptase, a similar proteolytic enzyme, of which the poster said that serrapeptase can eat away the protective sheathing of the nerves of the heart, causing electric heart rhythm disorders, and that he had chest pain issues for a couple of weeks after stopping it, until it went away.

So I don't know if bromelain is related to this claim, but it kind of makes me hesitant to try bromelain..

Interesting claim. It would be fun to see if anyone have any experience with such a thing when on Bromelain.

 

[Excellator]

Found another testimony on YouTube by someone who cured his varicocele with Ayurveda:

MsMartinpaul
My vericocele is trated in 6months from ayurvedic treatment.Marm , panchkarma , loha shuddhi all was done in Shrishri ashram.And it wasnt came back for years.My medical doctors aas giving me rong suggestions and looted my lots of money behind medical therapies and after all he told m you have to do surgery and want to loot me more.
Then i googled it , and i went to the india.And now i didnt got vericocele.See i want to tell you one thing , medical doctors waas hiding from us.See vericocele or vericose veins was happened due to either weakness in your body or either anykind of antibiotics reaction.In my case fmy vericocele happened due to wrong antibiotics given by stomuch doctor gestronologist.I got infection in colon abd he gave me antibiotics per antibiotics of liver , he just want to destroy my liver also.So i left to see him and one major thing is dont go to the gestronologist or go to the ayyrvedic doctor untill your symtoms will remains over 1 month.
This is important because of that was pure business with your body.If you like your body then dont go to the medical doctors for small problems. I just took oath untill my breath runs i wont go to the medical doctors.Never ever.
See here is my history , they just took my bloodtests over 10times.Over 10times!!!! Why?because of daf*qs dokctors cane from readig medical books so they are doinng what a book says , they dont have practical knowledge and it was true.Because of if they want to do bloodtests then they can do all in just one time blood test.In which first 5 times blood was taken for normal blood test cbc , 5 times they took blood tests for counting blood for making money.Well 5 times are for acetone in blood , my diabetes level and other was protein blood test(creatine , libid etc) .They gound nothing then they started to giving liver antibiotics through glucose bottles and i m getting reactions per reactions and i got vericocele and peudendtial nerves got damaged.They just damaged my central nerveous system.Well they didnt solved my stomicj problem.and my mother is roaming from one hospital tot the another, because of i m only person which one is earning for me and my mom and i dont have father.Andnother relatives also we took money from neighbour for petmenent solution of stomuch and they created other problems that doesnt had in past. Well mh neighbour's money was wasting like water and in the last we gestronologist told me you have mentle problem you need to see phychetrist.And phychetrist told me your mri is showing normal brain movement and you have strong mind there is nothing to do with phychetrist.Ijust changed 5 gestronologists , 3 urologist , 1 physiotherapist , 3 neuro , 1 endicrinologist , 2 genetics doctors and all was experimenting on me.
But in those results veeicocele is showing innl just one report first one hospital , while 2nd &3rd time in 2 different hospitals it was showing no vericocele has been found.Ok let it go one handsome doctor told me you have to do colonoscopy and endoscopy.Wew , i done that founded nothing.
Now it was like disaster of money , and which doctors took lots of money from me they will.never got heaven in their life.I m priestand dont have so much money.Also my fayehr was died in accident when my age was 15years old and then no one can give us lots of money.We just took loans and still i m In bed.Doctors told me if this case goes in hand with goverment.Whatever still i cant digest anything without coconut water.I cant walk properly because of vericocele and my boss fired me becsuse of lots of illness.Atlast hysiotherapist founded that i m having central nervous sytem disorder butevery mris is showing my brainnwas fine.But other 3 neuros showinng that i m having no nervous system.disorder.
So this is our medical doctory science which is useless and only money booming business for them ,which cant measure major faults in my body.My liver was working better , pancreas , insulines was fine.
So what problem is connected with my abdominal destructions and vericocele and vericose veins doctors wont know any of clue.
Then i went to the ayurvedic doctor from srisri ayurvedic clinic they send me in bengluru station of ashram.I told then clearly this is my last money that ive spend and came here. , he told me dont worry ayurvedic wont work with money.
Then they found i m.having nabhitharan means that bellybutton diluation at age of 25 and they are in shock.Because of usally that happenes with 60years and above aged person.They told me your uropean systwm havin.fake.foods like gmo genetically modified injected fruits and vegetables , proceed foods , fatsfood and chemically invaded sausages.This all. was responsible for it and youruropean goverments are growing seeds which was gmo.Also your goverments are selling poison in name of cow's milk , they are also injecting chemicals for more production of milk.
Well our uropean milk was so different in taste than the indian pure milk of cow not from amul , amul was also selling pasturised milk in india.So they told me not to dont buy.that also.And after 2 years in just recovered in free.
He told me we dontwant your money , if you really wanna give money than donate it in srisri for education of poor childrens in india.

From the comment section of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVMtGFMlkG0

Edit: By checking this guy's uploaded video, I see in the comments section of it that he is in fact Bounty hunter, the user from the previous page in this topic.

 

[Excellator]

Also found this:

"Mukkutti herb is very useful in treating Varicocele. The leaves of this herb (20) need to be boiled in 300ml of water for 40 mins. Strain and cool this potion and drink it two times daily for a month and complete relief would be accorded in a month. As an alternative Psyllium seed husk fiber is a very good herbal treatment for Varicocele. Just add the husk of this ingredient to you daily staple diet (1 tsp) for a month and get complete cure from Varicocele. These herbal treatments are time tested and side affect free."

From:
https://www.curezone.org/forums/fm.asp?i=2103930#i and https://web.archive.org/web/2015030...m/2010/02/09/herbal-treatment-for-varicocele/

Mukkutti herb is a herb used in Ayurveda too apparently.

There is also this Ayurvedic guy who names home remedies for varicocele but it's not in english unfortunately:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h06260BWYuE

 

[Excellator]

When google searching in Indonesian language for varicocele natural treatment one finds several websites, and some of them recommend Golden Sea Cucumber and another product called Ace Maxs, for varicocele.

This is the golden sea cucumber product being recommended in particular, being sold by multiple vendors on ebay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-GOLD-G-G...rentrq:df5d32b71680ac1cba7628bffffe58ff|iid:1
https://www.ebay.com/itm/A-Miracle-...itm=263942282235&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1

Ace Maxs is a product that contains mangosteen peel/rind and soursop leaves. Mangosteen peel/rind appears to have very powerful natural abilities. It contains Xanthones which are apparently very powerful.

This Indonesian website states that using 2-3 bottles of Jelly Gamat Gold G (which consists of 4-6 weeks using it) will deliver results for varicocele:
http://ramuansehat.yolasite.com/

Use a translator feature on your internet browser to read it.

This website contains a testimony of a guy who used Ace Maxs for 3 months and his varicocele completely cured:

http://obatherbalmaknyus.blogspot.com/2014/03/ramuan-obat-untuk-menyembuhkan-varikokel.html

This website shows how to distinguish fake from real Jelly Gamat Gold G products:
https://www.herbalsehat.net/blog/ciri-ciri-jelly-gamat-gold-g-asli

Also the original product is available here: https://www.herbalsehat.net/jelly-gamat-gold-g-asli.html

 

[Excellator]

The mangosteen peel is also called the mangosteen pericarp.

 

[Excellator]

So technically if that testimony is true, one could use either mangosteen extract (with the whole fruit or just the pericarp) capsules or a juice like XanGo juice, along with graviola leaves juice or extract to treat varicocele.

Mangosteen is noted in Bodybuilding circles for reducing estrogen levels, which are responsible for varicose veins including varicocele most likely.

XanGo juice is popular because it apparently heals all sorts of ailments because among more mangosteen contains a rare xanthone that is only in mangosteen and no other fruit and mangosteen has been known for centuries in Asia to have healing properties for all sorts of ailments.

I am very interested in trying it for 3 months like that guy and see if it helps for my varicocele..

 

[Excellator]

XanGo juice is available in the west and is made by an American company. It is available online and has been very popular for years for healing all sorts of conditions apparently.

 

[Excellator]

astral kid 2
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I started taking Rutin at 500 mg twice a day and my vaircocele is completely gone. Haven't noticed the discomfort or raidiating heat since I starting taking Rutin.

Testimony from 2018 found here: https://raypeatforum.com/community/...ers-libido-causes-ed.15558/page-4#post-362316

However I read a review of rutin once about a guy who wanted to prevent deep vein thrombosis in his legs (giant blood clot) with rutin because research showed it could possibly help, but instead when he started using it started noticing increased pain in his legs and thought that the rutin was actually causing deep vein thrombosis so he quit it, and the pain subsequently dissapeared again.

Also it is unclear in the testimony above whether this guy defines varicocele as just discomfort and radiating heat or the actual varicose vein, when he says that it is "completely gone". He might just mean that the symptoms that he suffered from the varicocele dissapeared, instead of the actual varicose vein dissapearing. It is uncertain what he means.

So I'm hesitant to try rutin... But maybe others could research it more and see to what conclusions they can come.

 

[Excellator]

There was a data loss on the forum.
So far what I've gathered, that was lost:

- SriSri Ayurveda can cure varicocele
- Dr. Saracoglu from Turkey has a cure for varicocele stage 1, consisting of topped lavender/lemon balm mixed tea in the morning and in the evening for 15 days, then field horsetail tea in the morning and shepherd's purse tea in the evening from that moment on. Dried herbs for the best result.
- Saeed Khani PhD in medicine from Iran has made a herbal ointment and brought it on the Iranian market which was shown in a study to cure varicoceles in several cases. This makes his product eligible to state "useful in treating varicocele" on its package by Iranian law. The news report on it states that this product is the first of its kind for treating varicocele in the world. It was featured in a national economic conference in Iran. His ointment is available online for shipment in Iran but not outside. If anyone wants the ingredients just let me know and I will post them.
- horizontal cycling using your bed and a cycle hometrainer might strengthen the varicocele vein and improve it, perhaps even close to curing it.

 

[Excellator]

I also forgot to mention, I have made a Varicocele Discord server where anything regarding varicocele can be discussed!

Find the Varicocele discord server here and join now!

https://discord.gg/fRaEvuF

We already have a small community in there.

Discord is a free website which allows you to chat with other people and create your own chat servers.

 

[Excellator]

For what it's worth:

Dr. Ray Peat PhD, nutrition counselor on varicocele:

"I think they develop because of an excess of cortisol relative to DHEA and pregnenolone. That imbalance is likely to occur with low protein intake, low thyroid, and low vitamins D and A."

 

[mohamedlamine]

Thank you Nikitis for all the informations you provided and for everyone else on this thread, i found some of them very insughtful
I suggest you to be more cautious with the things you try, and i wish you success on your healing journey... Keep us updated and good luck.

 

[Excellator]

Thank you Nikitis for all the informations you provided and for everyone else on this thread, i found some of them very insughtful
I suggest you to be more cautious with the things you try, and i wish you success on your healing journey... Keep us updated and good luck.

Thanks man, appreciate it. Still researching and investigating this condition everyday. There's a hypothesis scientists have that anatomical variations (Google bahren type 3 anatomy) that developed at birth is what causes varicocele. I don't believe it though.

It could be a muscle. Take a look at these pictures:

https://medivisuals1.com/images/products/detail/102010_01X.jpg

https://www.aafp.org/afp/2002/0501/afp20020501p1834-f1.jpg

 

[xosuit]

Testimony from 2018 found here: https://raypeatforum.com/community/...ers-libido-causes-ed.15558/page-4#post-362316

However I read a review of rutin once about a guy who wanted to prevent deep vein thrombosis in his legs (giant blood clot) with rutin because research showed it could possibly help, but instead when he started using it started noticing increased pain in his legs and thought that the rutin was actually causing deep vein thrombosis so he quit it, and the pain subsequently dissapeared again.

Also it is unclear in the testimony above whether this guy defines varicocele as just discomfort and radiating heat or the actual varicose vein, when he says that it is "completely gone". He might just mean that the symptoms that he suffered from the varicocele dissapeared, instead of the actual varicose vein dissapearing. It is uncertain what he means.

So I'm hesitant to try rutin... But maybe others could research it more and see to what conclusions they can come.

I tried rutin it does work , its effects are only temporary though from my experience and others. Also about the serrapeptase, I dont use it. It caused me massive light headiness when i tried it. Consistently i might add. But I've been takin bromelain for a while and i have got palpitations before but I was taking a total of like 10,000 gdu a day. Once i cut down, palpitations gone. Im pretty sure its because of the blood thinning properties of enzymes that this happens. Same with rutin, though rutin never gave me palpitations.

The conclusion in my book is scar tissue which impedes blood flow simple as that. Enzymes eat that away but it takes a long time. Pancreatic enzymes are best. bromelain is a middle contender and serrapeptase I just stay away from. So yup,.thats my conclusion.

 

[Excellator]

I tried rutin it does work , its effects are only temporary though from my experience and others. Also about the serrapeptase, I dont use it. It caused me massive light headiness when i tried it. Consistently i might add. But I've been takin bromelain for a while and i have got palpitations before but I was taking a total of like 10,000 gdu a day. Once i cut down, palpitations gone. Im pretty sure its because of the blood thinning properties of enzymes that this happens. Same with rutin, though rutin never gave me palpitations.

The conclusion in my book is scar tissue which impedes blood flow simple as that. Enzymes eat that away but it takes a long time. Pancreatic enzymes are best. bromelain is a middle contender and serrapeptase I just stay away from. So yup,.thats my conclusion.

But did you actually end up permanently curing you varicocele in the end?

 

[Excellator]

@everyone I am seeking volunteers for this TRE (Traumatic Release Exercise) routine for inducing a tremor (involuntarily shaking) in the psoas that releases stress and tension in the psoas muscle. It's a series of exercises you have to do and could possibly resolve varicocele:

 

[Excellator]

Also please join the Varicocele discord!!

https://discord.gg/fRaEvuF

 

[xosuit]

Well I just judge from the testes sag and slight ed and the pain throb. Judging from those things being gone I would conclude yes but I havent gone to the doctor to check since the symptoms are finally gone i'm gappy

 

[Excellator]

Well I just judge from the testes sag and slight ed and the pain throb. Judging from those things being gone I would conclude yes but I havent gone to the doctor to check since the symptoms are finally gone i'm gappy

The most simple test to see what's up is to feel the vein using your fingers. Is it still enlarged? Then you still have varicocele. Please report back if yours is still enlarged or not!

 

[Excellator]

Bumpity bump!
Thoughts on varicocele:
90percent people are right handed, they also have left shoulder elevation, and a resultant pelvis deviation.(you can check, it's just my observation,)
Also 90%varicocele is on the left side. Docs just speculate and cut you up.

There is high relapse rate.

All this makes me think that this is due to right left imbalance and can be treated without surgery.

I always sleep in my left side. I have a varicolele in the left sac. Last night I slept on my right side and the varicocele almost vanished!

Nice morning boner too

Makes me think this thing has a cure and that lies in posture and right left alignment.

I'll try a couple of things, and then share my routine if it works.

Any physical therapy, posture correction, success stories are very welcome.

Thanks.

I missed this post back when it was posted but I am very interested how your varicocele is doing now, and also if other people have the same effects!