The truth about protein shakes

[AlteredBeast86]

Also, 3000 calories is not enough for me. Haha, I forgot to mention that.

One of my nutrition professors told my class a story of an athlete that was trying to bulk and was eating like 250 grams of protein daily and he ended up in the ER (she worked there) due to ketosis from that excess protein and he almost died. So just be careful

There's always the guy, that took X one time and had massive organ failure. Vitamin C has a laundry list of negative side effects. People are made differently and have different weaknesses. That one guy does not represent the rest of the population.

Oh and Layne Norton is sponsored by Scivation, it's part of his job description to promote lots of protein. You think they'd sponsor someone telling people not to take lots and lots of protein? They want our money! Not saying the "30 grams of protein" thing is BS or it isn't (I haven't looked at studies for it either way) but just something to keep in mind

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I fucking KNEW you'd bring that up! Hahaha, yes I know that, but his research and medicine should be respected. He's put in the time, and he came out with all of his theories while in school, not while he was being signed by a nutrition company. He graduated with his PhD a year or two before SCI-vation picked him up. You know what, I'm going to see what exactly he has written on this subject and report back here. I don't know what I'm going to find so I may have my foot in my own mouth.

 

[bigmoe5067]

all the more reason to adopt a healthier diet. chances are you will recover from trauma faster as well.

also you say carbs make you fat. did you strictly monitor kcal intake on that carb heavy diet? also did you give it time to work out. you intestines continously shed and reshape, adapting to what you eat, and over time foods that dont work well with you will begin to.

if anything just consider a long term approach to a healthy diet once your time serving is over, maybe even research some less dependent protein diets or better yet, switch out that whey for a whole pea protein powder.

i dont mind the attitude. i appreciate passion.

but remember the likes of jack lelane and Bill Pearl, or even tony gonzalez the football player. a bunch of mma fighters follow a 100-150gram protein diet as well.

if anything realize you can maintain your body without it with a healthier diet. its up to you if its worth the change and effort

if its worth anything, i used to be a protein heavy advocate when in the exercise physio part of my education. it was until i made it to grad school studying nutrition for me to go vegan/nutritarian. people change, after a little investigating you may too

 

[bigmoe5067]

Also, 3000 calories is not enough for me. Haha, I forgot to mention that.

There's always the guy, that took X one time and had massive organ failure. Vitamin C has a laundry list of negative side effects. People are made differently and have different weaknesses. That one guy does not represent the rest of the population.
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I fucking KNEW you'd bring that up! Hahaha, yes I know that, but his research and medicine should be respected. He's put in the time, and he came out with all of his theories while in school, not while he was being signed by a nutrition company. He graduated with his PhD a year or two before SCI-vation picked him up. You know what, I'm going to see what exactly he has written on this subject and report back here. I don't know what I'm going to find so I may have my foot in my own mouth.

typically i tend tend to trust 50% of university studies but i cant trust anything with scivation on it. he may also have been a protein advocate prior to joining scivation in school, with his own beliefs influencing his research. its hard to get the motive of a researcher without seeing a few of their studies. i like to stick to researchers whose premise isnt athletic nutrition because they always tend to sacrifice health for sport. i would love to eventually do research of comprehensive health within sports nutrition

 

[Toadstool]

beans, lentils, peas, asparagus, pecans, brazil nuts, coconut, black rice, low carb high protein wraps (usually oat based but sometimes wheat), some fish ( i eat 4 oz of tilapia 3x a week), and every single veggie and fruit under the sun are staples for me. when im training hard i may end up eating upwards of 10-12 oz of nuts and seeds in a day usually 4-6 oz though. id say 1 lb of veggies raw, 1 lb steamed. 2-3 cups of lentils a day. i do use one scoop of non isolated pea protein powder (20 gram dose) in my fruit/veggie smoothie everyday. i also probably eat close to 3/4lb of fruit everyday.

between the dense carbs that have on average 7 grams of protein per serving between all the types i eat (say 20 grams there), the lentils at 18 grams per cups (2 cups x18), my 20 gram scoop of pea protein. my nuts at 6-7 grams per oz (average 5oz eaten), and a lb of veggies is about 16 grams of protein ( 1 lb raw, 1 lb steamed) we have 138 grams of protein. thats along with a sh*t ton of healthy fat, and a bunch of dense carbs anda bunch of fast acting carbs via (fruit).

when im motivated and back at school ill use my nutpro program to do a work up of my sample diet that post all the macros and micros and show that a day with no whey or meat can have all the criteria of that of all bodybuilder diet if needed to be adapted that way.

also you dont see many vegetarians and nutritarians all jacked out of their mind because they tend to transcend the belief that a perfect body is sole derived of aesthetics and strength. like me i dont have time for that because i like to train for speed, mobility, agility, coordination, decreasing my distance running times, increasing my distance running in attempt run a full marathon, do yoga and focusing on breathing technique, flexibility training, etc etc. the more you focus on your health, the less important muscles and mirrors becomes and more important full body comprehensive health becomes

I appreciate the post, Bigmoe. That sounds very much like my current diet. I was asking for any books, or websites you trust, though. Do you have any you can share with us?

i believe in having my cake and eating it too. I'm building a well rounded body that can look good, perform well and stay healthy. But I think that falls into training style, rather than optimal health, I'm sure.

I enjoy lifting 150% my body weight and want to hit 200% one day. I plan to still be able to bench my body weight by the time I'm 85. personally, I never liked the look of marathon runners. Small, no muscle, some extra dangling fat. I enjoy sprinting, rowing, skipping and fighting as my cardio source On my spare time I race cyclists on foot. lol

And hey, thanks for always posting whenever there's a nutrition topic that springs up. There aren't a lot of people to advocate a healthy lifestyle, and you've really become the expert on healthy dieting here at the gym.

 

[bigmoe5067]

Dr. furhman is my go to for health. Drfurman.com http://www.drfuhrman.com he goes just by the stats. the works cited for his books are 40+ pages long, and hes a medical practitioner along with being a nutritional doctor and active researcher. he targets older demographics but his ideas are sound, and its never too early to adopt a health based diet. there are times i disagree with him, but very seldomly. I have yet to take a sports nutrition class, but will within the next 2 semesters.

as for training books you need this site. simply incredible access to all types of books you might want to buy on sports nutrition, exercise, and general physical activity. hell they even sell collegiate text books humankinetics.com http://humankinetics.com

 

[BTBrian]

I appreciate the post, Bigmoe. That sounds very much like my current diet. I was asking for any books, or websites you trust, though. Do you have any you can share with us?

i believe in having my cake and eating it too. I'm building a well rounded body that can look good, perform well and stay healthy. But I think that falls into training style, rather than optimal health, I'm sure.

I enjoy lifting 150% my body weight and want to hit 200% one day. I plan to still be able to bench my body weight by the time I'm 85. personally, I never liked the look of marathon runners. Small, no muscle, some extra dangling fat. I enjoy sprinting, rowing, skipping and fighting as my cardio source On my spare time I race cyclists on foot. lol

And hey, thanks for always posting whenever there's a nutrition topic that springs up. There aren't a lot of people to advocate a healthy lifestyle, and you've really become the expert on healthy dieting here at the gym.

Toad, I'm fairly certain after reading your posts for a few months (including your ab pictures and whatnot) that you are me. Evil twin maybe? I don't know.

 

[Toadstool]

Brian, do you mean that you go racing cyclists too? I'm not sure what you mean.
Did you post your abs? I don't remember seeing them.

Thank you for your post bigmoe. It is much appreciated I'm going to copy pasta this somewhere so i can get back to it later

 

[BTBrian]

Brian, do you mean that you go racing cyclists too? I'm not sure what you mean.
Did you post your abs? I don't remember seeing them.

I just mean, every post that you describe yourself or beliefs or whatever almost always coincides with my feelings on the subject too. And I saw your ab pics and we have very similar body types. Just everything about you makes me feel like we're related or something haha. Hopefully that doesn't sound creepy lol

 

[Toadstool]

We even joined at the same time. hah.

 

[JamesMonroe]

Hey 3666777: you need to read more. Real food is more effective than a shake post nutrition and you don't need to absorb protein right away after your last bicep curl. You have a good amout of time after your workout. You are just saying what the protein companies write on their advertisements in magazines and on their protein products. Haha. It's bullshit. Many of you still don't understand the point of my post and that I'm living proof that you don't need the man-made protein chemical shakes as long as you eat right and have a food routine/workout and that most people can just eat 3 meals a day, eventhough I'm 210 pounds. I'm gaining crazy muscle each week for 2 years and it's even visually obvious. I eat real food before and after the gym.

 

[DemOne]

I still haven't seen you post proof that protein shakes are nothing but unhealthy chemicals. Take off the tin foil hat.

 

[Hanma]

What about the high sodium content?

 

[bigmoe5067]

I still haven't seen you post proof that protein shakes are nothing but unhealthy chemicals. Take off the tin foil hat.

while not a real chemical, condensed casein and whey have enough negative health ramifications to be proteins than moonlight as unhealthy chemicals in their spare time

 

[DemOne]

while not a real chemical, condensed casein and whey have enough negative health ramifications to be proteins than moonlight as unhealthy chemicals in their spare time

And you do know that there are other types of proteins out there, not just casein and whey.

 

[bigmoe5067]

i am very aware. those two are just the worst. any concentrated isolate protein will have negative impact on health. even soy. i use 1 scoop of a portien powder in my 64 oz smoothie every day. its a 20 gram scoop of non isolated pea protein.

i am not against very active people mildly supplementing protein , as long as they are using a quality source. my assumption is that 90% or more of protein powders sold are isolates from other wise healthy protein sources, or powders derived from unhealthy sources. not many people are willing to shell out 50-60$ for a 2 lb bag of protein powder that only has 20 grams per scoop, and has just as much carbs per scoop

 

[DemOne]

I just shelled out $33 for a 1lb bag of healthy protein, but thanks to discounts, $27 and change! Yay!

 

[bigmoe5067]

I just shelled out $33 for a 1lb bag of healthy protein, but thanks to discounts, $27 and change! Yay!

27 is a deal too, thats the sad part. scivation sells 10lb bag of whey for like 45$. the 1/2 long island fiscal jew in me still wants to just buy it regardless of my opinions on the situation. good thing whey makes me incredibly bloated otherwise i could see myself caving in

 

[DemOne]

27 is a deal too, thats the sad part. scivation sells 10lb bag of whey for like 45$. the 1/2 long island fiscal jew in me still wants to just buy it regardless of my opinions on the situation. good thing whey makes me incredibly bloated otherwise i could see myself caving in

Bahaha. I understand that completely. So many good deals at GNC when I was there that I just wanted to buy, but had to keep telling myself no, I came here for this...
Sucks having stereotypical Jewish genes sometimes.

 

[JamesMonroe]

The fact is mostly everybody gets whey protein.

 

[JamesMonroe]

I already did....
Here it is again.... (I'll look for more soon.....)

TOO MUCH PROTEIN
Since most protein shake labels do not caution against excess use, consumers may mistakenly believe that an extra scoop or two is better than one. In fact, however, overloading the body with excess protein forces the kidneys and liver to work harder to eliminate the waste products, potentially causing or worsening disease in these organs. Despite manufacturers' claims that protein shakes are ideal for pregnant women, teenagers, exercisers and anyone too busy to cook, all of these individuals could meet their protein needs by eating a balanced diet that includes meat, fish, poultry, eggs, soy and dairy products instead of consuming protein shakes. Even athletes -- except those engaged in strenuous training -- can meet their protein needs through food, according to the 2009 position statement of the American Dietetic Association, Dietitians of Canada, and the American College of Sports Medicine on nutrition and athletic performance.

WEIGHT GAIN
Consumers should read protein shake labels carefully to determine the fat, sugar and calorie content of the product, which vary widely depending on the ingredients. Unless you need extra calories because of a medical condition or strenuous athletic training, look for products that contain at least 15 g of protein and less than 5 g each of sugar and fat, and no more than 200 calories per serving. Avoid adding high calorie ingredients to your protein powder, such as full fat milk, syrup, sugar or fruit juice when trying to lose weight. Instead, mix the powder with water, skim milk, reduced fat yogurt and sugar-free flavorings.

CONTAMINANTS
Consuming three or more protein shakes a day may cause health problems due to contaminants in the products. An investigation published in the July 2010 issue of "Consumer Reports" discovered heavy metal contaminants in at least one sample of each of 15 protein drinks. These contaminants -- arsenic, cadmium, lead, and mercury -- can have harmful effects on the body, including organ damage.