The Penis (smooth) Muscle Theory

[Iguana]

We only have a few points left.

We're still kind of stuck on this point, unless you have some new ideas: Girth is greater when semi-erect than when erect.

Here's where we left off:

Any insight on the length size during this phenomenon would take care this point and solidify our reasoning. Do you remember if it was the same, or do you know of anyone who measured in this instance?

I tried taking some measurements for this point. It's very difficult to measure true length at 70-80% erection. It definitely measures shorter.
I think this one can chalked up to reshaping of the tunica.

 

[remek]

Here's a PM I sent to Iguana of how "newbie gains" might be explained with this theory:

Newbie gains are usually:

1. Fairly quick (ranging from days to months)
2. Followed by a dramatic increase in hardness.

My guess is that newbie gains are largely a result of an increase in smooth muscle growth (causing the increase in hardness). This would make sense considering the smooth muscle is probably much easier to enlarge (actually, I'm guessing it's multiply for the smooth muscle cells) than the tunica is.

Anyway, I know we're excited about this - but let's not rush into posting this just yet. I want to put our best foot forward, and give our theory the best possible chance of success. In due time . . . they'll flock to our theory if its right regardless of whose posting or not

 

[remek]

Here's a post Iguana sent me about his experience and how it coincides with the theory:

Something interesting, when I started my decon break my BPFSL to BPEL difference was 3/8" and I had very poor EQ the entire time of my break. After about a 4 days on my new routine I was experiencing much improved EQ and even regained my losses.
When I measured my BPFSL - BPEL difference again. It was only 1/4."

Now, after 11 days, my BPFLS is starting to increase again and I am up to about 1/2" difference and.... my EQ is starting to go down again. I can't believe I am over-training. I am stretching 15 min a day, I'm up to 140 jelqs per day and wearing my PM (at the lowest tension) for 6 hours. Not quite a brutal routine. This week I will have completed 2 weeks on this routine. I think it is too stretch (tunica) oriented. Starting next week, I'm going to stop stretching and only focus on SM (jelqs, clamps, and pump.) It will be interesting to see if my EQ improves. So, I will be the first guinea pig to PE through a weak erection.

 

[remek]

I tried taking some measurements for this point. It's very difficult to measure true length at 70-80% erection. It definitely measures shorter.
I think this one can chalked up to reshaping of the tunica.

Sounds good, we'll 86 it for now.

I used to do these exercises I called "Hammerheads" which were basically a compression squeeze done at about a 70%-80% erection. They seemed to give great lateral expansion. Like the O-Bend, you feel these in the tunica much more than in the SM. His choice of exercises may be very slim but I think your last recommendation makes the most sense.

Hammerheads, eh? Can you do me a favor and do a step-by-step of the exercise?

 

[remek]

remek, would it be clearer to say the smooth muscle volume isn't sufficent to press firmly against the tunica?
If we say relaxed, it may imply there could be a biochemical problem imparing SM relaxation, like lack of nitric oxide.

Isn't it more of a SM volume issue than a lack of relaxation. I ask because I haven't had a chance to read your resource links. I may be missing something.

Yea, you're right on.

 

[remek]

Iguana, I vote we throw this one out:

- Poor flaccid hang and/or turtling

The guy I was telling you about before has a great flaccid hang (a real grower) and his BPFSL/BPEL ratio and erection strength suggests that the tunica is limiting his gains. Plus, we were already unsure about this one to begin with.

 

[remek]

Iguana: We've established that a few exercises might hit the tunica for girth (o-bends, hammerheads, etc). What about the opposite? Have any ideas for length exercises that might hit the SM? Perhaps erect stretching?

 

[Iguana]

Sounds good, we'll 86 it for now.
Hammerheads, eh? Can you do me a favor and do a step-by-step of the exercise?

This is probably not an new exercise; it was my incorrect interpretation of how to do a horse440s (they are similar.)
I started doing these early on for girth thinking I was doing a horse440 until I went back and re-read the directions.

Hammerhead Girth Exercise

1. Start with about 50-60% erection.
2. Place right hand around base and clamp off like a tourniquet.
3. Form an "OK" grip with forefinger and thumb of left hand.
4. Slide OK grip over glans with thumb and forefinger closest to body - left hand is facing opposite of right.
(If you pushed your hands together your thumbs and forefingers would touch)
(It looks like your inverted fist is hammering the your glans, hence the name)
5. Tighten OK grip and push entire penis back as if you were trying to touch both hands together.
6. Hold at maximum expansion
7. Repeat

Imagine gripping a long balloon with both hands and then pushing it together to force air into the center.
As your hands get closer together, your penis will be expand and be forced out in the middle.
When you get the technique down you can move the both hands up and down the shaft to target different areas.

CAUTION: This is an advanced exercise that creates a lot of internal pressure! Ease off if it hurts. Don't rupture anything!
Do not do this exercise if you are a newbie! You will get injured.

I hope this is clear. Please feel free to post any questions.

 

[Iguana]

Iguana, I vote we throw this one out:

The guy I was telling you about before has a great flaccid hang (a real grower) and his BPFSL/BPEL ratio and erection strength suggests that the tunica is limiting his gains. Plus, we were already unsure about this one to begin with.

I agree. This can be revisited if necessary.

 

[Iguana]

Iguana: We've established that a few exercises might hit the tunica for girth (o-bends, hammerheads, etc). What about the opposite? Have any ideas for length exercises that might hit the SM? Perhaps erect stretching?

Wow, this is a hard one. This is probably the least targeted tissue exercise of them all. I have never tried erect stretching.
Do you know of anyone who has? Flaccid stretching probably hits the SM to a degree but there has to be something that would be more effective. I was thinking maybe narrow cylinder pumping? There is still a huge debate over whether or not pumping affects the tunica or SM. Jelqing would have to have some effect. Lots of guys claim to have gained length from it.

 

[remek]

Iguana: This thread might be of interest: https://www.pegym.com/forums/general-pe/2047-lig-pop-what-does-mean.html

Particularly the 5th post, where Yeap reported an "overnight" 3/8 of an inch increase in BPFSL due to the lig pop. What do you make of it?

 

[Iguana]

This is very interesting. There was a newbie on another site that posted this about lig pops. He also claimed you could make instant gains but that it must be combined with other exercises. Maybe to cement?

The method that I was taught, in getting aggressive manual gains with popping, involved getting a firm grip on yourself, just behind the head, with a bit of toilet paper. The problem with pulling on yourself, and then giving it a little yank, is that you can get pinprick sized red dots on the head if your grip slips at all.

I use a small piece of wood with two hole drilled into it, to pass a length of 1/4 inch rope through. Then I tie it down and have a no-slip grip.

The pops are of different sizes. They are in different areas all around the circumference of the base of the penis. Sometimes it is just a little one, sometimes you can really tell that it has moved something. You can do this every 45 minutes, all day long, for weeks, and not see a measurable gain.

It must be combined with another method.

Anybody heard of 'popping' yourself - Th***er's P**ce Free Penis Enlargement Forums

I researched ligament pops pretty extensively and it was always accompanied by an injury. Mind you this was knees and elbows, etc.
There was one physician response to a guy who got a lig pop stretching his penis. He thought he had damage something. The response was:

Q:Hi I used to stretch my penis quite a bit outward and upward sometimes over the past years with no noticeable problems. However I decided to stretch it downward a bit and I heard a "pop" noise (kinda like if you were to wet your lips compress them and open them real quick). The noise completely freaked me out. I felt no pain, there was no swelling it was like nothing happened. I've heard stories of it being a ligament pop, but I've also heard that it has something to with the tunica. All I know is I am totally freaked out about it, and have been stressing over it quite a bit, to the point of depression to be honest. Which I know is not going to help the situation. I remember I use to wake up in the morning and have an erection follow me into the bathroom. Now I wake up lucky to have an erection, and if I do its gone in a few seconds. I figured I didn't do any damage since there was no pain no swelling, nothing. But I notice that certain things aren't the same anymore like waking up with an erection. I'm really scared I harmed my penis for life now, and I'm only 22!! I think I need to see a physician before I do anymore mental harm. But could you try to tell me what happened?!?! I wish I could just back in time and just prevent myself from stretching it downward, I never thought the pop would have happened. Ugh.

A: It's doubtful you did any permanent damage. The change in erection status is probably related to anxiety and worry that you might have done something. The tunica is quite strong and very difficult to tear or rip. The pop was probably a ligament just like cracking your knuckles. To be sure, contact your physician or see a urologist.

Other than the ligament tearing (which doesn't make sense since there is no pain) I can't imagine what could be happening. Is it somehow shifting?

 

[Yeap]

hey guys just thought i'd chime in.

yes my BPFSL incresed and i was extremely impressed. i measured 5 days before the lig pop happened and i measured 2 days after and the gain was there. Although the interesting thing was that my BPEL didn't seem to increase, much at if all. My EQ went down for about 2 days after the lig pop. There was no pain just a loud pop. Also i noticed with my PE routine in the days after that i could feel a real workout by the base of my penis as if things hadn't finished healing and the ligament was still unstable. My flaccid length also increased about .25in.
hope this helps

 

[remek]

This article might offer some more insight on the penis smooth muscle:

Impotence drug could offer long-term help

According to the article, several older men took Viagra every night for a year and regained their erection strength (without the drug).

My diagnosis on what happened: The men were exercising their penis smooth muscle and other vascular tissues every night, as erections are a form of PE (albeit light PE), and it slowly gave them back their erections.

 

[Iguana]

hey guys just thought i'd chime in.

yes my BPFSL incresed and i was extremely impressed....Although the interesting thing was that my BPEL didn't seem to increase, much at if all.

So your BPFSL increased, your flaccid length increased, but your BPEL didn't increase?
What about your NBEL? Did you measure it?

This is kind of perplexing. If a ligament shifted or tore, you would think some inner penis would move forward giving you a longer BPFSL AND BPEL. If your BPFSL increased your BPEL would too.

Unless, maybe you were pushing the ligament back with the ruler when you measured?

remek, any thoughts on this?

 

[Iguana]

This article might offer some more insight on the penis smooth muscle:

Impotence drug could offer long-term help

According to the article, several older men took Viagra every night for a year and regained their erection strength (without the drug).

My diagnosis on what happened: The men were exercising their penis smooth muscle and other vascular tissues every night, as erections are a form of PE (albeit light PE), and it slowly gave them back their erections.

Very interesting article. Your diagnosis makes sense.

 

[remek]

I have another idea/phenomenon that might be explained by this theory: Megalophallus. According to my research, there were two scientific journals that reported megalophallus. The last one was in 2000.

The man in the study couldn't obtain erections anymore (the majority of men who get megalophallus can't, by the way). The doctors didn't know exactly what happened, but they theorized that the tunica was stretched out. When I read this, I had my doubts. I thought that the smooth muscle had been overtrained to the extreme. But with this theory, we would probably agree with the doctors - the tunica was stretched well beyond its max.

That's why men with megalophallus can't obtain erections anymore. The gap between the tunica and SM is so large that the veins can't be shut off.

I bet if these men did some light PE to workout their SM, they would probably be able to slowly regain their erections again - and would eventually build a new career in porn.

Further insight:

• If a priapism did in fact cause the tunica to be stretched out, where does this leave our theory?
• Meaning, could there be a way to stretch the tunica out both longitudinally and circularly?
• Moreover, is this done with girth-like exercises, such as clamping (which is probably the closest thing we get to a priapism in terms of PE)?
• OR, is there really no way to simulate the holy-grail megalophallus (i.e. is it a lost cause)?

 

[papaki]

one thing is sure.PE true works...i have gained an inch 1'....come on dude do you now how a woman feals with 7.5' inside her.I CAN HEAR HER VOICES ALL TIME I GO TO HER END........

 

[papaki]

hey men.i have the answer to FL...horrizonal movement.I stop doing it from my PE program for a weak and see many differences in my FL.it begun to go smaller.now i have a very good FL about 5.5'.

 

[remek]

papaki: I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble reading your posts. Could you retype them again? Before doing so, have a look at this:https://www.pegym.com/forums/about-pegym-com/2019-grammar-policy-change.html

Also, please don't post the same exact post in two different threads.